I cannot believe the pure blasphemy that is allowed on the five demons ("doves") web site and nobody saying anything about it. Messiah Yeshua said He did NOT know the day or the hour of the rapture and the demon infested false prophets call Him a liar (and uses it to justify the statement that we can know the day or the hour - yet if that were true, why have there been hundreds of failed rapture dates predicted - including the last couple of months - and why is their disagreement among the false prophets on what day they are predicting the rapture to happen this month???)
Matthew 24
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Obviously this is not about the end of the world as false prophet Dave Camp emphatically states:
Mark 13
32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.
34 For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.
Messiah Yeshua said He did not know the time (day or hour) of His return while He was on earth. This does not mean when He returned to heaven that He still does not know as false prophet Dave Camp seems to think everyone believes (some do, some do not)
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/davec1212.htm
Dave Camp (12 Dec 2008)
"Re: Tom Heinitz - Re: Dave Camp--No One Knows--But What"
Re: Tom Heinitz - Re: Dave Camp--No One Knows--But WhatTom-Thanks for responding to the post!Alas - so far, you're the only one who has. I have posted many times at 5D over the years, where my topics have been controversial, or go against standard Christian Doctrine. Usually my posts are ignored without comment by anyone. I must say the ones that DO get the comments are those that support current Rapture Doctrine, as put forth by Darby (originally) and then propagated by Scofield, Hal Lindsey, and all the Rapture movies and books. But Rapture-related posts that I've written that go AGAINST standard, "boilerplate" Rapture Doctrine are usually ignored. And yet, I often make my arguments from the Scriptures - but no one seems to care what God's Word says anymore. How sad.What is sadder still is the lack of response to my last post; one would THINK, if you could make a very convincing argument AGAINST a "Doctrine of Men" - ie, that no one knows the time of Jesus' Return, not even HE HIMSELF - that folks would be ENCOURAGED by it to "search the Scriptures" to look for evidence of the timing of His return. Again, how sad.After all, if Jesus is God, and God knows all things, how is it that Jesus does NOT? Shouldn't this ALONE be sufficient evidence to REJECT the idea that even JESUS HIMSELF doesn't KNOW "the Day or the Hour," as we've been commonly MIStaught for so many years?
One needs only to meditate upon the above to see that our understanding of the verb "to know" is AN INTERPRETATION, and thus N-O-T "fact." But since it doesn't SEEM so to the untransformed mind, my argument falls on deaf ears.----------------------------------
That said, I was encouraged to read that you had reached essentially the same conclusion on a related topic: that Jesus' comment about what the Son of Man doesn't "know" is related NOT to the Second Coming or the Rapture, but to the End of the World, when the new Heavens and Earth are created! And of course, since the GREATER context of His discourse was His Return, it is EASY to see how taking His comment OUT OF ITS IMMEDIATE CONTEXT makes it "seem" that He was talking about His Return, does it not?BTW, Tom - here's the post you were looking for:Re: J. Grenough--Cheshvan 17 & 2 Peter 3: 3-10, Connectionhttp://www.fivedoves.com/letters/nov2008/tomh117.htmAnd for anyone else who's reading this and is interested, here is my original post:No One Knows--But WHAT?http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/davec121.htm- and here is Tom's response to it:Re: Dave Camp--No One Knows--But Whathttp://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/tomh125.htm-Dave
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