Whoever thinks the five demons ("doves") site is a Christian site is DECEIVED. Anyone who believes it is an open forum for all to share is DOUBLY DECEIVED
At least Dave W knows those on the five demons are deceived - he just thinks that all views are allowed which shows he is deceived by the deceivers:
I am one of those notorious "lurkers" here, and I have learned a great deal reading all of your insights and the articles that you have so diligently searched out. And, John, a special thanks to you for allowing people of diverse opinions to post here, where so many other sites only allow posts that agree with their specific dogma and doctrine.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/nov2008/davew1111.htm
Dave W (11 Nov 2008)
"For your consideration..."
Greetings all,I am one of those notorious "lurkers" here, and I have learned a great deal reading all of your insights and the articles that you have so diligently searched out. And, John, a special thanks to you for allowing people of diverse opinions to post here, where so many other sites only allow posts that agree with their specific dogma and doctrine. I personally believe God must be pleased when He sees His children searching out the truth in His word as eagerly as you all do here.Now, having said that, I would like to humbly offer a word of caution. I've seen numerous letters that disclaim another's theories for no other reason than that it doesn't align with the disclaimer's beliefs and interpretation of scriptures. I see things like "it doesn't bear witness in my spirit." I see points of view that imply that the United States (of which I am a citizen) is inherently important in the end times, and any interpretation of prophetic scripture that doesn't take the U.S. into account cannot be correct. Or we disagree with another because their interpretation of a passage of scripture does not agree with our interpretation of the same passage. Fortunately, these disagreements are (usually) civil and presented courteously.Regretably, in light of such differing opinions, there is only one thing that is certain: Some of us are either in error in our interpretation of the scriptures, or we have been deceived. I think we do ourselves a grave injustice if we ever fall prey to the thought that we could not possibly be wrong, or we could not possibly have been deceived, regarding the conclusions we have reached. Satan is a master of deception, and one of his greatest tools is self-pride. If we reach a conclusion, and are convinced that God has led us to this conclusion, and thus believe that we could not possibly be mistaken, we have fallen into a trap. This belief in the certainty of our own conclusions prevents us from giving serious consideration to theories and interpretations that contradict our own "God given" revelations. And if we are the ones that have reached incorrect conclusions, we are then unknowingly blinding ourselves to the truth.I think it is a great thing to share our thoughts and suppositions regarding scripture and prophetic events, but we must never become so certain of our own position that we only search the scriptures to solidify our own personal conclusions. I was in debate in high school, and one of the most useful exercises we did was to establish our position on a topic, set up our arguments, and then switch to the other side and attempt to disprove our own arguments. In some cases it was very eye-opening when we discovered the flaws in our own reasoning, when we thought our position was "rock solid." I would encourage anyone to try it sometime if you've never done it before.A couple of questions, and then I will return to the shadows to continue learning from all of your wonderful insights:1. I don't know if Obama is the AC or not, but one reason given for him not being the AC was that only 52% of the U.S. voted for him. I was under the assumption that the AC would deceive the entire world, not just the U.S. I daresay, if you polled the citizens of the world on whether they would have voted for McCain or Obama, the percentage for Obama would have been significantly higher. Prophetic interpretation must take into consideration the entire world, not just one country (unless the scriptures being debated are in regards to Israel).2. Where does it say that it will be the covenant that will propel the AC into power? Could he not already be in power, but simply not be revealed until the covenant is brokered? That would seem to make more sense, since it is generally the people in positions of authority and power who negotiate such treaties. I'm not saying that scripture doesn't say that, but I am genuinely curious to know where it does. We must be very careful not to read more into a passage of scripture than is actually there. Finally, I want to say that it's not my intention to sow dissension here, or cast doubt on anyone's beliefs regarding end time events. But the simple fact is, we cannot all be right. I merely wish to encourage you all to continue to search and dig as you already do, but not simply to fortify your own position. Fortunately, before too terribly much longer, we will probably find out who was right after all. There is one truth that is beyond argument: Jesus is Lord, and He is returning soon. Even so, come Lord Jesus!Blessings,DaveW
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