false prophet Ted Porter claims"christians" do not have to obey G-d

Amazingly (NOT!) the false prophets claim they are "under grace" so "you do not have to obey G-d" to explain away their false prophecies and wicked omen interpretations. They say G-d is "the same yesterday today and tomorrow" then turn right around and claim they can prophesy lies and deceit and be acceptable to G-d. G-d says the numerologist and omen interpretators are DETESTABLE to Him - so which is it? Either they are detestable to Him OR He changed and now accepts what He called DETESTABLE and ABOMINATIONS. The false prophets cannot have it both ways.

dictionary.com grace
16.fall from grace,
a. Theology. to relapse into sin or disfavor.
b. to lose favor; be discredited: He fell from grace when the boss found out he had lied.

In the prophet Ezekiel's time the false prophets infested the Holy Temple. G-d showed their wickedness to him before sending Ezekiel to tell them to repent (Ezekiel chapter 8) Instead of repenting, they told Ezekiel 'go away, Ezekiel, we will serve Adonai [G-d] OUR way' They said this to him even though G-d sent him to tell them to repent! Most so-called "christians" today are the VERY SAME - they claim they do not have to obey G-d and that He gives them false rapture dates and unbiblical dreams and visions, takes them to heaven, and communicates to them through numbers, license plates, and even by who won the world series. If G-d communicated to them in this way, NONE of their prophecies would have failed yet they (thousands of failed prophecies) have a 100% FAILURE rate.

False prophets such as the five demon's ("doves") Ted Porter claims that as long as you claim "Jesus" as Savior you do not have to obey Him (ie: accept and follow Him as L-rd of your life) Messiah Yeshua was clear that the road is NARROW and FEW find it. If accepting Messiah Yeshua as Savior (without following Him and obeying Him as L-rd) was all it took to escape judgement then the way would not be narrow. Messiah Yeshua said once you enter the narrow gate (accept Him as Messiah) then you must also stay on the narrow path. People find the straight gate but the question is, will they stick to the narow path or stray over to the broad road? Nobody can snatch them from the narrow path but they can choose to travel the broad road to hell if that is what they want.

Messiah Yeshua said He will reject those who do not obey Torah even if they claim they were serving Him:

Matthew 7

13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

false prophet Rhonda Love went to heaven one vacation

Amazingly most of the false prophets have been able to vacation in "heaven". If they are so blessed by G-d to visit heaven, then why are they still prophecying false rapture dates He does not give them and why do they have no discernment???

If the false prophets are so deceived by a counterfeit heaven, they will believe ANYTHING their demons tell them. The delusion is already here and those who are under it will never recognize Truth.

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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2008/rhondal1031.htm
Rhonda Love (31 Oct 2008)
"the color of the sky in Heaven"

Dear John,
When I got to visit Heaven several years ago, thefirst place I found myself was in a beautiful gardenlike setting, a perfect Paradise. I now assume thatthis was the first level that I saw. As I began torise and leave that place and go up to another level,(I saw three) I rose up to and over a rainbow in a skythat was Silver, not blue. Just thought I'd sharethat. About three years ago, I was given a vision onenight and I saw that same silver sky but with gorgeousgolden clouds in it. So, at least one level of Heavenhas a silver sky! The colors in Heaven are verybrilliant and different from the colors on Earth. It'sutterly undescribable.

Rhonda Love
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Hi Rhonda,Can't wait to go to Heaven to check it out on our eternal abode!Pauls says 1 Cor 2:9, "But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him."John
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false prophet Steve Foss - obama will win the election (unless the "christians" pray and vote differently)

So we have a false prophet who claims to have been given this vision years ago and yet is only writing about it TWO WEEKS before the election he speaks mostly about??? And claims obama (without using his name) will be elected and the most ungodly president ever - unless the "christians" pray and vote to change the election results ---- and, of course, he is "not telling anyone who to vote for"

This is witchcraft and is totally satanic mind control / manipulation.

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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2008/shelvas1031.htm
Shelva Sirry (31 Oct 2008)
"A Prophetic Warning"

Dear Doves,

I have to say with this writer that I had a similar experience with the LORD regarding the 2000 election. Well before we knew the nominee when McCain was well on the way to becoming the candidate, I was in conversation with God about whether or not I really heard from Him.

He said, "Test yourself. I will tell you who will be the next president. It will be Bush." I said, "How can that be since McCain is going to get the nomination?" All He would say is, "Wait and see." A while later McCain made the statement that he would try to remove the tax exempt status of churches. I said, "He is OUT because the Christians will put him out now." Two days later he lost the nomination. And you know the rest of the story.....Also when we did not know who won I kept telling everyone it was Bush. I knew it would be. Shelva


A Prophetic Warning from Pastor Steve Foss.I am writing to you today an urgent message concerning the coming American election. God has released me to share with you a powerfulprophecy He gave me eight years ago. I have shared this prophecy in a number of public meetings, but I have never published it for all ourfriends and partners. In January of 2000 God gave me an incredible insight into what was about to happen in the coming elections inAmerica over the next decade. I am not using this e-mail to tell you, who are citizens of America , who to vote for. However, you need tohear what the Holy Spirit is saying. Never in my 22 years of ministry have I seen such a spirit of delusion released upon our country. InJanuary of 2000, while the Republican nomination for president was far from being decided, God spoke to me that George W. Bush would bethe president of the United States . He told me it would be the hardest fought election in American history. I'm sure we can allremember the incredible battle that took place in Florida . He told me that President Bush would be elected to two terms. He told me thatduring Bush's term there would be a season of unprecedented economic prosperity.Now despite what the media has said, the economic wealth created during the last eight years was unprecedented. I know the media andone of the political parties has been trying to paint the last eight years as the worst economic time in American history, but it isabsolutely untrue. If you look at the wealth created, there were more millionaires created in the last eight years than any time in history.Multitudes of people were able to sell real estate before the housing market collapse, and received incredible transfers of wealth. I couldspend hours showing documentation of the wealth created, but suffice it to say, the evidence is there. God then said to me, At the end ofPresident Bush's second term there would be an economic collapse. As everyone in the world knows, we have just faced the greatest economicthreat since 1929 and the Great Depression. I will speak a little more about the present economic situation a little later in this message.Every detail that God gave me has come to pass exactly as He said.Now there is one more important thing that God spoke to me. This isthe purpose and the reason I am writing this e-mail today. God spoke to me that after George W. Bush, America would elect its most ungodlypresident ever. I'm going to say that again. God spoke to me that after George W. Bush, America would elect its most ungodly presidentever. As of the writing of this e-mail we are now less than two weeks away from voting for our next president. At this time the polls arestrongly showing that the Democratic nominee for president will easily win the White House.Now in 2006 I began to ask the Lord, Is that guaranteed to happen in 2008? He spoke to me very clearly and gave me the key words towhat I believe holds this election in the balance right now. He gave me these key words that can forever change what is about to happen inAmerica . He said, It depends on the Christians. I am not going to endorse a candidate, nor am I telling anyone who to vote for. I amsimply sharing what God has shown me. I had a vision earlier this year. I saw Barack Obama in this vision. He was speaking to a largecrowd and being broadcast on television. He was speaking incredible words of unity, peace, and bringing all sides together; the wordswere elegant, the words were comforting, and the words were inspiring. But while he was speaking I saw all a powerful spirit ofviolence coming out of his spirit feeding into the spirits of those that were hearing him. That spirit of violence was directed atanybody who opposed what he was saying. Those who heard his words and received it had the spirit of violence being implanted inside of them. It was a rage like I have not seen before.It was the rage that would be unleashed against those who oppose and stand in the way of Barack Obama's agenda. We are already seeing thebeginnings of this spirit manifested here in America . The vicious attacks against Sarah Palin have been unlike anything we have everseen before. The sheer hate for this woman from people who knew nothing about her, and who claim to stand up and protect the littlepeople, and women, has been shocking. We now see it with Joe the plumber. These people who are under the influence of this demonspirit of rage desire to completely destroy this man because he dared to question Barack Obama. In fact it wasn't just the question; it wasbecause Barack Obama revealed his true agenda that Joe the plumber became a threat. So the supporters of Barack Obama who had been fedand affected by the spirit of violence went into full swing to destroy a fellow citizen; the very kind of person that Barack Obamahas been speaking about in his eloquent speeches, saying how he is the only candidate fighting for them. I want to put this deep in yourspirit. I am speaking as a prophet. The words I'm about to tell you are thus saith the Lord. If Barack Obama is elected, the attacksagainst free speech, against those who believe differently than he does, and the systematic use of the government and laws to silencethe voice of fundamental Christians will be unlike anything ever seen in this nation before.I have talked to many Christians, including pastors, not only here in the United States but around the world, who strongly supportBarack Obama. Many of them are angry with the Republicans, and understandably so. Others are inspired by the thought of electingAmerica 's first African American president, while others believe Barack Obama to be a Christian who is very concerned with the poorand needy. I am not going to address any of the many concerns about Barack Obama and his form of Christianity. I am only speaking thewords of thus saith the Lord, and you have to decide what you're going to do with it. But I want to remind you, every word God hasspoken to me over the last eight years and every word which I have prophesied about the American government and the elections has cometo pass. God does not give this prophecy to scare us, but to prepareus. God said that the 2008 election is in the hands of theChristians. Just like when God spoke to Jonah about the judgment coming to Nineveh , when the Ninevites repented God withheldjudgment; the same can happen in this election. Even though God spoke that America would elect its most ungodly president, He has given us the ability to stay this judgment.Now you may be asking, Are you saying that Barack Obama, if elected, would be America 's most ungodly president ever. Yes! Now I'm nottelling you who to vote for. Some people want an ungodly president. That's their choice. I have watched throughout the world, Christianssupport political leaders who are blatantly ungodly. So again, this is the peoples choice. I believe if the Christians will pray,repent, and hear the voice of God, a miracle can happen on Election Day. This nation lies in the hands of the Christians. Will we humbleourselves before God and pray for His kingdom to come and His will to be done? Or will we allow our emotions, our feelings, our angers, ourgreed, our race, the opinions of the media, our fears, to dictate to us and affect who we vote for? If you allow these things to affectyou, whether you vote for Republican or Democrat, you are not being led by the Spirit. We must spend time in deep intercessory prayer andcry out for God's mercy upon America . For all our friends who are not in the United States , if Christianity comes under the assaults thatit would under a government controlled by Barack Obama and the Liberal Democrats, it will have horrible negative effects on theGospel throughout the world. All truth is parallel. People say when America catches a cold, the world suffers a flu. This presentfinancial crisis is proof of that. When America is moral and bows its knee to God, it has incredible positive spiritual impact around theworld. However, we have seen over the last several decades, when America becomes more immoral that too affects the world.We need all the Christians around the world to pray for revival to come to America , and for God to have mercy and spare us from thisjudgment. Finally, a brief word about the financial crisis. This is not the end time financial crisis. It is very serious, and it isshaking the foundations of the world's economic system. But we will come out of this, and there will be a time again of incredible wealthcreation. However, the cracks in the financial system will not be healed. The door has been opened and the way is being made for a oneworld government system to overtake the world's economics. The world will falsely look at this situation and say that when the governmentsindividually, and with some unified coordination, jumped in to rescue the world, that it prevented a worldwide depression. In the future,when the true end time financial collapse takes place, it will be very easy for the nations of the world and the peoples of thosenations to allow a new worldwide governing body to come to the rescue. Understand that everything that is happening has asignificant spiritual purpose. So don't panic by what you see happening today, but take this as a spiritual warning from God.Prepare yourself. Get out of debt. Hear the voice of the Holy Spirit in regards to how you handle money. Let God position you to handlethe future complete economic collapse and the overtaking of the worlds economic system.Please pray for America . May God have mercy on us all.Your friend,Steve FossSteve Foss MinistriesP.O. Box 1592Keller, TX 76244817-898-0440In His Service,Karla HawthorneDirector IMentorU Forums http://imentoru.ning.com/My personal blog: 'Karla's Korner' http://imentoru-karla.blogspot.com/
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false prophet Ted Porter just cannot admit his failed rapture date prophecies

Instead of admitting he was wrong, false prophet Ted Porter (of the five demons ["doves"] web site) claims different events fulfilled his failed rapture date prophecies.

Ted Porter said the rapture would happen on a certain day (october 29th) and when it didn't, he fished out another event that happened that day and then claims that event fulfilled his failed rapture date prophecy. This is SO typical of false prophets - and yet NO ONE on the five demons site seems to have discernment and see the false prophets for the fruitcakes / phonies that they really are.

This fear mongering fruitcake such as Ted Porter (and the rest just like him) is why there is so much turmoil and instability in the economy right now.

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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2008/tedp1031-1.htm
Ted Porter (31 Oct 2008)
"Constitutional Crisis - Illegal Alien Elected President of the United States"

Constitutional Crisis - Illegal Alien Elected President of the United States
Could this be the headline on November 5th?
How did we get in this mess?
Was it planned?
With the refusal of officials to prosecute and not hold people in contempt and others such as the Governor of Hawaii to not release requested official documents till after the November 4th election, one can’t wonder if this “constitutional crisis” has been planned. “Nothing in Politics happens by mistake.”
Since this is a Rapture Watch Site, of particular notice, as Tony Ellsworth pointed out, November 5th is exactly 3 ½ calendar years or 42 calendar months from 5/5/5. 42! Wow! 555! Wow!
And if October 29th’s 30-minute infomercial was the “strong delusion”, then a seven day warning from October 29th is also November 5th.
Watching and waiting!

Shalom,
Ted Porter
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false prophet Ola Ilori contradicts false prophet Marily Agee

False prophet Marilyn Agee claims the false prophets can know the day of the rapture (so why has she been wrong the 100 dates she has falsely prophesied in the past???) and is prophecying the rapture will be on november 15th --- so if the false prophets can know the date (even though they have been wrong 100s of times in the past) why does false prophet Marilyn Agee prophecy one date and false prophet Ola Ilori prophecy another date for the rapture???

Today is a possible rapture date too (as is tomorrow, the day after that, and the day after that) why do the false prophets "continue to watch" DATES when Messiah Yeshua said to continually watch for HIM ???

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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2008/ola1031.htm

Ola Ilori (31 Oct 2008) "6th OF NOVEMBER 2008: POSSIBLE RAPTURE DATE"
Hi Doves,

I believe that the Lord's Transfiguration took place on the 8th of Cheshvan 33 AD.

For we read,

"Now it came to pass, about eight Days...He (the Lord) took Peter, John, James and went up on the mountain to pray."(Luke 9:28)

Let's account for these 8 Days.

I believe these are the first 8 Days of the Month of Cheshvan. The 1st Day would have been the New Moon.

This would then be followed by 6 working Days. Which are from the 2nd to the 7th of Chesvan.

The 8th Day would be a Sabbath Day, the 8th of Chesvan.

This would be the 1st Sabbath of the Month of Chesvan.

While Luke records the first 8 Days of the Month of Chesvan in his Gospel. Matthew and Mark, on the other hand record the Lord's Transfiguration differently. Yet all three Disciples are saying the same thing!

Matthew records,

"Now after six Days Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother, led them up on a high mountain by themselves..." (Matt.17:1)

In Mark we read,

"Now after six Days Jesus took Peter, James, and John and led them up on a high mountain apart by themselves; and He was transfigured before them" (9:2)

I believe these 6 Days are from the 2nd to the 7th of Chesvan 33 AD.

Which means the Lord was Transfigured on the 8th of Chesvan 33 AD.

If I am correct, the Lord will return this year on the 8th of Chesvan with His two Witnesses Moses and Elijah!

The 8th of Chesvan,for this year, falls on the 6th of November 2008.

Could it be that on the 6th of November the Lord will come for us in the rapture, while at the same time His two witnesses would begin there 1260-Day Prophetic Ministry in Jerusalem?

For it seems that Peter was saying the Lord's Second Coming would be on the 8th of Chesvan in a Year unknown to them at the time.

For we read,

"...We did not follow cunningly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ..." (2 Pet.1:16)

The election for the Presidency of the United States takes place on the 4th of November 2008. Millions vote. Obama wins.

He is declared the President on the 5th of November.

There is celebration all over the United States and around the World.

On the 6th of November 2008, millions of men, women and children suddenly vanish in the United States and around the World.

The two witnesses begin their 1260 Day Ministry.

The 7 Year Great Tribulation begins...

This is how I see events unfold.

Lets continue to watch,

Ola
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new false prophet: Sunnyskyblue

If G-d reveals something to someone, it WILL happen. Since "Sunnyskyblue " claims their "god" lies to people by revealing something that does not happen, then their "god" is satan.

Does NO ONE on the five demons ("doves") site see what it wrong with this??? Once again, proof there is absolutely NO discernment on the five demons site and the site is satanic. Of course, it also shows their definition of "rapture" is not a catching up but a feeling of "joy" - a satanic counterpart.

I just disagree with your input which may keep people from posting what God has reveal to them, and even if it does or not happen it creates a sense of alertness ( Rapture )

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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2008/sunnyskyblue1030-2.htm
Sunnyskyblue (30 Oct 2008)
"Hello 5 Doves / Rick Hedrick"

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2008/rickh1029.htm


I truly understand where you are coming from with your article but why is it that your so edgy what people are putting together about the Rapture and its timing. This is a Pre-Trib forum from what I see, I'm not contesting with your views simply because they are valid indeed. I just disagree with your input which may keep people from posting what God has reveal to them, and even if it does or not happen it creates a sense of alertness ( Rapture ) --- I would hate to be living in a opaque world with no light shedding upon me in terms of the prophecies that are occurring today preceding the Rapture .


By the way we do have Faith in the unseen things which are going to happen, Faith in Jesus first off. Mind you these guys are not talking about getting a new cars here in 5 doves, we are talking and waiting by Faith in our Messiah ( Blessed Hope ) ...

With all due respect it seems like your anticipating a debate rather then a explanation ? Of course I can be wrong, lol ...

No hard feelings brother, I just got in yesterday ( 5 Doves ) however, I love you in Christ no matter what, in the end of it all we'll all be worshipping the Lord ...
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false prophet / numerologist / wicked omen interpretor Gary Rich claims the rapture will be on Chanukah

Still trying to tie in the dow jones dropping 777 points on Rosh Hashanah with the rapture. The false prophets NEVER admit they are wrong - they just continue with their bizarre reinterpretations.

I thought false prophet Marilyn Agee decided that the false prophets can know the day of the rapture - if so, why are all of them still coming up with different dates???

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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2008/garyr1030-1.htm
Gary Rich (30 Oct 2008)
"Hanukkah 2008 Rapture and 777"

I do believe that our possibilities for a 2008 rapture are still very possible. John's Psalm 108 posting brings out good reasons for us to still be hoping to hear our Lord's rapture trumpet this year. Also - i wanted to point out some very interesting prophetic numbers that point to our rapture flight happening over this coming Hanukkah 2008Daniel Matson and Ted Porter have both pointed out the bibical number time-line : from June 7, 1967 to November 8, 2006 ( Hanukkah ) is 40 - 360 day years which equals 14,400 days. . A quite prophetic number that landed on Hanukkah that year. And recently it was noted that it is 700 days from Nov 8, 2006 to this past Yom Kippur 2008 . But no one thought to add 77 more days which brings us to December 24, 2008. The 3rd day of Hanukkah for 2008
In summary - from Hanukkah November 8, 2006 to Hanukkah December 24, 2008 is 777 days. Have we seen this number lately my friends . Yes we have, this past Feast of Trumpets - we saw the Dow Stock Market drop 777 points. And which all rapture watchers seem to believe is a message from God pointing towards our rapture flight. And December 24th is of course Christmas Eve and also the 3rd day of the Hebrew Hanukkah FestivalAnd thats not all. It has also been pointed out on other postings that the current Jewish year 5769 added to the current Gentile year 2008 adds up to 7777. Can this be just by chance, these 7's all adding up in this year and pointing to the Hanukkah Festival, i just don't think so. And one more interesting fact about December 24th, it was four years ago on Christmas 2004 that the world saw the earth-shaking 9.1 mega earthquake in Asia. A quake that many bible prophecy watchers felt was a warning sign from God. Was that earth shaking quake a 4-year warning to our rapture and the start of the Tribulation Judgements. I am now thinking it was. Especially since so many of us still feel our rapture flight is going to happen this year 2008. John's experience with the 108 lot is just another way for God to be letting us know He is still coming for us this year 2008I now believe that we have just two months left to hear our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ call us Heaven-bound to our new homes in the Eternal City - The New Jerusalem !!!
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fruitcake false prophet Tony Ellsworth still claiming that the Phillies winning the world series means the rapture will happen yesterday

false prophet Tony Ellsworth said the Phillies getting to the world series meant the rapture would happen on october 29, 2008 (it is now the 30th) although he is not deterred that the rapture did not happen - he is STILL claiming the Phillies win is a sign for the rapture.

As usual, the false prophets never admit they are wrong - they just continue claiming their omen interpretation was correct even though it was obviously wrong. G-d calls those who interpret omens (such as Tony Ellsworth) DETESTABLE (I've posted the verse numerous times recently)

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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2008/tonye1030-1.htm
Tony Ellsworth (30 Oct 2008)
"Philadelphia wins! 4 - 3"

I’ll be brief on this and again I’m not a baseball fan, but I am a big fan of the Philadelphian Church in Revelation and I think this “says” something…
Reference:
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2008/tonye1029-2.htm
This was a delayed game from Monday in a 7 game series.
They played 3.5 innings to finish the game (3.5 X 2 = 7)
In the 7th inning the “Devil Rays” tied up the score 3 – 3
Then during Philadelphia’s at bat in the 7th #7 hit the run in that would ultimately be the winning run to go ahead 4 – 3 (7 total runs scored).
Philadelphia pitcher in the 7th inning was named J.C.
It was Philadelphia’s last chance to win at home.
Philadelphia’s uniform is crimson & white
There are many reasons to keep watching of which I’ll send under separate cover…(October 31, Nov 1, 4 & 5 and more…)

Maranatha!
Tony
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Marie Komar claims we must compromise with evil to elect who she wants to be elected

Never mind obama may be G-d's choice for His reasons - because so many want mccain over obama, they say we must pray for mccain. Whatever happened to praying for G-d's will and let Him put into office who HE chooses???

mccain supports embryonic stem cell research Palin supports the dividing of Israel. I cannot vote for them just as I cannot vote for obama. G-d is testing those who claim to be His. He wants to see who will be a compromiser and who will not compromise their faith.

G-d will put into office whoever He choses. I will not compromise my faith by chosing the "lesser evil" (which is still evil) Those who compromise with the "lesser evil" will have to face eternity with that decision.

Those who vote mccain will get what they deserve if he is elected (just as they did with Israel dividing bush) and those who vote for obama will get what they deserve (a muslim nation) Either choice is not good but it will be what the united states deserves.

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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2008/mariek1029.htm
Marie Komar (29 Oct 2008)
"to Alan Keyte (28 Oct 2008) re "how I will vote""

Dear Allen – I agree with Alan Keyes too. But, his electoral numbers are ZERO. Unfortunately, your vote is wasted and will only help elect Obama.Our country will simply disintegrate at a faster pace.Marie Komar
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false prophet Bob Ware hears voices

He is trying to claim it is the Spirit of G-d yet because of his numerology false prophecies, we know it isn't. Once again, the five demons ("doves") site owner John Tng sees nothing wrong with numerology and false prophecies. Hell will be extra hot for the false prophets that lead others to destruction.

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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2008/bobware1029.htm
Bob Ware (29 Oct 2008)
"Prophetic and Gregorian Year Differences Link: 1967, LORD JESUS CHRIST, 2008 and Rapture number 107"

John - yes, 2008 is at the center of the 'golden ratio' cross on the base tier of the Genesis 1:1 Pyramid.

Last night, after it got quiet, I heard that little voice and it told me to look at the differences in the number of days between prophetic years and Gregorian years. This is what I found....

A Biblical prophetic year has 360 days. A Gregorian year has 365 days, or 366 in a leap year.

When you count from the bottom up, the center stone of the center row of the ‘Genesis 1:1 Pyramid’ is number 2017. The Six Day War happened in 1967. There are 51 inclusive years from 1967 to 2017. There are 51 prime numbers in the ‘Prime Cube’ – three columns with 17 numbers in each. I placed the 51 years from 1967 to 2017 into the ‘Prime Cube’ pattern. Next to each year a placed the number of days difference between that Gregorian year and a prophetic year which was either 5 or 6 days. I then added these extra days and created the series of running totals (RT).

The sum of the 18 running totals from 1991 (131) to 2008 (221) is 3168. This is a Greek gematria for ‘LORD JESUS CHRIST’.

The prime number 113 is the first point of the ‘Prime Cross’ and falls in the 9th position of the ‘Prime Cube’. The year 2009 fell in the 43rd position of the ‘Prime Cube’ at the last point of the ‘Prime Cross’. The 43rd different President of the United States will be inaugurated in 2009. The total of extra days from 1967 to the year 2009 is 226 (2 x 113). The sum of the last five running totals from 2005 (205) to 2009 (226) is 1077. The last point of the ‘Prime Cross’ is the 43rd number of the ‘Prime Cube’, the 153rd prime number: 881. 43 + 153 + 881 also equals 1077. 1077 is the final gematria for ‘CROSS’.

Thus, we have ‘LORD JESUS CHRIST’ (3168) ending at 2008. This is immediately followed by the ‘CROSS’ (1077). The sum of the four points of the ‘Prime Cross’ is 1948 (113 + 431 + 523 + 881).

The ‘Prime Cube’ is the center 17 rows of the first three columns of the ‘Prime List’. The ‘Prime List’ has five columns of 61 rows. There are 61 inclusive years from Israel’s rebirth in 1948 to the year 2008. There are 321 more days in these 61 Gregorian years than there are in 61 prophetic years. The prime factoring of 321 is: 3 x 107. 107 is the rapture number. Thus, we have the rapture number linking the year of Israel’s rebirth and the year 2008.

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bobware88@juno.com
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Fruitcake omen interpreter claims we are in the last days because of her sunburn

Lots of garbage being posted on the five demons site. I wonder how much is made up to see if the satanist owner will post it or whether they really believe the garbage they are writing. Either way, the owner of the five demons ("doves") site John Tng is posting it so obviously he has no problem with it - even when it contradicts scripture such as this omen interpretation.

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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2008/gloriac1029.htm
Gloria McCrea (29 Oct 2008)
"I believe we are in the last days of the last days because of my sunburn"

I got a nasty sunburn while sitting on the patio. It was only on ONE KNEE. I believe it was from a solar flare. It happened in early summer, 2008.I put gentian violet on it & aloe vera since then. It started as a red marking, then got worse.I nursed it all summer.Now, it is starting to fade. I still put aloe vera on it.I have never had a sunburn like this before.This has to be an end times sign, in my opinion. Gloria McCreaAutumny2@AOL.com
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Diane Chapman would rather compromise with evil than suffer persecution

Anyone who gives out halloween candy instead of cleaning up a little egg is compromising with evil instead of standing for what they claim to believe in.

I would rather clean up the egg than compromise with evil. Would Diane Chapman rather take the mark of the antimessiah than face beheading? She can't even stand up for her faith when threatened with a little egg cleanup.

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Diane Chapman (29 Oct 2008) "a different kind of Halloween"

Doing it differently this Halloween


Well, Halloween is upon us again. While being a Christian I certainly don’t “celebrate” the day, I do give out candy to the kids because it’s easier than cleaning the egg off the house and cars (we have some rough kids around here).

That said, I thought I’d do things a little differently this year. I usually engage in a capitalistic Halloween. I get a variety of different candies from the store and reward the more elaborate costumes with more candy. If the child or teen has made a good effort in their costume, I give them a few of pieces of candy. If the kid just put on a hat or mask – or like many of the teens that come later, they don’t dress up at all - they just get one piece. The kids that try harder get more.

I thought I’d try a socialistic approach this Halloween. An Obama-ween if you will. I will only buy one kind of candy, and each child gets only one piece, whether they have a costume or not. This seems fair. I am redistributing the candy. Everyone only gets one piece, so I will not have to buy as much in these economically hard times. I can take the extra money I would spend rewarding the good costumes and redistribute it into my bank account, where I will use it for administrative costs such as the electricity for the light on the porch on Halloween night.

No incentive for dressing up – everyone gets the same. Sounds pretty boring huh. Why even try? Why aim to succeed if the more I succeed, the more is taken from me to give to others who don’t? If I were the kids in this redistributed candy system, I would just throw a sheet over my head, cut a couple of eye holes in it and be a ghost, because that is what will happen to our capitalistic and creative society if the socialists have their way.

Happy Halloween and BOO. This should really be a scary one!

Blessings to you in the name of my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, whom I will continue to watch and wait for, no matter how many predictive rapture dates come and go.

If I age and die before the rapture, so be it. The destination is the same, Glory to God!!

Diane Chapman
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false prophet Mark Copfer claims we can know the rapture date - so why are all the different dates still being prophesied for the rapture???

I just don't get it. All the false prophets claim we can know the date of the rapture in advance - while they continuing spewing out dates that alwasy fail - and continually prophecying different dates than the other false prophets.

Obviously if they claim we can know the rapture date in advance then they should not be conjuring up different dates and their date would not fail. This is not the case so how can they continue to claim that we can know the day of the rapture???

Fruitcake false prophets are whjy many people do not follow Messiah Yeshua and those false prophets will be eternally punished.

The wicked false prophets will not understand that we must KEEP WATCH each and every day for MESSIAH YESHUA and not conjure up dates to watch as the false prophets claim. You must chose to either follow Messiah Yeshua and what He says - or follow the false prophets (such as Mark Copfer) down the broad road to hell.

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Mark Copfer (29 Oct 2008)
"Re: The Rapture"
You said: No man can know the day or the hour neither the angels but the Father only of when Jesus will come for the Bride
I must say that you are incorrect with your interpretation of this verse in the bible. One must go back, and understand who said it, to whom it was said, and what time period it was said. Back then, Jesus was NOT in heaven, so of course he could not know the day nor hour. But you can bet your life he most certainly knows now.... The following will help in gaining understanding of that verse that you are referring to.
That verse above that you refer to is the MOST mis-interpretated mis-understood verse in the entire bible. The following will shed some light and hopefully give some understanding.
The most common understanding of the date discoverer-- for Matthew 24:36 is that Jesus was only referring to that present time, i.e., the present tense applied to that particular time and not necessarily to a future time when the knowledge of dates and times would be Divinely unsealed. "But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the Time Of The End" (Daniel 12:4). Additionally, we have good reason to believe that the understanding of the End Time events will be especially unsealed for those upon whom those events will occur, such as the Pre-Tribulational Rapture. "None of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand" (12:10).
However, Mark 13:32 is even more stringent than Matthew 24:36 in the limitation of who may not know the day or the hour. "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in Heaven, neither the Son, but the Father" (Mark 13:32). Here, the LORD Jesus stated that He knew not the day or the hour, the same as man and angels. Why did the Son of God say this of Himself? When "The Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us" (John 1:14), He left His glory in Heaven. "But we see Jesus, Who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that He by the grace of God should taste death for every man"(Hebrews 2:9). When the LORD Jesus ascended back to Heaven, He was restored to His glory. "Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, He hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear" (Acts 2:33). Therefore, Jesus only temporarily did not know the day or the hour, by Divine agreement within the Godhead. And, if Jesus only temporarily did not know; likewise, man may only temporarily not know the day or the hour. "He [the Spirit of Truth] shall glorify Me: for He shall receive of Mine, and shall shew it unto you" (John 16:14).
Man may choose to ignore or neglect God's modern prophets, but God is most certainly using these faithful servants to declare to him "that hath an ear" (Revelation 3:13) God's secrets of coming prophetic events. "Surely the LORD GOD will do nothing, but He revealeth His secret unto His servants the prophets" (Amos 3:7) It may be the disposition of those who reject the certainty that we may know the day or the hour, to choose to hear a particular prophet, or to reject all the modern prophets wholesale; but, remember the Apostle Peter's Pentecost sermon reference to the active presence of prophets in these Last Days. "And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of My Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams" (Acts 2:17 compare to Joel 2:28). If God does not neglect these modern prophets, then we dare not neglect them, either. "Touch not Mine anointed, and do My prophets no harm" (Psalm 105:15).
The prophets of the Old Testament were date setters-- or, date discoverers-- i.e., they sought to understand the timing of the things that they had prophesied. "Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what [i.e., what Person], or what manner of time [i.e., when would be the First Advent] the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when It testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow" (1Peter 1:10-11). The godly example of these prophets ought to be imitated in our seeking to know the timing of the events associated with the Second Advent--"whose faith follow" (Hebrews 13:7). Perhaps the most touching reason for why we may know the day or the hour of the Pre-Tribulational Rapture is the principle of friendship with the LORD Jesus."Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his LORD doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of My Father I have made known unto you" (John 15:15). Just because one part of the Body professes not to know of a particular date or time for an End Time event, does not mean that another part of the Body has not been revealed that understanding. "And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you" (1Corinthians 12:21).And, just because we believe that it is possible to know the date or the hour of the Pre-Tribulational Rapture, does not mean that we necessarily have been persuaded of any particular date or time. "Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind" (Romans 14:5). If we do not presently have the confidence that we have the understanding of any particular date or time, then we-- as well as those who are persuaded of a particular date or time-- should simply go forth in the strength of Jesus' assurance that the "time is at hand" (Revelation 22:10), and be ready. "Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not" (Luke 12:40).
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false prophet 'Nando' - "confirms" the other false prophets false prophecies

We now get to vote for when the rapture will happen???

Obviously time is running out for the rapture and the two witnesses - there is less than 12 hours until the 30th (the false prophecy is for the 29th - and I'm giving them extra time to encompass every time zone)

The five demons ("doves") site continues to show it is satanic and that there is absolutely no discernment left on that site.

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Nando (29 Oct 2008)
"THE TWO WITNESS"

Dear John:This afternoon at 6 pm a good friend of mine called me from New Mexico to inform me that there were calculations stating that the rapture and the beginning of the apocalipse was to be tomorrow the 29. I Pointed him to the work by Mr. Ted Porter letter October 13 and told him that if the conclusion of the coming of Christ in September 23, 2015 is correct then the two witness must start their testimony tomorrow. I just read the posting of Mr. Grenough and I agree with his conclusions. we talked about the rapture of the dead tomorrow and whether the changing of the alive beleivers was to be in the same day or a few days latter, and if we are going to hear the trumpet and the shout? parable of the ten virgins. Well tomorrow we will know. Exiting times!!!!! My whole inmediate family voted today just in case.Nandotwelvebooks.wordpress.com__Let's hope for the best, Nando.John
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Tony Ellsworth is still interpreting omens (ie: G-d says Tony is detestable to Him) - claims tonights baseball game is a sign from G-d for the rapture

I think Tony Ellsworth had best go back to the mental hospital he escaped from.

G-d says interpretors of omens are detestable to Him

Deuteronomy 18:10-12 "There shall not be found among you anyone who uses divination or who practices witchcraft or one who interprets omens or is a sorcerer or who casts a spell or is a medium or a spiritist or who calls up the dead. For whosoever does these things is detestable to the Lord."

The baseball game has NOTHING to do with the rapture and has absolutely NO prophetic significance regardless of what false prophet Tony Ellsworth claims. Tony Ellsworth is using it as an omen and is interpreting it --- so Tony Ellsworth is detestable to G-d. One needs to ask - why is this posted on a site that claims to be Christian? Obviously the site is satanic and they call it Christian to deceive.

No wonder unbelievers mock Christians - they have no discernment to see that the fruitcake false prophets of the five demons ("doves") site are mocking G-d and are not believers despite of what they claim. Messiah Yeshua will reject the whole lot of them (unless the individuals repent)

Matthew 7

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

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Tony Ellsworth (29 Oct 2008) "Baseball Rapture tie-in???"
This is really bizarre and the timing is very interesting in regards to October 29th. It had already been decided and announced that game 6 of the World Series would be bumped for the 30 minute Barak Obama political speech spot that he paid for.
The World Series is between the Philadelphia Phillies & the Tampa Bay (Devil) Rays
The Series is a 7 game series of which Philadelphia held a 3-1 game advantage with one chance to win at home. Philadelphia led the game 2-1 into the 6th inning where there was quite a bit of rain. Just before they suspended the game for rain the (Devil) Rays scored a run to tie the game at 2 -2. The game has been decided to resume on Wednesday since today’s forecast is for more rain and possibly snow in Philadelphia. Now game 5 will resume sometime after Barak Obama’s 30 minute speech on Wednesday.
Here is the story from ESPN:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2008/news/story?id=3668965
Consider Philadelphia, Devil Rays, all the numbers of which I won’t go into and that this bizarre set of events has led to an unprecedented climax to a World Series in Philadelphia after Obama’s speech…
Very, very interesting and I’m not even a baseball fan (smile)
Revelation 3:7-13
To the Church in Philadelphia
7"To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: These are the words of him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open. 8I know your deeds. See, I have placed before you an open door that no one can shut. I know that you have little strength, yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name. 9I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars—I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you. 10Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth. 11I am coming soon. Hold on to what you have, so that no one will take your crown. 12Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my new name. 13He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

Blessings,
Tony
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false prophet Marilyn Agee: If one rapture date fails, try, try, try, try, try, and try again

Marilyn Agee has said that "we can know the day of the rapture" since she prophecied a rapture date (and wrote a book about it which she email spammed all over the internet) several years ago - and when that date failed, she has come up with at least 100 other "rapture dates" (which have all failed) how can she claim that "we can know the date of the rapture" ??? If we could, why has she been wrong over 100 times??? Obviously if we could know the date of the rapture, she would not have given 100 different dates / false prophecies about it in the past (and even wrote a book about a failed rapture date several years ago) She is now [still] claiming we can know the day of the rapture to sucker her followers into continuing to follow her and her false prophecies.

Why do all the false prophets claim they are no prophet then state that they can know the rapture date and give that date? Do they think if they say they are not a prophet it will protect them from G-d's judgement when their prophecies fail??? G-d is not mocked (even though millions of people will continue to believe the false prophecies, lies, and deception of the false prophets)

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Marilyn Agee (29 Oct 2008) "WE CAN KNOW THE DAY OF THE RAPTURE, Cheshvan 17, Nov. 15, 08"
From Marilyn Agee
Re: WE CAN KNOW THE DAY OF THE RAPTURE, Cheshvan 17, Nov. 15, 08

WE CAN KNOW THE DAY
"THE DAY THAT NOE ENTERED INTO THE ARK...SO SHALL ALSO THE COMING OF THE SON OF MAN BE"
THAT'S CHESHVAN 17 FOLKS
JESUS SAID, "TAKE YE HEED: BEHOLD, I HAVE FORETOLD YOU ALL THINGS" (Mark 13:23)
By Marilyn Agee, posted 10-27-08
I'm no prophet, but it now seems that Jesus himself gave us the last clue we need a long time ago. It's so plain in Matthew 24, I don't know why I didn't get it before this. I knew it was in Scripture, but I looked everywhere but the right place, in plain view. I should have known that in plain view was the best place to hide something. What threw me off was Mt. 24:36, where Jesus said, "But of that DAY AND HOUR knoweth no man". After so many reminded me of that so many times, I skimmed over what followed it. Look what he said in verse 42: "Watch therefore: for ye know not what HOUR your Lord doth come." HE LEFT OUT THE DAY. In case we missed it, he even repeated it. in verse 44, he said, "Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an HOUR as ye think not the Son of man cometh." HE LEFT OUT THE DAY. That means that in between verses 36 and 44, Jesus revealed the DAY, Cheshvan 17, "THE DAY THAT NOE ENTERED INTO THE ARK." The wise virgins are not in the dark as to the DAY, just the hour. The foolish virgins don't know the day or the hour. Jesus put the day in plain view. I have read it over and over without realizing that in verses 42 and 44, he didn't say DAY AND HOUR, only HOUR (hora). Mt. 24:32-45 (KJV) says, "Now learn a parable of the fig tree (Israel, Joel 1:6,7); When his branch (klados, scion broken off for grafting, i.e., modern Israel) is yet tender (apalos, young, i.e., no more than 19, which she was in 1967), and putteth forth leaves (Gaza Strip, Sinai, Golen Heights, West Bank, in the Six-Day War of 1967), ye know that summer is nigh (the war started June 5; summer arrived June 21): So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it ('the kingdom of God', Luke 21:31) is near, even at the DOORS (symbol of the Raptures, as in Rev. 3:8, 4:1). Verily (amen, so be it, firm, trustworthy) I say unto you, This generation (i.e., those born in 1967) shall not pass (1967 + 48 = 2015), till all these things (i.e., both Raptures) be fulfilled." It looks like the 2nd Rapture will be in 2015 (Tishri 1, 5776). The 1st Rapture will be 7 years before that, i.e., in 5769. This year started on Tishri 1, 5769 (Sept. 30, 2008). I thought the 1st Rapture would be that day, but I had something else to learn, and that is found in this passage of Scripture. Read on. Continuing in Mt. 24, the Olivet Discourse, Jesus said, "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that DAY AND HOUR knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But AS THE DAYS OF NOE WERE, SO SHALL ALSO THE COMING OF THE SON OF MAN BE. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until THE DAY THAT NOE ENTERED INTO THE ARK (Cheshvan 17), And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; SO SHALL ALSO THE COMING OF THE SON OF MAN BE. Then (tote, at the same time, i.e., on Cheshvan 17, 5769; November 15, 2008) shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Watch therefore: for ye know not what HOUR (hora) your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an HOUR (hora) as ye think not the Son of man cometh. Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in DUE SEASON (kairos, set time)?" Lev 26:2-4 says, "Ye shall keep my SABBATHS, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD. If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them; Then I WILL GIVE YOU RAIN IN DUE SEASON, and the land shall yield her increase, and the trees (i.e., nations) of the field (i.e., world) shall yield their FRUIT." We are called a kind of firstfruits. James 1:18 says, "Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be A KIND OF FIRSTFRUITS of his creatures." Cheshvan 17, 5769 (Nov. 15, 2008) is on Saturday, the Sabbath. It looks like we will go to Shabbatai (Saturn, the 3rd Heaven; II Cor. 12:2, and the 7th planet) on Shabbat (the 7th day). IN MARK, THE PORTER DOESN'T KNOW THE HOUR, BUT HE KNOWS THE DAY Mark 13:33-37 says, "Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time (kairos, set time, due time) is. For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch. WATCH YE THEREFORE: FOR YE KNOW NOT WHEN THE MASTER OF THE HOUSE COMETH, AT EVEN, OR AT MIDNIGHT, OR AT THE COCKCROWING, OR IN THE MORNING: Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch." At even, midnight, cockcrowing, or morning is describing the hour. The porter already knows the day. THE SON OF MAN IS REVEALED AT THE TIME OF THE SECOND RAPTURE Luke 17:28-30 says, "Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed." The Sign of the Son of Man will be seen in the sky as the Day of God's Wrath begins. He will be sitting on his throne, because the judgment will be made at the Judgment Seat of Christ that day. The Pre-Wrath Rapture will take place just before God's Wrath hits Earth. Again, we can figure out the day, but not the hour. There will be a Solar Eclipse a little past 6 PM on our previous day, when this Jewish day starts. I think it will be the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5776 (Sept. 14, 2015). It can't be later than 2015, because 1967 + 48 (Mt. 1:17) = 2015Agape,Marilyn Ageemjagee@verizon.nethttp://prophecycorner.com/agee/index.html
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false prophet Frank R Molver wonders why Christians are mocked???

All Frank R Molver needs to do is read the false prophecies and guaranteed rapture dates on the five demons ("doves") site - a site that calls itself Christian even though it is satanic - and see what the undiscerning unbelievers see - a bunch of false prophet fruitcakes. Even though I, and True Believers, know the five demons are not Christian, the unbelievers have no way of discerning this.

Those who want to follow G-d yet believe anything on the five demons ("doves") site ARE deceived. Those who post their false prophecies there are false prophets and are decveiving others and are bringing mocking upon G-d's TRUE followers.

Anyone who listens and follows the false prophets of the five demons ("doves") site lacks any discernment whatsoever (which especially includes Frand R Molver)

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Frank R Molver (28 Oct 2008) "It seems even the elect shall be deceived"
I think we are called sheep because we find ourselves caught in traps by more clever creatures. That is why we have a wise shepherd. We get led astray by dishonest people who pretend to be sheep. We believe a news media that has a history of ridiculing and mocking Christians. God does set up rulers and takes them down. He also gives people what they deserve sometimes in a ruler. We have great sin we are overlooking. That is why we will probably make a bad choice for a leader even though God gives us an opportunity to choose a wiser one. God is not out of the government business unless we push him out. Don't pretend you are at a higher level of spirituality by ignoring the danger we can choose to avoid but not being passive. Don't slander the good choice God has given us by siding with an evil media, that is a clue of lack of discernment.
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false prophet Jerry Grenough prophecies the rapture will happen by tomorrow

If he forwards a false prophecy, then he endorses it. - He also claims the two witnesses will be on the scene by tomorrow.

If this is not a prophecy, then what is? Although, of course, the false prophets will claim they never prophesied anything because they KNOW they are false prophets and are deceiving others but think they are somehow still following G-d.

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Jerry Grenough (28 Oct 2007)
"Two Witnesses Show Up By October 29, 2008"

The Two Witnesses Will Have To Show Up By October 29, 2008!!! Why? Well, according to the 2,520 timeline of the tribulation period ending on September 23, 2015 (per Sir Isaac Newton - Daniel & Revelation), the two witnesses will have to show up on October 29, 2008 and begin their 1,260 day ministry in Jerusalem.Where are the two witnesses anyway?Remember the Transfiguration of Christ? Moses and Elijah were with Christ in the transformed state he was in.This was a vision of the Second Coming of Christ!He told some of His disciples just days before that there would be some of them that would at one future time who will not see death!The two witnesses are in heaven!!They are waiting for their trip to earth at the rapture event!Then they will be let loose on the earth to preach to the nation of Israel.The fact that the two witnesses have to come down to the earth when Jesus returns for His Church, proves that the rapture has to happen before the first half of the tribulation period.We will be raptured then they will immediately start preaching for 1,260 days up until the time of April 11, 2012.Then the Anti-christ will enter the Jewish temple and set up the false idol and descecrate the holy place. Then the Anti-christ will have 42 months left in his world conquest. The temple will be unclean until 1,290 days that would mean that on September 23,2015 the battle of Armegeddon will come to a conclusion then 30 days later the temple will be cleansed.Written by Scott, forwarded by Jerry Grenough
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false prophet (forecaster) Cliff Hughes makes bold prophecies

Just remember - these are "forecasts" and not prophecies --- the false prophets will say or do anything so they can claim they are not false prophets.

When the rapture happens, the five demons ("doves") site will have just as many people posting as before - and John Tng as well as all of the false prophets on the site will not even realize the rapture had happened.

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Cliff Hughes (28 Oct 2008) "Fresh Forecast For Rest of '08 And Year 2009"
Finally we have waited and have made another triumphant circuit around the Jewish Holy Days ... only to find ourselves still trapped upon planet earth .... Its been a while since I last posted on fivedoves for reason of patience to see if any event of a signficant magnitude relating to the rapture will perhaps transpire upon the world scene .... but Alas! ... to my astonishment ... nothing much had happened thus far ... except for wal-mart ---sorry wal street .... reeling back and forth and aiming towards a depression ... in which case I personally suggest a medication or two (e.g. prozac) be prescribed to soothe her ailment ... hahaha! ... Any now here are my new forecasts for the remainder of '08 and year '09. 1. There will be an election next month in November. 2. The winner of the election may never be known due to fraudulent activities and cries for a recount similar to year 2000 elections 3. Bush will remain in office indefinetly as America's last president 4. Between now and inauguration day, an event {perhaphs terror related} will occur that will give Pres. Bush the green light to take action against Iran 5. Bush will make a sweeping victory against the Iranians ... this war will serve to unite the Arab world with the communist nations against America & the west 6. The rapture will occur in the spring of '09 during the feast of passover. 7. Starting in November, the fivedoves website will be so flooded with letters that perhaps it will take a whole day to read thru the dove letters. These are my forecast for now .... stay tuned for more as events transpires in the coming days and months! John, I pray the Lord grants you the strength and enablement to continue in the good work you do in keeping this website all thru these years .... your website has always been to me an oasis of spiritual refreshment and comfort .... I pray the Lord to generously infuse your spirit with great joy and gladness as you anticipate the soon coming of our Christ and daily renew us thru your ministry ... Much blessings 2 u & to ALL Doves ....__Thanks for writing, Cliff!John
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false prophet Cinda Godfrey follows the web bot false prophecies

The bible says sometimes the false prophets are right because it is a test from G-d to see if you will follow them or Him or follow the false prophets to their false "gods" --- Cinda Godfrey has chosen to follow a web bot that is predicting a "mass disappearance" What she fails to realize is all the false prophets who are predicting a spring 2009 rapture that the web bots are picking up --- and maybe a dissapearance of wealth, dollars, etc.

Deuteronomy 13:1-3

If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer
of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, and the sign or wonder come to pass, whereof he spoke unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them, thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams; for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul

Why would anyone believe web bot predictions for the rapture date? Messiah Yeshua said to WATCH - not dates or web bots but WATCH FOR HIS IMMINENT RETURN (if 'imminent' is too big of a word for false prophets to comprehend, it means at ANY TIME without warning)

Too bad the web bots can't predict something useful like who will win the election and which stocks will go up - but then again, at only 90% accuracy, it is obviously NOT a web bot from G-d!

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Cinda Godfrey (28 Oct 2008) "Web Bots Predict Mass Disappearances for Early 2009"
Hello Doves,

I don't know how many of you are familiar with Cliff High's Web Bot program. If not, I am kind of at a loss as to how to explain it to you. Briefly, the Web Bots study language and communications on the internet looking for trends and words and phrases in common. It is based on the premise that all of us, on a subconcious level, know the future because, essentially, time is an illusion and is one continuous circle. There is nothing new under the sun, so to speak.

They have developed a very sophisticated computer program which searches for words pointing to future events. So far, they have an absolutely amazing track record of 90% success having predicted in advance 911, the Asian Tsunami, Katrina, the recent earthquakes in Pakistan and China and events too numerous to list.

It it interesting to note that none of the people associated with this project are Christians. And yet, their software program has predicted mass disappearances of people through some type of interdimensional "portal" in the universe beginning in early 2009. I looked up the word "door" in Greek (Jesus says "I am the door") and it actually means "portal". They go on to say that it is NOT the Christian Rapture, but in describing what they see approaching, they describe the Rapture perfectly. They just don't know it. Another interesting forecast they detail is some type of "evangelical confession" of sorts prior to these mass disappearances. You will have to listen to these audios to fully understand why it's so difficult for them to interpret the computer language in advance, but they somehow see evangelicals (not fundamentalist Christians) coming forward publicly and confessing the errors of their ways. To me (and, of course, unbeknownst to them) they were perfectly describing Matthew 25 ~ the unwise virgins trying to make things right as quickly as possible following the Midnight Cry in an effort to qualify for the Rapture of the Bride of Christ.

These Web Bots rarely talk about their work. They state they don't want to mislead people or create panic and they are very careful. But, in September of this year, they did a rare radio interview with George Noory on Coast to Coast AM. The interview, in its entirety, is presented at the following link on You Tube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBjxP5OT57Q

It's very easy to listen because they have divided the interview into 12 segments ~ each one approximately 10 minutes long, so you can listen at your leisure. The information about the mass disappearances is right at the very beginning of Part 7, but you won't really understand it unless you first listen to the whole program, in order of 1-12, to familiarize yourself with how this Web Bot program works.

They have predicted the financial crisis currently unfolding which will get worse and worse with time. In fact, they have been picking up "language" about this financial 911 for years now. The further in advance they pick up chatter about a particular subject, the more severe the event tends to be.

But I wanted to share this information, for whatever it's worth, because if it is correct, our long-anticipated departure from Planet Earth might be right around the corner, in the Spring of 2009. I have always believed in a Spring Rapture because God is consistent and Spring is the season of rebirth and renewal. It's also when Jesus ascended. So, take heart. This is approaching the Rapture date from a completely different perspective. These guys are describing events foretold in the Bible and they aren't even aware of it. Very interesting! Enjoy!

Cinda
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Wacky wiccan Peggy McIlveene - thinks G-d speaks through interpretation of omens

Even though G-d calls omen interpretators 'Detestable', Peggy McIlveene sees nothing wrong with the interpretation of license plate omens and numerology. (see previous posts where the verse is posted that G-d calls omen interpretators detestable to Him)

I find it informative that she admits that "pastor" FM Riley was deceived by a spirit that led him to a Passover 2008 rapture date (which is long past) Obviously "pastor" FM Riley was deceived by a demonic spirit.

Unfortunately for false prophet wiccan Peggy McIlveene - Messiah Yeshua will not accept false works from those who disobey G-d. Since she posts recipes for sheelfish and pork (which G-d calls detestable and an abomination) and she violates Shabbat (the sabbath - saturday) AND she gives false prophecies and follows false prophets, she is in for a sad surprise:

Matthew 7
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2008/peggym1028-5.htm
Peggy McIlveene (28 Oct 2008)
"TO John Tng - "Psalm 108" ..."

You tell ‘em, brother! Sometimes ye have not because ye ask not! These naysayers will find themselves one day sitting here trying to figure out what happened to us! And you are precisely correct about the odds of seeing a car with a license plate 7776 parked in Parking Lot 108! Good God, doesn’t He need to konk us over the head before we realize He’s speaking to us???
You are not the ONLY one “sure” that 2008 has great prophetic implications! Pastor Riley, for instance, is not one to be “taken in” by “visits from the Spirit” like he was earlier this year. He is a 76-year-old believer of the fact that “if it ain’t in the Bible, you can’t believe it”, so when he tells me that the Spirit of the Almighty visited him this year, and directed him to Passover 2008, you can BET that’s exactly what happened! I’ve talked enough to the man to know this as fact! Same with you, brother John… you’re not tossed about by this wind and that wind. Nor am I. I have seen more last year and this year in my spirit to last a lifetime, and I am not one who normally receives a lot of dreams and the like, and have never had a vision, but when the Almighty talks to me, I know it, because I belong to Him and I know His voice and He knows me.
And I’m the same with my workload as you have been. I have been noticing time speeding up for the past 3-5 years, with each year speeding by more and more rapidly. And BUSY at work, with little to no time to get everything done. What’s important is that we make sure nothing keeps us from His work… you keep up with 5 Doves, I keep up with His-Forever, and we keep busy until His return! Keep up the great work, John!
As for the naysayers, we don’t have to answer to them, only to our Father and if we’re married, to our spouse… that’s IT. If they are happy, we can be happy. If they don’t like how we handle our work for the Lord, let them start their own sites, and let them answer to Him; otherwise, may we continue to be about His work until Yahshua returns to take us Home for good… this year?

Love from your sister in Yahshua!
Peggywww.his-forever.com__You keep up with His-Forever and I keep up with 5 Doves!I like the sound of it, Peggy!John
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false prophet Nancy Dillard - If you do not compromise with evil, you will allow (a worse) evil to advance

Nothing like a false prophet telling you you must compromise with a lesser evil or you are allowing evil to advance.

obama is entirely evil - supports abortion, homosexuality

mccain supports embryonic stem cell research

Palin - supports the dividing of Israel

Yet the false prophets continue posting you must vote or YOU are allowing evil to advance. satan wants people to compromise their faith and vote for "lesser evil" --- just like "I sin a little but I'm no murderer" --- a sin is sin and evil is evil. If you vote for ANY evil, you are a compromiser. Just because it is "less" evil does not make it good.

Those who claim you are promoting evil if you do not vote wants you to be a compromiser. They are wicked and doing the will of satan who wants you to compromise with evil because it will justify "small" sins.

G-d does not need my vote to place into office anyone He chooses to put there - and He will not be pleased for us to compromise with evil to place someone in office "WE" think He wants to be there.

Notice this false prophet links to a satanic catholic organization (catholics are satanists)

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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2008/nancyd1028.htm

Nancy Dillard (28 Oct 2002)
"IF you don't vote......you are allowing evil to advance"

I have lurked here since 1999, and have from time to time posted.As a born again, spirit-filled Christian, my heart is heavily burdened for the country that I dearly love. I can not thank God enough for so graciously and mercifully allowing my life to have been born an American and for the opportunities this great country has afforded me and my family.I am also burdened by the fact that seemingly Christian people are so willing to not vote because candidates don't measure up to their standard of good or evil.No human is going to live up to everyone's idea of "good". Thankfully, God knows the heart and He also expects us to "occupy till He comes" and to "be salt and light". How can you do those two things without taking a stand? Make no mistake, GOD is expecting those who call themselves by HIS Name , to wake up and take a stand for this nation. This country has it's faults, but guess what, God has used this nation mightily in the earth to preach the gospel to all nations. When that is done, then what all the Doves are waiting for, the Rapture, will come and we will be on to the next level of our lives.I firmly believe that you check out the candidate and the party (personal responsibility), check out what they stand for (pro-life, pro-family, less government, or liberal platforms, etc), pray , and see what is MOST in line with the Word of God, then VOTE. Our vote is our seed that God will use. People, He does expect us to participate in the process and we get what we allow to happen. He is deeply concerned over how His children make choices in this election. His heart is for that little baby that survived a botched abortion and isn't even given medication to make its short life end a little less painfully. But Obama feels that is second guessing the mother's original decision.......please, it is worse than murder and we are accountable when we can do something as easy as voting and don't. John McCain was not my first,second, third, or fourth choice for the nomination, but the GOP party platform is a document that values life. IF we don't value life, what else deserves that priority?I am not a Catholic, but a friend of mine sent me the link to this video. I pray that you will view it and that it will encourage you to please vote.http://www.catholicvote.com/default.aspx
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follower of false prophets (calls herself) "1 Cor 10:31"

"1 Cor 10:31" does not see anything wrong with numerology - yet she says 'it may or may not be a sign from heaven' even after the person who posted it (the five demons ["doves"] owner John Tng) says it is the way"god speaks to him" (which shows the "god" he serves is satan - it is NOT the G-d of Abraham, Issac, and Israel [Jacob])

"1 Cor 10:31" "sees no problem" with omen interpretation (G-d calls those who interpret omens detestable to Him) and calls the satanist a "brother" - so she is compromising any faith that she has so she can continue to post (and fellowship) on a satanic site. She is either a compromiser - which means she prefers the world - or she is one of the deceivers. Either way, she will be spewed out unless she repents and turns entirely to G-d.

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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2008/1cor1031-1028-2.htm
1 Cor 10:31 (28 Oct 2008)
"John, re: your letter..."

I don't at all have a problem with your getting excited about seeing the vehicle (with a certain numbered license) being parked in #108 space!! It may or may not have been a viable sign from heaven, but your enthusiam is surely contagious!

And hey, I think we all do things like that anyway!! Actually I've done this for nigh going on 10 years now... but it just seems like it's hit me extra hard lately when I'll see the newspaper ads talking about, "FINAL DAYS"!! {it means of course, to get in on a particular sale at a store! ... smile....} but it's SURE caught my attention especially of late!! And then when I saw the circular right after that one ~ and it said, "only 2 more days"

ha!! ~ so it may not have been a heavenly sign per se ~ but you know how it is when you've got the rapture primarily on your mind!

John, so what are you planning to do with all that backload of work when the heavenly trumpet sounds?
*wink*

Time constraints ~ a funny thing! How easy we can get out of balance & out of "whack" over annoying deadlines! And yet, once in heaven, I rather expect we'll all have work assignments of some kind -- something the Lord will appoint us to {NO boredom there, folks!} ~ but yet, we won't be bound by clocks/time/deadlines! ..... add that to our super long list of "things to look forward to"!!

See you soon! ~ oh, and hey, John -- thanks for telling us that YOU think, too, that the Lord may yet come for us in 2008!! I think so, too!

:)__Hi Reva,I will sub out my work to angels while I take a looonnng vacation when the heavenly trumpet sounds! :)John
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numerologist licence plate false prophet 'Loretta' follows a spirit

But is it G-d's Holy Spirit or is it the demonic impersonator that calls itself "holy spirit"???

License plates and placing a meaning on them is interpretation of omens and G-d calls all those who do so DETESTABLE to Him (see previous post - I've posted it twice already today) so obviously the "holy spirit" Loretta is following is a demonic impersonator.

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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2008/loretta1028.htm
Loretta (28 Oct 2008)
"Psalm 108"

Dear John, Thank you for sharing what the Holy Spirit has placed on your heart. You are a blessing in these last days. I am originally from California and now reside in Georgia. One day last month after work, as I was walking to my car in the parking lot, I noticed the car parked in front of me had a California license plate that read 3END108...I sat in my car for about 10 minutes astonished staring at that plate, and asking the Holy Spirit to explain this message..I knew it was a message for me because the plate was from California, my home town. I heard in my spirit the number 3 represented three letters, the word THE..and the rest was END 108...I figured maybe THE END in October 08?? Which meant the RAPTURE...As I read your email this morning regarding Psalm 108..the Holy Spirit confirmed to me that 108 on that license plate meant Psalm 108...Jesus is coming!!! You are so correct brother..keep listening to the Holy Spirit of God, and continue to pray for the scoffers. We as born-again believers are yearning for the return of our Messiah! This is the way it should be according to our Father in heaven!! I have seen visions in the cloud formations, and the face of Jesus all over the place. When I tell others, they think I'm crazy!! God bless you Doves! Don't give up because Jesus is at the door!

Peace and love in Christ,Loretta
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Thanks, Loretta! The number 3 also signifies resurrection!John
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false prophet Mark Copfer: obama is the antimessiah because of a star

Even if obama has a star on the back of his head it does not make him the antimessiah just like Gorbechev's birthmark did not make him the antimessiah (as so many false prophets claimed it did when he was in power) This may be one of the reasons G-d calls those who interpret omens DETESTABLE to Him:

Deuteronomy 18:10-12 "There shall not be found among you anyone who uses divination or who practices witchcraft or one who interprets omens or is a sorcerer or who casts a spell or is a medium or a spiritist or who calls up the dead. For whosoever does these things is detestable to the Lord."

Mark Copfer is a fruitcake / false prophet who is bordering on dangerous. I certainly hope the FBI is watching him. I fear that whacko fruitcakes like him may do something drastic to fulfill their version of prophecy.

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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2008/markc1028-2.htm
Mark Copfer (28 Oct 2008)
"Re: I must say this..."

I have to now confirm, that indeed that is a pentagram on Obama`s head. If its not, then I really am just naive. But once again, I saw Obama on TV the other day, and as he was talking, he turned to someone in the crowd, and there it was AGAIN..... I have no doubt in my mind now whatsoever. We are indeed living in the end times. More demonic activity with ufos (Nephilim), more antichrist stuff with Obama (yes, once and for all, I really believe he is the one)..... Who else in the world alive today, draws crowds large enough to fill 5 or 6 football stadiums in one shot ??? Nobody... thats who. But Obama, in a foreign country, has no problem whatsoever. Only the original woodstock drew more people. And that was to see many many bands. We are talking about ONE single person. If somebody alive on earth has drawn more than 250k people in one speech, I would like to know who.
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