Thursday, December 18, 2008

false prophet Patty Hayes teaches you can do anything you want and still be "saved" - brings in strawman arguments

for one thing, neither armenianism nor calvanism is scriptural. They are strawman arguments that lead people into believing they have to accept one or the other when neither is truth. Typical of false prophets and teachers - they give you two choices to choose between and neither of them is Truth.

No, nobody can pluck you away from G-d's hand - but He gives the freedom of choice of whether you obey Him or not. You can walk away from your salvation.

Messiah yeshua said He will reject most who claim to be His because they do not obey G-d (ie: Torah) :

Matthew 7
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


In Ancient Israel it was not enough to have the sin sacrifice - if you disobeyed G-d, you were punished. The above passage shows that most who claim to follow Messiah Yeshua are not His even though they think they are. false prophet Patty Hayes claims you can sin all you want and are eternally secure and will go to heaven if you accept Yeshua as Savior (no mention of Him being the L-rd of your life which infers obedience) eternal security is a doctrine of demons for it says you do not have to obey G-d and can continue sinning (including being a false prophet)

II Tim 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/pattyh1218-2.htm
Patty Hayes (18 Dec 2008) "Eternal Security"
Dear Bruce, This passage has long be discussed, mulled over by Theologians, and I might add, that when you pull a verse out of its setting to develop a theology, and also not put it alongside of all of Scripture and its counsel, then you are violating the rule of Hermenuetics. This is what our early Apostle's established in the rule of teaching doctrine of Scripture. The Ephesian passage "we are sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of Redemption, "no one can pluck you out of my Father's hand..and so much more are contrary to the teaching by the Armenian "losing one's salvation." There is much is Scripture that refudiates the position of losing one's salvation. I came from the Mennonite background that had the Armenian position of teaching "losing one's salvation". I studied this for about a year and learned that Scripture does indeed teach eternal security, responsible Christian living as it teaches about sanctification. Once we get into a works system, which is contrary to scripture in Philippians, "for we are saved by grace, not by works", you lose the intent of the sacrifice paid once for all on the Cross of Calvary by our Savior. May I suggest a book that you may locate in a used book store, "GRACE" by Lewis Sperry Chafer. Just responding with love for my brother in Christ. Patty

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