Wednesday, January 27, 2010

False prophet Sara Reynolds - just another kook who wants to see her emails posted

Some numerologist / false prophet makes a big deal of the number 444 and so now every time some kooky female sees the number, she posts it thinking it makes her "spiritual" or something (I guess) Of course what she doesn't say is that she had to get up early in the morning (probagly 4:44) when the temp was 44 degrees and drive around the block an extra for times to get her odometer to read 444.

Gee - maybe I should post I looked at my clock and it was 4:44 (never mind the alarm was set at exactly that time)

I bet the vision they had (two people having the same vision at the same time? maybe it was drug induced?) of the "war with Damascus ended up with Damascus becoming a ruinous heap??? Of course the news is full of reports Syria is building its troops up again so the false prophets are using the news to build themselves up to make them appear to be prophets of God when a future event given in the bible 2,500 years ago comes to pass.

Isaiah 17 1 The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.

(NOTE: nowhere in the bible does it say damascus is destroyed by man / nuclear weapon - God can destroy it supernaturally or an earthquake / volcano can destroy it just as well - this area is seismically active and has numerous volcanos)

I bet the "dream" of WWIII had to do with gog-magog as well (Ezekiel chapters 38-39) or maybe to the battle of Armageddon??? I have news for the false prophets - REAL prophets beat them to their "prophecies" over 2,500 years ago.


Sara Reynolds (27 Jan 2010)
"What Kyle and I saw on the milage today."

Kyle and I saw on the milage gauge 44445 and the temp was 44 degrees outside. Kyle and I also had a vision of the coming war with Damascus. He also had a dream about WW3. And if you look at 1st Thessolonians 5:3, it's a prophectic picture of the 7 year tribulation period. There will be a false sense of peace and a false sense of safety in the first 3 1/2 years, then the Antichrist will break the peace treaty and defile the temple in Jerusalem, resulting in sudden destruction. It will bring about the 3 1/2 years of Great Tribulation. For it says:

For when they say peace and safety, then sudden destruction cometh upon them as pains as a woman with child. And they shall not escape.

We believe we are getting close.

Sara Reynolds


Confirmed false prophet John S. Lawler Sr. is making new false prophecies - and they are still being posted on five demons ("doves") web site

Remember the false prophecy by John S. Lawler Sr. for x-mass day?

( “I am bringing a disaster upon this land on Christmas day that will shake this nation to its very foundation”. He told me the same thing on 10-21-09 and so that is why I am posting this today at this time. I really believe this came from the Lord )
False prophet John S. Lawler is back at it again - making up new false prophecies. Instead of discernment and stating he is a confirmed false prophet, the five demons ("doves") continues to post more of his false prophecies. And, of course, the false prophet never apologizes or even acknowledges his false prophecies - he just continues to make new ones.

Deuteronomy 18 22 When a prophet speaks in the name of Adonai, and the prediction does not come true — that is, the word is not fulfilled — then Adonai did not speak that word. The prophet who said it spoke presumptuously; you have nothing to fear from him.

2Timothy 4 3 For the time is coming when people will not have patience for sound teaching, but will cater to their passions and gather around themselves teachers who say whatever their ears itch to hear.
2Ti 4 Yes, they will stop listening to the truth, but will turn aside to follow myths.


Virginia Arnke (27 Jan 2010)

Posts: 78 Posted: 01/23/2010 at 2:40pm


Earth Quakes Are Coming To America

The Lord had me get a pad and pen yesterday and write down the following:

1-22-10 My son during the next several days (could mean in not many days) there will be many earth quakes that will shake this nation (America). Much destruction will come and all will know that my wrath has been kindled. I have warned this nation many times in the past what I would do if this nation did not repent of their wickedness and now is the time for the price to be paid. I will not allow the sins of this nation to go unpunished and as I have judged Haiti I will judge this nation.

This prophecy may be shared with whoever you want to as long as it is kept in its full content. Your comments are also welcome as always.

John S. Lawler Sr.

False prophet Bruce Warner's INTENTIONAL deception

False prophet Bruce Warner intentionally leaves out bible verses in order to make his demonic teachings believable.

In 2 Thesselonians chapter 2, it is reassuring the Thesselonians that the rapture had not already happened yet as some people had told them it had (false prophet Bruce Warner leaves out verse 2 as well as verses 6 - 8) Verse three says the tribulation will not come until after the man of sin is revealed and verse 6 and 7 says that will be after the rapture.

In Daniel chapter 9, we know the antichrist confirms a seven year covenant and cuts off the sacrifices in the middle of the week (so obviously he was revealed at the beginning of the seven years) Putting these passages together, as well as passages that state believers are the bride of Messiah and the wedding week is seven days, we know the rapture will happen before the antichrist confirms the covenant.

2 Thessalonians 2

2Th 2:1 But in connection with the coming of our Lord Yeshua the Messiah and our gathering together to meet him, we ask you, brothers,
2Th 2:2
not to be easily shaken in your thinking or anxious because of a spirit or a spoken message or a letter supposedly from us claiming that the Day of the Lord has already come.
2Th 2:3 Don't let anyone deceive you in any way. For the Day will not come until after the Apostasy has come and the man who separates himself from Torah has been revealed, the one destined for doom.
2Th 2:4 He will oppose himself to everything that people call a god or make an object of worship; he will put himself above them all, so that he will sit in the Temple of God and proclaim that he himself is God.
2Th 2:5 Don't you remember that when I was still with you, I used to tell you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now you know what is restraining, so that he may be revealed in his own time.
2Th 2:7
For already this separating from Torah is at work secretly, but it will be secretly only until he who is restraining is out of the way.
2Th 2:8 Then the one who embodies separation from Torah will be revealed, the one whom the Lord Yeshua will slay with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the glory of his coming.

Daniel 9

Dan 9:24 "Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and for your holy city for putting an end to the transgression, for making an end of sin, for forgiving iniquity, for bringing in everlasting justice, for setting the seal on vision and prophet, and for anointing the Especially Holy Place.
Dan 9:25 Know, therefore, and discern that seven weeks [of years] will elapse between the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Yerushalayim until an anointed prince comes. It will remain built for sixty-two weeks [of years], with open spaces and moats; but these will be troubled times.
Dan 9:26 Then, after the sixty-two weeks, Mashiach will be cut off and have nothing. The people of a prince yet to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary, but his end will come with a flood, and desolations are decreed until the war is over.
Dan 9:27 He will make a strong covenant with leaders for one week [of years]. For half of the week he will put a stop to the sacrifice and the grain offering. On the wing of detestable things the desolator will come and continue until the already decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator."

Why does false prophet Bruce Warner always say "come lord jesus" when he does not believe it will appen for at least 3-1/2 more years???

Do NOT be deceived by false prophets such as Bruce Warner


Bruce Warner (27 Jan 2010)

Dear Doves,

2 Thessalonians 2:1, 3 & 4 (NKJV)
"Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you,.....
Let no one deceive you by any means; for that day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed,.......
so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God."

According to Your Word, come Lord Jesus!

Bruce Warner

Tuesday, January 26, 2010

False prophet Brenda Robinson is preparing her followers for deception

There will NOT be a false rapture. The false prophets and their demons are telling people that there will be so they have an explanation of why they were left behind when the real rapture happens. False prophet Brenda Robinson is posting lies all over the internet telling her followers that when people disappear, it is a false rapture the government is going to se to deceive people.

False prophet Brenda Robinson has no common sense and uses half truths / lies to bolster her false prophecies. She claims that the International space Station orbital decay is preparing to beam holograms around the world. The truth is, the orbital decay always happens and the ISS is boosted back to a higher altitude several times a year.

False prophet Brenda Robinson posted on her blog

I think the real rapture will most likely happen at night, or during a time
(evening?) when it would be obvious if it were a projected image, because of the projected light beam. This way there is no “show.”

So I guess it will be night all around the world at the same time???

NOTE: Like all false prophets, false prophet Brenda Robinson touts "Jesus as Savior"but nothing about obedience and accepting Him as LORD or your life. You cannot have a Savior from hell if you do not follow Him as LORD:

Matthew 7

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


Brenda Robinson (26 Jan 2010)

The Lord got me up in the middle of the night - and for the last 2 hours has painstakingly
been piecing the "dots" together for me.

1.) Remember the pictures on - strange pictures - that were portraying
a message of:

landing spaceships
atomic bombs

Made no sense I don't think to anyone then.

2.) One of the latest news articles as of yesterday evening is about the mysterious disappearance
of Angela Merkel, the PM of Germany.

3.) Today on it states:

"For imaging fine detail on the space station, now is the right time because the ISS [International Space Station] has descended to about its lowest orbital height."

Highlights and underlining placed by

4.) Warnings about possible rapture are now going out.

5.) My warning about not running underneath any blue beams and possible fake rapture.

7.) I then submitted this article for posting last night:

I absoloute believe with all my heart that this word on the web site is a

true word based on the above listed evidence.

This may well be the 6th seal in that it appears our leaders are running for cover!

The ISS would be flying low to relay the holograms of Maitreya's arrival in the sky to the chemtrails in the air and the "beaming" up of those people running after the spaceship and under the blue beams.

If this is truly the case, then the "arrival announcement" is about to be made in the sky

so that every ear will hear him in their own language. And it appears to be coming

with atomic weapons.

Please prepare as best you can. If you have not asked the Lord to save you from

your sins - accepted Him as your personal savior
- and turned your life over to Him

- please do so now. He's waiting with forgiveness and open arms. Times on the earth

are getting very serious.

Please remember that the Lord loves you very much. He WILL provide and take

care of those that belong to Him. In your deepest needs, He WILL answer you.

He WILL comfort you and He WILL never ever leave you.

Remember the Israelite children in the desert? Moses called those on the Lord's

side to one side of the camp and those on the other side disappeared in the earth in an


Make sure you stand with the Lord - He IS your safety net.

While it appears the fake rapture may be first, it cannot be long til the Lord comes for those that are His.


False prophet Jean Stepnoski - "the super bowl is a prophetic sign"

I really cannot see how people can be so deceived that they have no common sense. Anyone who thinks the super bowl is a "sign:" or a "message from God" because the colts are playing the saints in miami is demonically infested and their demons are making them look like fools to the world (as well as to bible believers)

False prophet Jean Stepnoski's demons are telling her that the Saints / colts super bowl is a prophetic sign - and she's got a fairy tale made up to prove it:


Jean Stepnoski (26 Jan 2010)
"Colts and Saints"

Dear Doves,
There is a long article at Wikipedia about horses. I wondered what the age range is for a colt, a young male horse. Did the Master ride a colt into Jerusalem? Matthew 21:2 says a donkey and a colt. Matthew 21:5 refers to "sitting on a donkey, even a colt, the foal of a donkey."Luke 19:31 says a colt. John 12:15 mentions the colt of a donkey. The age range is until 4 years of age for American horses. In England it is up to 5 years of age. The age is calculated from January 1. If we link years 4 to 5, with the Feast of Trees with the Rabbi Hillel method and the events of Gaza/Katrina, we arrive at 1-29 to 30 in 2010. This is the date mentioned by J.H. in his posting. This would also be about 9 days before the Superbowl?
The following team names are especially interesting. The Vikings are in Minnesota, where the Mississippi begins and flows downward through the Madrid seismic zone to the final major city of New Orleans, Louisiana. This is the home of the New Orleans Saints.
With the book of Revelation read as a linear narrative, early in the vision is the gathering of the SAINTS through the open door. Shortly thereafter, after other events like the opening of the 7 sealed scroll, the 4 mature HORSES, which when younger were COLTS, (at 4-5 years) ride forth onto the world. They are named the Four Horses of the Apocalypse. What are the odds that these are 3 teams with these names going into the playoffs? Are there divine messages in these symbolic names and places to consider? Chargers is also a name to describe horses. Will the Master be riding a Charger at His Second Coming rather than a Colt? The linking of these names and places is amazing, almost uncanny. The Age of Grace may be quickly drawing to conclusion. I pray the Doves will be His light and salt in these days and times. May we be daily WATCHING for The King of Kings and The Lord of Lords.

With Love and Shalom,

Monday, January 25, 2010

False prophet Calvin - too CooCoo for cocoa puffs

WOW - seeing a '70' points to the earthquake in haiti and hearing a dove coo while sitting on a mastof a boat (at the pier) signals rapture because Noah was saved by a boat???

This person needs mental help. She is so obviously deceived / mentally derranged she is a danger to society. This becomes apparent when nshe touts the well known satanist / demoniac jesse duplantis and considers him a "fellow believer" (if that is so, it proves she is following satan just like duplantis)


C.W. (25 Jan 2010)
"7.0 "THE" major warning to America!!!!!!!!!! (2 doves this AM!!!!)"


As I was walking this morning (1/23/10), after sending several posts
dealing with "444", the 7.0 quake, etc., the following occurred:

Normally, I walk down to a dock where there are many boats and
come back. On my way as I neared the dock, I KEPT HEARING
these "coo coo's" in an almost DISTRESS signal!!!
I knew that
this was a dove but couldn't find him. The dove was the ONLY bird
calling out and, as I said, it was UNUSUALLY loud and long as
in "Coo coo coo.....coo coo" and then repeated again and again!!!!

So, I walked out to the end of the dock and, coming back, I was
trying to find the dove. Finally, I looked "UP" and THERE HE WAS
ON TOP OF THE MAST OF A SAILBOAT!!! There was only one
dove calling out but the dove was with a "mate"!!!
There were two
doves perched on the HIGHEST MAST (as I perceived it) in the
boatyard near the harbor!!! A "boat" was Noah's "deliverance"!!!!

On my walk, I had also gone past a street sign which I guess I had
NEVER noticed and the number was "70" which, of course is JUST
LIKE the 7.0 quake number!!!!!!!!!!!
Of course, the 7.0 in Haiti was
JUST OFF our Eastern Shores and would be a VERY GOOD PLACE
to send a "SIGNAL"!!!!!!!!!!

Then, as I entered the complex where I live, I heard a "FLAP" as if a
large bird was "TAKING OFF"!!! I looked for the bird but then saw that
the "FLAP" came from an American Flag on a pole that had been
tangled up
. As I walked on past, it became untangled but the "FLAP"
must have been it trying to get untangled!!!!!!!!!!!!

HOW PROPHETIC, I thought, when putting it ALL TOGETHER!!!!

There were "TWO" doves but only "ONE" "cooing" a warning!!!

There will be "TWO" parts of the Body of Christ at the rapture. I believe
that the dove doing ALL the "cooing" represents those who are "alive"
and are "SEEING" all that is going on and TRYING TO WARN people
(other doves / Christians, etc.) with ALL the signs and "in" America
("THE" Babylon of the New Testament)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

...1 Thessalonians 4
...15 According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we
...who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord,
...will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.
...16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a
...loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the
...trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
...17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught
...up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the
...air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

...Jeremiah 51
...45 "Come out of her, my people!
...Run for your lives!
...Run from the fierce anger of the LORD.




C.W. (25 Jan 2010)
"Close Encounters of the God Kind (re: the loss of babies)"

Close Encounters of the God Kind (re: the loss of babies)


When I went to Mississippi recently for my mother's surgery, I stayed
for about 2 1/2 weeks and, while there (last week), I was in a sporting
goods store and one of the sales people there had, just recently, lost
triplets in birth. I'm on the mailing list of a church that had let me know
about this but I didn't know the sales person was the father of those
triplets until I was introduced to him.

After learning about that this young man was the father of the triplets,
I told him I would send him Jesse Duplantis' testimony to he and his
wife because it tells of what happens to babies that are lost through
miscarriage. Actually, these babies were old enough to be "born"
and they had held the little babies in their hands before they died so
you KNOW that they were VERY affected!!!!!!!!

Jesse Duplantis speaks about the first time that he shared his trip
to heaven with his family, his wife, Kathy, and, Deborah, his wife's
sister, were there.
Deborah had actually interrupted Jesse by relating
a dream that she had had just recently about sitting in heaven with
her "4" children. She thought she had missed God (in the dream)
because she only had "3" children (on earth). Jesse, after his "trip"
to heaven, told Deborah, "No, you have 4 children, you lost a baby remember?" Jesse told her, "What you dreamed is true, you've
got 4 kids, that other one's waiting for you!"

[URL removed - satanic]

Jesse had seen MANY babies in heaven, Deborah BURST OUT CRYING!!!
Jesse says that Deborah was SO BLESSED AND TOUCHED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




False prophet "JH" - When the numbers don't add up, just manipulate them enough so they do

If you cannot see the manipulation, deception, and demonic lies by false prophet "JH", then you are as lost as s/he is.

Anyone who believes the garbage spewed by false prophet "JH" is from God is as willfully deceived as s/he is.

Apparently false prophet "JH" is into astrology as well as numerology - two favorite satanic practices loved by the five demons ("doves") web site owner and all their deceived readers.


JH (25 Jan 2010)

UPDATE: Know that Kislev 24 is Creation Day and Tevet 1 is the 8th Day Creation and Jesus' conception was on the 8th Day Creation since His Birth was perfect/immaculate/sinless/perfect 8, just as Creation was. The 8th Day Creation was Tevet 1 because +280 gestation is Succoth, Tish, 15, His Birth. His Conception fulfilled the 8th Feast (our Hanukkah) & was never commanded to observe.

Sat. Kislev 24 and Dec. 24 COINCIDE on the calendar in 2016 (rare). In Haggai 2 God specified the date of earth's unmatched calamity THREE times as KISLEV 24 (His probable Return when the FOOT touches down on the Mt. Olives - Zech. 14:4).

Mid trib is Tues. Av 9, 2013 when A.C. 'rises' indwelt by Satan AND is on Cancer 24 (11th mth, day 888 = 'anger' of the Lamb/i.e. Great Trib). Temple Sacrifices are stopped and A.C. sets image of self in Temple three days before on Sat, July 13.

Beginning of the 2520 is Shevat 15 (11th mth = judgmnt, 15 is balance thereof) and the END of the trib (2520 minus 23, plus 30 plus 45) is Shevat 15 as well. It is also Pisces 15 and Feb. 15 because all will be in sync. Shev 15. '10 to Shev 15, '17 is 7 perfect Jewish yrs.

At the Return earth straightens from Sat. Kis. 24 back to Kislev 1, then plus the 30 mourning is Tevet 1, Sat, the 8th Day Creation (when count began/Jesus' concep anniv), because +280 is Succoth. Tevet 1, 2016 is also Aquarius 1 ('Age of....'). The scenario is Saturdays all across the board as well.

On THIS side of the Trib, Jan 30 is 23 past Jan. 7 (the Gk Ortho Christmas) AND the actual Dec. 24 since 13 days were added to the calendar by the Pope in 1500's.
Since the earth will ultimately 'lose' these 23 days (Jan 30 back to Jan 7), then the true start of the trib can be seen as beginning Jan. 7 (which is really Dec. 24, '09).

God commanded us to KNOW the generation of the end and it is obvious that 40 years is a 'Biblical Generation' because SO MANY things happened in the Bible after 40's (or 400's, or 4000's or multiples thereof).

The count for the last and most significant FORTY began on the year ONE after the reclamation of Jerusalem in 1967.....but the COUNT actually begins at the Creation anniv date of Kislev 24 (or Dec. 24), 1968. Now add 40 yrs to arrive at Dec. 24 (Kis 24) 2008. Add your 1-yr warn/prep (Jerem. 51:46 - as per Abr, Hana, Eliz, Nebuch, Esther) to arrive at Dec. 24, 2009 which is OUR JAN 7, 2010.
Now, do the math with the plus 23 to arrive at Jan 30, 2010 which will ultimately be subtracted.

When Kislev 24/Dec. 24, 2016 is reached, subtract the 15 uncounted yrs to arrive at Kislev 24, 2001/6001, the exact start of the Milennium. I'll review that again:

7-yr trib, Satan's yrs, H.S. gone
4 yrs, the 3.5-yr ministry of Jesus, but half yrs never counted, thus 4
2 yrs, Creation + 1 yr then the Fall, then 1 year to start on year ONE
for the promised 120 Jub count (6000 yrs)
1 yr, Jesus' birth to age ONE, since mths never counted
1-yr warning, Kis 24 2008 to Kis 24, 2009

Sure looks like Sat, the 30th.......................J.H.


Steve Coerper & Barry Amundsen - the Super Bowl false prophets


Now the deceived false prophets are making ridiculous prophecies based on who is playing in the super bowl. This is ***NOT*** From God. This is DEMONIC and is from satan - the ENEMY of God.


Steve Coerper (23 Jan 2010)
"To American Football Fans --- Watch For Penalties"

The above video shows the "pentagram" inscribed over the U.S. by various disasters and incidents in the recent past. As noted previously, the missing points are in the Gulf of Mexico and the city of Miami ... the location of the Super Bowl game that is scheduled for Feb 7th.

Super Bowl #44, by the way.

I would submit that the imagery would be more "complete" if the game were between the New York Jets and the New Orleans Saints. That decision will be made (or perhaps displayed) this weekend.

I doubt that the players could be bought off ... though I don't know. But the outcomes of the games can certainly be managed by the officials, who just "happen" to nullify key plays with penalties in order to shepherd the desired teams to the winner's circle.

So watch the games with prophetic eyes. I think something MAJOR could be in the works regarding Miami. As pointed out by David Ayoub:

Helter-skelter in a summer swelter, the birds flew off with a fall out shelter,

eight miles high and falling fast, it landed foul on the grass

The players tried for a forward pass ( football ) with the jester on the
sidelines in a cast.

Now the half-time air was sweet perfume, while
sergeants played a marching tune

We all got up to dance but we never got
the chance, cause the players tried to take the field

the marching band
refused to yield. Do you recall what was revealed, the day the music died?
We started singing;

Bye bye miss American Pie, drove my Chevy to the levy but the levy was dry, and good old boys were drinking whiskey and Rye singing THIS WILL BE THE DAY THAT I DIE!

Cheers! Jesus is coming soon ...


Raleigh, North-Carolina
Anakypto Forum on BlogTalkRadio


Barry Amundsen (25 Jan 2010)
"Steve Coerper: Football, American Pie, Pentagram, WOW!"


Wow! What an interesting post!

I agree that the "American Pie" thing is very compelling indeed. Also I have been convinced that football is most likely controlled like everything else. How does a team like the Chargers win so many games in a row and then play that badly? How does the best kicker in the NFL's history miss three field goals in one game, one just a 36 yarder and he wasn't even close? And as you pointed out how is it that every big play in San Diego's favor was called back by what the radio announcers called "ticky-tack" penalties, even against players who are never penalized like Malcolm Floyd, and against a player who was nowhere near the ball or effecting the play at all etc. Way too much control there to not be used for their plan if there is one. Also the way the Colts lost so that the Jets could get in at all...

I just am amazed that you bring this up because I could not talk about it because everyone would most likely say I was paranoid or crying sour grapes because I'm a Charger fan etc. But the point could certainly be made and I'm glad you did it. Then to link it to that song which I had completely forgotten about... Really brings my fishy meter way up there, ya know? I think you are right, we need to watch this game between the Colts and Jets very carefully. Then also the Super Bowl itself being in Miami where that pentagram remains to be completed... Wow! Thank you Steve Coerper for being so observant and alert and for alerting the rest of us. I am so grateful for you and the Doves all of you! As for that song, I cannot hear it now without it giving me a bad feeling because of that guy's explanations of what it really means. I shudder...

Oh, Jesus save us!

Barry Amundsen

False prophet Bruce Warner: Typical false prophet tactics

False prophet Bruce Warner shows a prime example of false prophet tactics: Throw out scripture and then give a unbiblical conclusion.

First false prophet Bruce Warner gives some scripture about the middle of the tribulation and then makes the unbiblical claim the rapture will occur right before those events.

The bible is clear the bride will be hidden away for her wedding WEEK - not half week.

Also false prophet Bruce Warner calls the seven year tribulation "the covenant with many" --- his attempt of trying to show the tribulation s only the last half of the tribulation in order to explain, in advance, of why he and the rest of the false prophets at the five demons ("doves") web site will be left behind when the real rapture ocvcurs at the beginning of the seven year tribulation (they will call the real rapture "project bluebeam" or some government test)

Scripture says the tribulation will be like no other. It never states there is "ONLY 'ONE TRIBULATION' WORTH CONSIDERING AS IMPORTANT" as false prophet Bruce Warner claims. I, for one, consider the Holocaust as being a very important tribulation - not only for the millions of people killed but for shaping the world so bible prophecy can come to pass

Genesis 29
26Laban said, "It is not so done in our country, to give the younger before the firstborn. 27 Complete the week of this one, and we will give you the other also in return for serving me another seven years." 28Jacob did so, and completed her week. Then Laban gave him his daughter Rachel to be his wife.

Judges 14
10 Now his father went down to see the woman. And Samson made a feast there, as was customary for bridegrooms. 11 When he appeared, he was given thirty companions.

12 "Let me tell you a riddle," Samson said to them. "If you can give me the answer within the seven days of the feast, I will give you thirty linen garments and thirty sets of clothes. 13 If you can't tell me the answer, you must give me thirty linen garments and thirty sets of clothes."
"Tell us your riddle," they said. "Let's hear it."

14 He replied,
"Out of the eater, something to eat;
out of the strong, something sweet."
For three days they could not give the answer.

15 On the fourth [a] day, they said to Samson's wife, "Coax your husband into explaining the riddle for us, or we will burn you and your father's household to death. Did you invite us here to rob us?"

16 Then Samson's wife threw herself on him, sobbing, "You hate me! You don't really love me. You've given my people a riddle, but you haven't told me the answer."
"I haven't even explained it to my father or mother," he replied, "so why should I explain it to you?"
17 She cried the whole seven days of the feast. So on the seventh day he finally told her, because she continued to press him. She in turn explained the riddle to her people.

18 Before sunset on the seventh day the men of the town said to him,
"What is sweeter than honey?
What is stronger than a lion?"
Samson said to them,
"If you had not plowed with my heifer,
you would not have solved my riddle."

Matthew 22
2"The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son.

Matthew 25
The Parable of the Ten Virgins
1"Then the kingdom of heaven will be like(A) ten virgins who took their lamps[a] and went to meet(B) the bridegroom.[b] 2Five of them were foolish, and five were(C) wise. 3For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them, 4but the wise took flasks of oil with their lamps. 5As the bridegroom(D) was delayed, they all became drowsy and slept. 6But(E) at midnight there was a cry, 'Here is the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.' 7Then all those virgins rose and(F) trimmed their lamps. 8And the foolish said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.' 9But the wise answered, saying, 'Since there will not be enough for us and for you, go rather to the dealers and buy for yourselves.' 10And while they were going to buy, the bridegroom came, and(G) those who were ready went in with him to(H) the marriage feast, and(I) the door was shut. 11Afterward the other virgins came also, saying,(J) 'Lord, lord, open to us.' 12(K) But he answered, 'Truly, I say to you,(L) I do not know you.' 13(M) Watch therefore, for you(N) know neither the day nor the hour.

Joel 2
16Gather the people, sanctify the congregation,
Assemble the elders,
Gather the children and the nursing infants
Let the bridegroom come out of his room
And the bride out of her bridal chamber.


Bruce Warner (25 Jan 2010)

Dear Doves,

Scripture tells us that there is ONLY ONE significant time of tribulation, "such has not been since the beginning of the world until this time."

Scripture tells us that there will NEVER BE ANOTHER significant time of tribulation like it, "no, nor ever shall be."

Scripture tells us exactly when THE TRIBULATION begins, "For then there will be great tribulation."

Scripture tells us that THE TRIBULATION will begin, 'when the anti-Christ is seen desecrating the third temple' in the middle of the 'covenant with many' according to the Prophet Daniel.

Matthew 24: 15 & 21
"Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place....For then there will be great tribulation, such has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be."

'The Church' will be raptured to Heaven just prior to this event occurring.

According to Your Word, come Lord Jesus!

Bruce Warner


Saturday, January 23, 2010

False prophet Kevin Heckle claims everyone else is wrong and he is right - even though his beliefs contradict scripture

Egomaniac / narcissist false prophet Kevin Heckle claims everyone elses teachings on salvation is wrong but his is right. The narcissistic idiot claims everyone has been taught wrongly and he is the only one with the correct interpretation of salvation.

The biblical truth s that once saved qalways saved (calvinism) is WRONG and so is arminianism (one must work for their salvation) Both are demonic lies that have some elements of truth (all believable lies have elements of truth) and most who claim to be Christians are either in one of the two camps even though neither is scriptural truth.

Most Christians want a Savior (from hell) but FEW want to follow Messiah Yeshua (Jesus) as LORD because, as the word implies, means OBEDIENCE.

It is correct nobody can take your salvation from you - but you can freely walkaway from it. It is correct you cannot earn your salvation - but if you refuse to obey, it means you never really wanted it and that you are just using Messiah Yeshua to try and escape hell.

If Yeshua (Jesus) is your Lord AND Savior (Messiah) then you will obey Him. If you refuse to obey, He will reject you. Nit ehtat the people in this passage thought they were saved and doing works for Messiah Yeshua but they were rejected because they did not obey God and His Torah (lawless means not obeying the Law) :

Matthew 7

21 Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

22 Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'

23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

Notice false prophet Kevin Heckle is twisting the clear meaning of the soils parable to make it say what he wants it to say. The seed that was sown in thorny ground grew for a time before it was choked off - false prophet Kevin Heckle claims it never grew and was never a plant!

Hebrews 6

4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,

5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,

6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.

If you claim "Jesus is Lord" but He is NOT the LORD of your life (IE: you are not obeying Him and His law) then you may be mouthing the words but you are not believing what you are saying.

False prophet Kevin Heckle is extremely dangerous and is leading people down the broad road to hell. His lies may sound truthful - but they are lies from demons. Red scripture for yourself and ask God to reveal His truth to you. One must obey God otherwise they are in rebellion and will not be accepted


Kevin Heckle (21 Jan 2010)
"Salvation: OSAS? Who is saved to begin with?"



There have been some posts regarding Once Saved Always Saved. This is not a subject that should be controversial nor should the truth of the matter be censored. Folks get taught things a certain way and usually that is the way that sticks with them, even if it’s wrong. Our Salvation (being saved) is no light thing, nor is it a subject for debate. The true Christian should ‘speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority’ any Salvation paradigm that is contrary to the truth. The opposite of the truth is a lie and should be exposed as such. Before addressing the OSAS issue, I believe it is necessary to explore Salvation first. Who is saved?

Jesus gave His life so that ANY person could be redeemed. God requires us to be perfect and we can only be perfect because of Christ’s work on the Cross. He paid the ransom for ALL of our iniquities past, present and future (for ALL have sinned). We had no part in paying that ransom and still have no part in paying that ransom. The payment was made in full when Jesus said, IT IS FINISHED. Our works, our sacrifices and our actions have no weight and are infinitely worthless without the redeeming work of Christ on the Cross. Our faith would also be in vain had He not risen from the grave. Make no mistake, Jesus is our sole source, in all that exists, for our redemption, righteousness and salvation (deliverance).

When a person is confronted with the Gospel, there are a few different things that can happen; if I may borrow the parable of the sower by Jesus, the seed (Word of the Gospel) is sewn for the ears of people to hear:

· Some seeds fall by the wayside – these people hear the Gospel but it goes in one ear and out the other rejecting salvation outright. This person is not saved and will be among the UNKNOWN by the Lord, blotted out of the Book of Life.

· Some seeds fall on stony ground, which is the person’s mind who hears the Gospel and acknowledges its truth intellectually with joy for a while, but are ultimately not willing to accept what they perceive is its consequences. When confronted with possible or actual tribulation or persecution, the truth has no root in that person’s heart of hearts and they forsake the notion. Jesus knocked on the door. They liked what they saw through the peep-hole and put their ear to the door listening to His muffled Word maybe even for a lifetime, but never let Him in. Jesus will say to that person: I NEVER KNEW YOU. Like one of the criminals being crucified with Jesus they would say, ‘IF thou be the Christ, SAVE thyself and us’. His belief in Jesus was contingent upon his removal from the reality of his punishment. How many are hoping Christ will save them from the reality of hell, but not willing to completely surrender their fate to Jesus, calling Him Lord, yet He will NEVER have known them?

· Some seeds grow among the thorns similar to the stony ground, a vine choked by the cares of this world, not producing any fruit. This person hears the Gospel but is incapable of producing fruit. He or she is not necessarily facing tribulation or persecution, but is a withered vine with no evidence of being a fruit producer. Like the rich young ruler who was persuaded by Jesus to sell his possessions, give the proceeds to the poor and follow Him; he can conceive and entertain the idea for a time, maybe even for a lifetime, but ultimately makes the choice NOT to follow Jesus under those conditions. This is again a person that was NEVER surrendered to Christ. Jesus NEVER knew them.

· Finally, some seeds fall on good ground. This person hears the Gospel, believes in his/her heart of hearts (FAITH) and confesses with their mouth (ACTION upon that faith) that Jesus is LORD. This person produces fruit, which is the EVIDENCE of their FAITH not the COST of CONTINUING THEIR SALVATION. Those who cite ‘faith without works is dead’ assume the WORKS are the COST of CONTINUING SALVATION. IT IS NOT! WORKS (action upon ones faith) is the EVIDENCE of TRUE SALVATION! That other malefactor being crucified with Jesus confessed with his mouth (his action) that Jesus is Lord and believed in Jesus’ righteousness in his heart (faith) when he said, ‘remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom’. The fruits of his words have yielded countless souls seeing the truth of his predicament and the evidence of his faith. ‘TODAY shalt thou be with ME in paradise’ Jesus proclaimed!


Romans 10:9-10 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Titus 2:13-15 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

In Christ,

Kevin Heckle


Sunday, January 17, 2010

I guess there are no Christians in Seattle, Honolulu, Phoenix, Vancouver, Australia, or South Africa

According to the wacky world of false prophet Bruce Turner, the snow in PARTS of the world is a "sign from God" :
"the cold and Snow has covered the earth. The earth is dressed in white, this is God's Sign. He has decorated the earth in White for His Bride, and His wedding."
I sometimes wonder if these fruitcake false prophets escaped from a funny farm. While many parts of the world have snow, the west coast of the united states does not - nor does Homolulu, HI, the SW united states, or south Africa or Australia (the last two, it's their summer right now) So if snow is a "sign from God". does it mean there are no Christians in the places there is no snow? does it mean it is only a sign for some??? I wonder if these idiot false prophets are embarrased with their stupidity.


Bruce Turner (7 Jan 2010)
"My Vision of The Rapture this Morning - He is Coming !"

I woke up a little before 3 AM this morning and prayed until now. I had a vision that the Rapture is fixing to occur. I looked at the headlines on the Drudge Reports, and the cold and Snow has covered the earth. The earth is dressed in white, this is God's Sign. He has decorated the earth in White for His Bride, and His wedding. In my vision I saw a bright light shinning in the Heavens on the Glory and Majesty of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. He is coming to take His Bride. Get ready!

REVELATION 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

REVELATION 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

REVELATION 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

REVELATION 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

ISAIAH 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

MATTHEW 17:2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.

JOHN 4:35 Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest.

REVELATION 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

REVELATION 22:21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

Your Brother in Christ,



False prophet Rebecca *FEELS* her false prophecies are "from the Lord"

It is absolutely unbelievable what the false prophets are allowed to post on the five demons ("doves") web site and nobody has any discernment to see how it is unbiblical.

False prophet Rebecca claims "God told her something" but did not explain it to her so she assumed it had something to book of Ruth and counted the number the book is in her bible (8) and used that to make up some sort of [false] prophecy.

In the Tanach (Jewish "Old Testament"), the books are in a completely different order and Ruth is placed near the end of the Tanach (and some books are divided differently and chapters numbered differently) so even if there was a biblical reason to count the book number and use numerology to make up a prophecy (there isn't - it is forbidden by God) you would need to understand books, chapters, and numbering are differentin different bible versions and would need to figure out which one was "ordained by God" (they are not - it is simply a human system to find different passages)

I have heard clearly from God threee times in my life - there is absolutely NO mistake when you hear from Him and there is absolutely NO doubt what He says will come to pass. "Feeling" something is from God has NOTHING to do with it.

Also note false prophet Rebecca does not say the "calm male voice" is God --- it could have very well have been satan deceiving her or she is intentionally making people assume it was God that spoke to her.

If the Holy Spirit (FYI - there are many demons that people in the new age movement channel that call themselves "holy spirit") was going to reveal the rapture date to this false prophet, He would not have her count the number of the book of Ruth (which varies depending on the bible version) - He would have clearly told her when the raptre would be (and we know we are instructed to 'Keep Watch' because we do not - and will not - know the exact day of Messiah Yeshua's (Jesus) return so we KNOW the Holy Spirit would not communicate this to us)

As for seeing a "bright morning star" in december - venus the planet appears in the morning tis time of year:
Venus, the dazzling morning or evening star, outshines all the other stars and planets in the night sky. It begins the year in the evening sky, well up in the west as darkness begins to fall. It will disappear from view in late March as it passes between Earth and the Sun. It will return to view as a “morning star” by early April, and remain in the morning sky until December.


Rebecca (17 Jan 2010)
"My "revelations" I feel are from the Lord."

Around May/June 2009 I asked God to show me something that would happen before the Rapture, if there would be any warning or event. A few weeks later I was taking a nap and had a dream where I was looking at the United States from up in the air and saw the lights go out across the nation.

Around May/June, I was sleeping and I woke up and just laid there. I heard a calm male voice say “After the second moon”. I was assuming that the Rapture would happen in 2009. After Hanukah passed I realized that maybe the voice was referring to December, the month that has two moons.

One day in July I was reading an article online about Ruth being a gentile bride and Boaz being a type of Christ. I thought to myself let me go read the book of Ruth and see if it might give some clues relating to the Rapture. I felt prompted by the Holy Spirit to count which book of the Bible Ruth is.
I thought that won’t show me anything but I will count it anyway. Ruth is the 8th book and there are 4 chapters. At the time I thought maybe God was showing me the Rapture might be August 4th or someday in August. But it wasn’t and I have been trying to see where it might line up ever since. Just recently I realized that from July to February is 8 months.

1) July

2) August

3) September

4) October

5) November

6) December

7) January

8) February And February 4th could be the last day we are on earth before the Rapture after midnight on 2/5 Sh’vat 21

In December, I was talking to God and asked how much longer do we have to wait for the Rapture. I thought you told me to leave Florida and move back with my parents so I could help them but also because the Rapture was going to happen soon. I opened my Bible and it opened to 2 Peter 3:9 and I read the verse God is waiting so more people have time to be saved. I then said, how much longer? Do we have to wait until Pentecost? How much more time are you going to give these sinful people. They are not going to change unless some type of disaster comes and wakes them up. I then looked down at my bed and there was a booklet with Rev. 10/7 on it. I immediately thought Revelation 10:7. I thought I can read it for the heck of it and see what it says. It says “But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.” I was like well that doesn’t answer the question of when it will take place. My eyes then caught the verse right above it and it says “God will wait no longer”. Most Bibles say there will be no more delay.

I wasn’t sure if this was just a coincidence or not. I wrote these verses down on two pieces of paper, one for my Bible and one for my night stand. I stuck one of them randomly in my Bible. About a week or so later I wanted to email my friend and tell her what happened. But I couldn’t remember the exact verse of Peter so I went to look for it in my Bible, I couldn’t find even though I looked thoroughly for it. The next day I was reading some posts at Rita and Ales was talking about Nehemiah and a possible Rapture clue. So I decided to go read Nehemiah. The piece of paper that I was looking for the night before was in the first page of Nehemiah and the first words I saw and read was the heading in bold lettering that said “Nehemiah begs to go home”. (which is what I have been doing for the last year)

About a week later I stuck the other piece of paper in my Bible also. I was not trying to stick it anywhere special. A couple days later I was reading a post from Joseph Blackmon about Luke and decided to go read Luke 11. I jokingly said to myself watch the other piece of paper will be here. I opened my Bible to Luke 11 and it was right there. I had highlighted Luke 11:9-12 in the past and this it what it says.

“So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 10For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.

11“Which of you fathers, if your son asks for a fish, will give him a snake instead? 12Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? 13If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”

The morning of December 11, 2009 I was in a deep sleep and all of a sudden woke up. I looked at the clock and it was 5:59AM. The head of my bed is right by my window so I immediately looked out the window and looked towards the sky. I couldn't see that well because my eyes were groggy. But what I saw was a very bright star or what I assumed was a star because all I saw was brightness. I decided to put my glasses on to see clearer. My vision is not that bad, but faces are blurry across the room without them. So I put my glasses on to see if I could get a better look. I was like wow that star is so bright. I couldn’t keep looking at it because it hurt my eyes, so I just went back to sleep thinking wow what a bright star. It didn't even register to me at that point that a regular star wouldn't cause that.

Well, that day I was wondering what star I seen that was so bright that it bothered my eyes to look at it. Before I went to bed that night, I set my alarm to wake me up at the same time so I could look at the star again. As you know, if a star is there the morning before it will be in the same spot again the next morning at the same time. Well, there isn't a star in the sky were I look at from my window.

I then realized that Jesus is the "Bright Morning Star" but didn’t know where in the Bible it says that so I searched the Internet and found the verse.

Rev 22:16 (NIV) "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."

The next verse, Rev 22:17 says “The Spirit and the bride say, Come”

At first I thought the Lord showed me this to say he is coming in December, but I think he was saying I am not coming in December, but I am coming before Pentecost like I told you.

Time will tell.


Thursday, January 14, 2010

The five (hundred) Fruitcakes

WOW - God has certainly given all of the false prophets on the five demons (doves) web site over to a very strong delusion. There is so much, I cannot repost all of their posts and comment on each one of them so I will just make posts and let you go (with much discernment and prayer) to check it out for yourselves that these demon possessed fools are actually posting what they do. One thing is certain - when the rapture occurs, most who are allowed to post on the five demons (doves) web site will be left behind. They will deny the rapture occured (if they even notice) because they are still here. They are demon possessed false prophets who are deceiving people.

II Tim 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

There are many false teachings that are now commonly accepted on the site that are against what God says:

1) obama's 1/2 hour infomercial on october 29, 2008 was the "confirming of the covenant" by antichrist --- prophecy in Daniel 9 --- which "proves" obama is the antichrist (never mind he is not assyrian and does not fulfill many of the antichrist prophecies in scripture)

2) We are now in the seven year tribulation which will end in 2015 - it supposedly started during obama's 1/2 hour infomercial in 2008

Daniel 9

Dan 9:24 "Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and for your holy city for putting an end to the transgression, for making an end of sin, for forgiving iniquity, for bringing in everlasting justice, for setting the seal on vision and prophet, and for anointing the Especially Holy Place.
Dan 9:25 Know, therefore, and discern that seven weeks [of years] will elapse between the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Yerushalayim until an anointed prince comes. It will remain built for sixty-two weeks [of years], with open spaces and moats; but these will be troubled times.
Dan 9:26 Then, after the sixty-two weeks, Mashiach will be cut off and have nothing. The people of a prince yet to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary, but his end will come with a flood, and desolations are decreed until the war is over.
Dan 9:27 He will make a strong covenant with leaders for one week [of years]. For half of the week he will put a stop to the sacrifice and the grain offering. On the wing of detestable things the desolator will come and continue until the already decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator."

2 Thesselonians

2Th 2:1 But in connection with the coming of our Lord Yeshua the Messiah and our gathering together to meet him, we ask you, brothers,
2Th 2:2 not to be easily shaken in your thinking or anxious because of a spirit or a spoken message or a letter supposedly from us claiming that the Day of the Lord has already come.
2Th 2:3 Don't let anyone deceive you in any way. For the Day will not come until after the Apostasy has come and the man who separates himself from Torah has been revealed, the one destined for doom.
2Th 2:4 He will oppose himself to everything that people call a god or make an object of worship; he will put himself above them all, so that he will sit in the Temple of God and proclaim that he himself is God.
2Th 2:5 Don't you remember that when I was still with you, I used to tell you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now you know what is restraining, so that he may be revealed in his own time.
2Th 2:7 For already this separating from Torah is at work secretly, but it will be secretly only until he who is restraining is out of the way.
2Th 2:8 Then the one who embodies separation from Torah will be revealed, the one whom the Lord Yeshua will slay with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the glory of his coming.

Antichrist will be a secret until the rapture (restrainer take out of the way) - and if he reveals himself at the signing of the covenant, then obviously the rapture happens first. Since the rapture did not happen yet, obama has not confirmed any covenant with anyone nor is he confirmed to be the antichrist.

3) numerology is now acceptable to God

4) astrology is now acceptable to God

5) God speaks to people using license plate numbers, knocking sounds, etc. - but it is not clear what He is trying to communicate

6) gematria of sun spot numbers leads to prophecies in scripture

Deuteronomy 18:10-12 "There shall not be found among you anyone who uses divination or who practices witchcraft or one who interprets omens or is a sorcerer or who casts a spell or is a medium or a spiritist or who calls up the dead. For whosoever does these things is detestable to the Lord."

7) the seven year tribulation is found nowhere in the bible (contradicts #1 and 2)

8) the rapture is not pre tribulation because it has not happened yet and everyone "knows" obama is the antichrist and the tribulation started when he gave his infomercial on october 29, 2008 (oh, wait - we are not suppose to believe in the seven year tribulation any longer)

# 7 and 8 denies the wedding week found throughout scripture is forshadowing the wedding week of the bride of Messiah - found in Genesis 29:27 (wedding week , bride, and then seven years) and all of Joel 2 (which speaks of the bride and bridegroom in heaven during the tribulation)