If the five demons posts obviously made up garbage like this, they will post anything (except the Truth!)
This wacky made up story is proof positive there is absolutely NO discernment on the satanic five demons ("doves") web site and head false prophet John Tng does not care how much garbage he feeds his "flock" as long as the gullible and foolish people believes his false prophecies. Does anyone really believe a story ("dream") about bungy jumping is from G-d? Karen Xandra Peters may be a good story teller but this is absolutely no dream from G-d!
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/karenxp1231.htm
Karen Xandra Peters (31 Dec 2008)"My Strange Dream"
Hello,
I've been a long time lurker although I have not posted anything until now.
First I want to comment on an article by Gary Rich:http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/garyr1230-1.htm
I thought Daniel 12:11-12 was giving the days after the Abomination of Desolation was set up and the number of days is 45. Where does the 75 days come from and why is 75 significant from an infomercial Obama gave? Isnt the covenant suppose to be for seven years?
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I had a very strange dream a week ago and I have not been able to figure it out. I would appreciate it if anyone can give it's interpretation. I rarely ever remember my dreams and when I do, something always happens related to my dream.
My dream started when I was falling and then all of a sudden near the bottom I was jerked back up like I was bungy jumping. I bounced two times and then the sky opened up and I saw beneath what was happening on the earth. I saw two large earthquakes and a voice said 'these two earthquakes will splite the United States into two sections'
After I saw the two earthquakes I began falling again. As I neared the bottom, I once again was jerked back up and bounced three times again like I was bungy jumping. Then the sky opened once again. I looked down and saw 3 severe floods in the United States and a voice said 'three united states cities will be destroyed by the three floods you just saw'
After I saw the three floods I began falling again. This time as I neared the bottom, I bounced four times like I was bungy jumping. The sky opened yet again and I saw what appeared to be four nuclear blasts in the United States and a voice said 'four United States cities will be destroyed by the nuclear blasts you just saw'
Then there was a bright light and I heard another voice (different from the first one) that said 'These things will start happening right after the rapture'
I then woke up and looked at my clock and it was 1:11 I'm always a sound sleeper and there was nothing happening to have woken me up at that time.
Does anyone know what this dream could mean? Could it be a literal dream and the events (of course not the bungy jumping part) happen like I dreamed it? What is the bungy jumping part all about? I've never had a dream like this before. There is one more detail but as I was going to type it in my letter, something told me not to and that it will be given to the person's interpretation I was to believe. I saw which cities were affected although since this was to happen after the rapture and there will be so much other destruction I'm not sure whether I should post them or not.
Thanks for all of the posts. It must be exciting to watch all the dates come and go knowing that the rapture is so close and that one day soon, someone will get the right day.
Sincerely,
Karen Xandra Peters
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Welcome to the Doves, Karen!John
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Exposing false prophets and false prophecies of those who call themselves Christians
Wednesday, December 31, 2008
false prophet Paul Wilson's dog may be sick and he would rather blame demons than take the dog to the vet to be examined
This often happens in dogs that are in temporary pain for some reason (hips, arthritis, twisted gut, etc.) and instead of caring for his dog and making sure she is okay he claims it is "prophetic" or the dog was spooked by "invisible spirits". 8-9 years is getting up there for a dog and it may be arthritis pain or something that a veterinarian needs to check instead of posting it on the five demons ("doves") web site for all the conspiracy kook fruitcake false prophets to discuss how it's a sign the rapture is near.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/paulw1231-1.htm
Paul Wilson (31 Dec 2008) "our dog was really spooked"
Today at about 11:30 AM CST my mom let our dog out and she(our dog) started a weird barks higher pitched kind of a cross between a yelp and a bark and also low growling and all her fur on her back from neck to tail was standing up. When she came in she was very distant didn't lay near one of us like usual and was very quiet. Whatever she saw spooked her but good. She has NEVER been like that before and has NEVER barked like that before and we have had her 8 almost 9 years. For the next few hours she was lethargic and distant and would only go outside to go to the bathroom if one of us went with her which again is NOT like her. She has barked at seemingly nothing(though it may be something we cant see) before or barked at the air but always a normal bark(a woof sound) never this yelp-bark. At about 2:00-2:30PM CDT we let her out again( and went with her since she wouldnt go alone) and she did this yelp bark again and the low growl and then she wanted in without doing anything(i.e. goto the bathroom). After about 3:30 PM CDT she seemed ok again and was her normal self. But something spooked her this morning and she just was not herself for a good 4 hours. Anyone else have a experience like this with there pets??? especially in the last few days???
Paul
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/paulw1231-1.htm
Paul Wilson (31 Dec 2008) "our dog was really spooked"
Today at about 11:30 AM CST my mom let our dog out and she(our dog) started a weird barks higher pitched kind of a cross between a yelp and a bark and also low growling and all her fur on her back from neck to tail was standing up. When she came in she was very distant didn't lay near one of us like usual and was very quiet. Whatever she saw spooked her but good. She has NEVER been like that before and has NEVER barked like that before and we have had her 8 almost 9 years. For the next few hours she was lethargic and distant and would only go outside to go to the bathroom if one of us went with her which again is NOT like her. She has barked at seemingly nothing(though it may be something we cant see) before or barked at the air but always a normal bark(a woof sound) never this yelp-bark. At about 2:00-2:30PM CDT we let her out again( and went with her since she wouldnt go alone) and she did this yelp bark again and the low growl and then she wanted in without doing anything(i.e. goto the bathroom). After about 3:30 PM CDT she seemed ok again and was her normal self. But something spooked her this morning and she just was not herself for a good 4 hours. Anyone else have a experience like this with there pets??? especially in the last few days???
Paul
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fruitcake false prophet 'Rene' sees made up "prophecy number" everywhere she looks
Who cares if 234 is not in the bible and it is only a myth / made up story by false prophet Jim Bramlett several years ago - it is now accepted as doctrine (as false as it is) by the false prophets of the five demons ("doves") web site.
II Tim 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/rene1231-2.htm
Rene (31 Dec 2008) "The strange judgement number - ELEVEN - and 111"
Obvious to most people by now, the number 11 stands for judgement. The world trade centers looked like a HUGE number 11 against the New York skyline before they went down. Some here are looking at the date 1/11 as possible date of rapture and beginning of God's wrath on unregenerate mankind. Interesting that the trade centers came down on 9/11. Here is another 11.
So, is it possible we could be looking at 111 as a significant date??? Realize that the number 1/11 is actually made up of TWO elevens just looking at it --- whether you read it right-to-left or left-to-right or even upside down! The square root of 111 ALSO has the "fish number" in the front of it: 10535653. (Also, if you take THIS number and do a square root, you get the number 234 (Vincent Tan's #) in the first 3 digits: 3245867. Coincidence?
Rene
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II Tim 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/rene1231-2.htm
Rene (31 Dec 2008) "The strange judgement number - ELEVEN - and 111"
Obvious to most people by now, the number 11 stands for judgement. The world trade centers looked like a HUGE number 11 against the New York skyline before they went down. Some here are looking at the date 1/11 as possible date of rapture and beginning of God's wrath on unregenerate mankind. Interesting that the trade centers came down on 9/11. Here is another 11.
So, is it possible we could be looking at 111 as a significant date??? Realize that the number 1/11 is actually made up of TWO elevens just looking at it --- whether you read it right-to-left or left-to-right or even upside down! The square root of 111 ALSO has the "fish number" in the front of it: 10535653. (Also, if you take THIS number and do a square root, you get the number 234 (Vincent Tan's #) in the first 3 digits: 3245867. Coincidence?
Rene
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false prophet Stan Courtney accepts false prophet Ron Reese without question (and no discernment)
Or maybe the false prophets are telling the lies the people want to hear.
II Tim 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/stanc1231.htm
Stan Courtney (31 Dec 2008) "Ron Reese's post about Obama"
I have been following the Five Doves for many years but I seldom post. I read Ron Reese's post about Obama being the AC and October 29th 2008 being the beginning of Daniel’s 70th week. I was confused at first but then I realized that maybe our endtimes thinking is not like we have always thought, just as in Jesus day the Jews understanding was not clear about his first coming. I found Obama's speech for that day on YouTube and although I did not enjoy it I listened to the full 30 minutes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X3eE18dfmE What struck me immediately was his use of the word "week". Yes I know that it was one week until the election but it seems to me that his emphasis was always greatest on this phrase "One Week". In fact he used the word "week" seventeen times during the speech. Perhaps the 29th of October 2008 was the beginning of the "Last week"! Stan Courtney
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II Tim 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/stanc1231.htm
Stan Courtney (31 Dec 2008) "Ron Reese's post about Obama"
I have been following the Five Doves for many years but I seldom post. I read Ron Reese's post about Obama being the AC and October 29th 2008 being the beginning of Daniel’s 70th week. I was confused at first but then I realized that maybe our endtimes thinking is not like we have always thought, just as in Jesus day the Jews understanding was not clear about his first coming. I found Obama's speech for that day on YouTube and although I did not enjoy it I listened to the full 30 minutes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X3eE18dfmE What struck me immediately was his use of the word "week". Yes I know that it was one week until the election but it seems to me that his emphasis was always greatest on this phrase "One Week". In fact he used the word "week" seventeen times during the speech. Perhaps the 29th of October 2008 was the beginning of the "Last week"! Stan Courtney
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Tuesday, December 30, 2008
false prophet Gary Rich - absolutely no discernment when he gives credibility to other five demons ("doves") false prophets
Never mind that in Daniel 11 the difference is 45 days and not 75 like the fruitcake false prophets claim - and the days specified is specifically given from the time of the abomination of desolation which is at the MID POINT of the tribulation.
Do NONE of the false prophets check out ANYTHING that the other false prophets post??? or do they blindly accept anything they read that is posted by confirmed false prophets while ignoring what the bible clearly says???
Because of how the feast days are determined, there is always the same number of days between Yom Kippur and erev Hannukah
Daniel 12
11 "From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/garyr1230-1.htm
Gary Rich (30 Dec 2008) "Re: Ron Reese & January 11, 2009"
Ron, i do completely understand that your research for a January 11th rapture is only a suggested time and not a prediction. Did your posting on Dec 23rd about a possible January 11th rapture get me excited and jumping with joy - of course it did. It had to be the best Christmas present any rapture watcher could hope forI of course right away did a google search for any other possible January 11th rapture suggestions. And several other sites came up. One site in particular has over 150 pages covering why the rapture will happen on January 11, 2009
Two points you made really stand out for me about January 11th. One is the 75 day seperation in Daniel 12:12 - between Oct 29, 2008 and January 11, 2009. And then the same thing happening again in 2015 - from Yom Kippur to the Eve of Hanukkah. That helps to explain why Daniel's 70th week started on October 29, 2008 and yet out rapture hasn't happened yet. This was a new concept that took some time for me to understand. For years we have all been taught by the brightest bible prophecy scholars that the 70th week of Daniel and The 7-yearTribulation period are one and the same. That there is a 75 day difference between the two is a new learning experience for those of us who grew up on the teachings of guys like Hal lindsey and Grant JefferyThe other point you made about the bookend dates : 01-11-09 verses 09-11-01 is just to obvious to believe they are just by chance numbersof course us old time rapture watchers have been down this road many times before. But i think everyone will have to admit that the bibical numbers lining up for a major world event happening on January 11, 2009 - like our rapture flight and the start of the Tribulation Judgements is too obvious to ignore. !
And with just 12 days away now from Jan 11th, we have another Middle-East War kicking off . Will this military conflict between Israel and the Palestinian Arabs grow into a Regional War involving other Arab countries ? Very possible. Iran has already called for all Muslims to help defend the Gaza Arabs and attack Israel. The Arabs north of Israel are threatening to attack Northern Israel with missilesYes i would say that January 11, 2009 is looking real good at the moment for us Christian believers to finally hear our Lord Jesus Christ calling us home !!!
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Do NONE of the false prophets check out ANYTHING that the other false prophets post??? or do they blindly accept anything they read that is posted by confirmed false prophets while ignoring what the bible clearly says???
Because of how the feast days are determined, there is always the same number of days between Yom Kippur and erev Hannukah
Daniel 12
11 "From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/garyr1230-1.htm
Gary Rich (30 Dec 2008) "Re: Ron Reese & January 11, 2009"
Ron, i do completely understand that your research for a January 11th rapture is only a suggested time and not a prediction. Did your posting on Dec 23rd about a possible January 11th rapture get me excited and jumping with joy - of course it did. It had to be the best Christmas present any rapture watcher could hope forI of course right away did a google search for any other possible January 11th rapture suggestions. And several other sites came up. One site in particular has over 150 pages covering why the rapture will happen on January 11, 2009
Two points you made really stand out for me about January 11th. One is the 75 day seperation in Daniel 12:12 - between Oct 29, 2008 and January 11, 2009. And then the same thing happening again in 2015 - from Yom Kippur to the Eve of Hanukkah. That helps to explain why Daniel's 70th week started on October 29, 2008 and yet out rapture hasn't happened yet. This was a new concept that took some time for me to understand. For years we have all been taught by the brightest bible prophecy scholars that the 70th week of Daniel and The 7-yearTribulation period are one and the same. That there is a 75 day difference between the two is a new learning experience for those of us who grew up on the teachings of guys like Hal lindsey and Grant JefferyThe other point you made about the bookend dates : 01-11-09 verses 09-11-01 is just to obvious to believe they are just by chance numbersof course us old time rapture watchers have been down this road many times before. But i think everyone will have to admit that the bibical numbers lining up for a major world event happening on January 11, 2009 - like our rapture flight and the start of the Tribulation Judgements is too obvious to ignore. !
And with just 12 days away now from Jan 11th, we have another Middle-East War kicking off . Will this military conflict between Israel and the Palestinian Arabs grow into a Regional War involving other Arab countries ? Very possible. Iran has already called for all Muslims to help defend the Gaza Arabs and attack Israel. The Arabs north of Israel are threatening to attack Northern Israel with missilesYes i would say that January 11, 2009 is looking real good at the moment for us Christian believers to finally hear our Lord Jesus Christ calling us home !!!
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the five demons ("doves") false prophets are the five foolish virgins
And if the rapture doesn't happen by january 20, all of the foolish false prophets of the five demons ("doves") web site will be off looking for february rapture dates instead of watching and waiting with patience for Messiah Yeshua to return
How do you think a Bridegroom feels when His bride is watching for a date instead of eagerly awaiting for His return at any second as He said to? The foolish false prophets are off looking for january dates instead of staying and watching for the Bridegroom to return.
The head false prophet and owner of the five demons ("doves") web site gave "evidence" the rapture would be in december 2008 (which has hours left) and already the rats (false prophets) are jumping ship and touting false dates from other false prophets.
The false prophets are the foolish virgins - they know Messiah Yeshua is going to return soon but they would rather go offand watch future dates than stay patiently waiting for His return.
Matthew 25
1"At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. 4The wise, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. 5The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.
6"At midnight the cry rang out: 'Here's the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!'
7"Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. 8The foolish ones said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.'
9" 'No,' they replied, 'there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.'
10"But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.
11"Later the others also came. 'Sir! Sir!' they said. 'Open the door for us!'
12"But he replied, 'I tell you the truth, I don't know you.'
13"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/garyr1230-3.htm
Gary Rich (30 Dec 2008) "Re: Rhonda & January 11th"
I had to comment on your posting ref Jan 11th. You mentioned that after reading Ron's Jan 11th article, your spirit soared and your now hopping all around your house. Wow- sounds just like how i felt after reading thru all of the evidence for a major event like our rapture to happen on January 11thi was hanging on big-time to the Hanukkah rapture idea. But after reading thru all the evidence in Ron's article and several others i found , that all pointed to January 11th for both the rapture and sudden destruction to happen, my spirit told me also that this was the time i should be looking at for our rapture departure. Even though Haunkkah still had 6 days left, i knew that i needed to get my heart off a December rapture and look forward two weeks later into Januaryso keep up your joyful hopping Rhonda, i really believe we will be hopping joyfully around our new homes in heaven in January !!!
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How do you think a Bridegroom feels when His bride is watching for a date instead of eagerly awaiting for His return at any second as He said to? The foolish false prophets are off looking for january dates instead of staying and watching for the Bridegroom to return.
The head false prophet and owner of the five demons ("doves") web site gave "evidence" the rapture would be in december 2008 (which has hours left) and already the rats (false prophets) are jumping ship and touting false dates from other false prophets.
The false prophets are the foolish virgins - they know Messiah Yeshua is going to return soon but they would rather go offand watch future dates than stay patiently waiting for His return.
Matthew 25
1"At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. 4The wise, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. 5The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.
6"At midnight the cry rang out: 'Here's the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!'
7"Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. 8The foolish ones said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.'
9" 'No,' they replied, 'there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.'
10"But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.
11"Later the others also came. 'Sir! Sir!' they said. 'Open the door for us!'
12"But he replied, 'I tell you the truth, I don't know you.'
13"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/garyr1230-3.htm
Gary Rich (30 Dec 2008) "Re: Rhonda & January 11th"
I had to comment on your posting ref Jan 11th. You mentioned that after reading Ron's Jan 11th article, your spirit soared and your now hopping all around your house. Wow- sounds just like how i felt after reading thru all of the evidence for a major event like our rapture to happen on January 11thi was hanging on big-time to the Hanukkah rapture idea. But after reading thru all the evidence in Ron's article and several others i found , that all pointed to January 11th for both the rapture and sudden destruction to happen, my spirit told me also that this was the time i should be looking at for our rapture departure. Even though Haunkkah still had 6 days left, i knew that i needed to get my heart off a December rapture and look forward two weeks later into Januaryso keep up your joyful hopping Rhonda, i really believe we will be hopping joyfully around our new homes in heaven in January !!!
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false prophet and antisemite Paul Synder: "the rapture is a "gentile thing" and Israel is a "Jewish thing")
false prophet Paul Synder is one of the biggest antisemitic fools that I have seen on the five demons ("doves") web site. he claims the rapture is "for gentiles" and Israel (and the feasts) is "for Jews" he states this after claiming to have read all through the book of the bible. I guess he missed (or intentionally overlooked) the part where the foreigners with Israel were commanded by G-d to follow Torah and that the gentile believers were grafted into Israel.
Paul Synder is an extremely wicked false prophet who is misleading others with his foolish lies.
Romans 10
12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/pauls1230.htm
Paul Synder (30 Dec 2008) "RAPTURE"
When I began to develop my theology I in the 1930’s my fathers interest in prophesy and the accuracy of it during the war years convinced me of the importance of that study. After the war when I came home and soon realized that the rapture was a beautiful thing to look forward to. The implications are vast and important. So I read straight though the Bible looking for clues. Then I did it again and while it was fresh in my mind Genesis stood out that it was talking about what I had just read in Revalation. So as continued to read I realized that the Book was an integrated whole so it didn’t take long for the Rapture to catch my interest. So when will that come?Eventually I realized that Ezekiel 38 was tied to the rapture and Ezekiel 39 seemed to be the end of an age as chapter 40 on is such a change. At that time very little was said about the Jewish holidays and I didn’t at that time take them into consideration. So they didn’t enter into my thinking. So to the best of my calculations it appeared to me that the two had to be extremely close together. In the church where I grew up prophesy was considered foolish and the hierarchy worked actively against prophesy preachers. Yet I knew that it was wrong to not preach the whole word for when I spoke on prophesy the people flocked to hear. Then there came out a book 88 reasons and I reconsidered and thought well, we will just wait and see. Then there was the 2000 waiting and well you have all been waiting hoping with me too for all of the holidays and we are all still waiting. I know that there a lot of other theories but this one I have held in my heart for many years. I am not dogmatic about it but the rapture is a gentile thing. While I have always thought of Israel as the Jewish thing. A lot of people that should be rapture ready are not. Would it be like the Lord to rapture us and leave a bunch of people who have been mislead or dreaming but are otherwise ready? He was not willing that any should perish either. Perhaps he will send us a warning. Most people miss a great clue to the action in Ezekiel 38 verse 10. They put verse 10 on top of verses 8. These verses refer to two separate actions. Note that the phrase It shall also come to pass, that at the same time, in verse 10 changes the picture. The United States fits the picture much better than Israel. We were gathered from many nations there are many cattle and wealth and most of all we were considered a land without walls and gates when I was young. Besides this Russia has been coveting the US for generations. Since Russia is planning a surprise attack on the U.S. "as soon as they can get away with it" their words, not mine what would be closer to the situation as we see it today. What I would expect it that we will see a nuclear attack among other things but God is able to do anything. It will be scary for the Christians but FEAR NOT. He is in control. Perhaps then month or so the RAPTURE. The Russians will loose when God intervenes some time during the great tribulation.I could go on at length but writing is extremely difficult since I had a stroke.Love to all you Doves and you to John and JimPaul Snyder, W7IGF
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Paul Synder is an extremely wicked false prophet who is misleading others with his foolish lies.
Romans 10
12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/pauls1230.htm
Paul Synder (30 Dec 2008) "RAPTURE"
When I began to develop my theology I in the 1930’s my fathers interest in prophesy and the accuracy of it during the war years convinced me of the importance of that study. After the war when I came home and soon realized that the rapture was a beautiful thing to look forward to. The implications are vast and important. So I read straight though the Bible looking for clues. Then I did it again and while it was fresh in my mind Genesis stood out that it was talking about what I had just read in Revalation. So as continued to read I realized that the Book was an integrated whole so it didn’t take long for the Rapture to catch my interest. So when will that come?Eventually I realized that Ezekiel 38 was tied to the rapture and Ezekiel 39 seemed to be the end of an age as chapter 40 on is such a change. At that time very little was said about the Jewish holidays and I didn’t at that time take them into consideration. So they didn’t enter into my thinking. So to the best of my calculations it appeared to me that the two had to be extremely close together. In the church where I grew up prophesy was considered foolish and the hierarchy worked actively against prophesy preachers. Yet I knew that it was wrong to not preach the whole word for when I spoke on prophesy the people flocked to hear. Then there came out a book 88 reasons and I reconsidered and thought well, we will just wait and see. Then there was the 2000 waiting and well you have all been waiting hoping with me too for all of the holidays and we are all still waiting. I know that there a lot of other theories but this one I have held in my heart for many years. I am not dogmatic about it but the rapture is a gentile thing. While I have always thought of Israel as the Jewish thing. A lot of people that should be rapture ready are not. Would it be like the Lord to rapture us and leave a bunch of people who have been mislead or dreaming but are otherwise ready? He was not willing that any should perish either. Perhaps he will send us a warning. Most people miss a great clue to the action in Ezekiel 38 verse 10. They put verse 10 on top of verses 8. These verses refer to two separate actions. Note that the phrase It shall also come to pass, that at the same time, in verse 10 changes the picture. The United States fits the picture much better than Israel. We were gathered from many nations there are many cattle and wealth and most of all we were considered a land without walls and gates when I was young. Besides this Russia has been coveting the US for generations. Since Russia is planning a surprise attack on the U.S. "as soon as they can get away with it" their words, not mine what would be closer to the situation as we see it today. What I would expect it that we will see a nuclear attack among other things but God is able to do anything. It will be scary for the Christians but FEAR NOT. He is in control. Perhaps then month or so the RAPTURE. The Russians will loose when God intervenes some time during the great tribulation.I could go on at length but writing is extremely difficult since I had a stroke.Love to all you Doves and you to John and JimPaul Snyder, W7IGF
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false prophet 'Eileen'' dream G-d said for her to "release now"
First false prophet 'Eileen' claims to have had a "prophetic" dream in 1988 (how did she know it was "prophetic" ???) and did not felt "led of the lord to release until now" (how does she know it wasn't planted by a demon and the demon is telling her to give it to the false prophets to make fools out of themselves???)
When an angel of G-d gave Daniel a prophecy, he gave the number of days and a clear meaning to the prophecy. When false prophets have dreams, they are never clear nor do they even know any meaning of it - or know for sure whether it was a dream from G-d or implanted by satan. Since Ron Reese is a verified false prophet, it is obvious that the dream false prophet 'Eileen' had is demonic.
II Tim 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
2 Peter 2
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/eileen1230-1.htm
Eileen (30 Dec 2008) "Prophetic Dream"
Dear Doves,
Back in 1988 I had a prophetic dream that I never really understood until I saw Ron Reese’s post about January 11th Sudden Destruction/and or Rapture. I never felt led of the Lord to release this dream until now. Here is the dream:
In the dream I walked into a very large room. The walls were beautiful, and looked like white marble with gold trim. In the middle of this large room was a throne and even though I couldn’t clearly see the face of the person on the throne, it looked like the Pope. There was a red carpet leading up to the throne, with people standing around the carpet weeping. I started to walk up the red carpet when an angel stopped me in my tracks. He was standing to the right of me, wearing brilliant white clothing. In his hand was a scroll. He handed me the scroll, and told me to open it. All of a sudden, the weeping stopped and all eyes were on me as I did as the angel directed me to do. I opened the scroll, and to my surprise, all I saw were five numbers on it:
1 1 1 9 2
That was it. Just five numbers. Puzzled, I looked at the angel and asked him, “What are these numbers?” He answered me and said, “These numbers are a date.” I asked him, “A date of what?” All of a sudden he disappeared and I woke up.
Could the numbers be January 11th, 2009? There are no zeros, but are zeros considered a number in math? When the terrorists hit the twin towers in New York on 09/11, I thought THAT was what the numbers meant. (9/11/2001) Except for the zeros, the exact same numbers are used, as you can see. The same thing for 01/11/2009. Bookend dates, like Ron had alluded to in his post about January 11th, Sudden Destruction/and or Rapture.
We’ll soon see! Even so, come quickly, Lord Jesus!
Eileen
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When an angel of G-d gave Daniel a prophecy, he gave the number of days and a clear meaning to the prophecy. When false prophets have dreams, they are never clear nor do they even know any meaning of it - or know for sure whether it was a dream from G-d or implanted by satan. Since Ron Reese is a verified false prophet, it is obvious that the dream false prophet 'Eileen' had is demonic.
II Tim 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
2 Peter 2
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/eileen1230-1.htm
Eileen (30 Dec 2008) "Prophetic Dream"
Dear Doves,
Back in 1988 I had a prophetic dream that I never really understood until I saw Ron Reese’s post about January 11th Sudden Destruction/and or Rapture. I never felt led of the Lord to release this dream until now. Here is the dream:
In the dream I walked into a very large room. The walls were beautiful, and looked like white marble with gold trim. In the middle of this large room was a throne and even though I couldn’t clearly see the face of the person on the throne, it looked like the Pope. There was a red carpet leading up to the throne, with people standing around the carpet weeping. I started to walk up the red carpet when an angel stopped me in my tracks. He was standing to the right of me, wearing brilliant white clothing. In his hand was a scroll. He handed me the scroll, and told me to open it. All of a sudden, the weeping stopped and all eyes were on me as I did as the angel directed me to do. I opened the scroll, and to my surprise, all I saw were five numbers on it:
1 1 1 9 2
That was it. Just five numbers. Puzzled, I looked at the angel and asked him, “What are these numbers?” He answered me and said, “These numbers are a date.” I asked him, “A date of what?” All of a sudden he disappeared and I woke up.
Could the numbers be January 11th, 2009? There are no zeros, but are zeros considered a number in math? When the terrorists hit the twin towers in New York on 09/11, I thought THAT was what the numbers meant. (9/11/2001) Except for the zeros, the exact same numbers are used, as you can see. The same thing for 01/11/2009. Bookend dates, like Ron had alluded to in his post about January 11th, Sudden Destruction/and or Rapture.
We’ll soon see! Even so, come quickly, Lord Jesus!
Eileen
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Monday, December 29, 2008
According to false prophet Gary Rich, the History Channel "confirms" the rapture will be january 11, 2009
What happened to all the "confirmations" of the rapture being on november 15, 2008, december 21, 2008, december 24, 2008, december 25, 2008, december 26, 2008, december29, 2008, and the false prophecy by five demons ("doves") web site owner the rapture will be in december 2008??? Seems like the rats are jumping ship before all of their previous rapture prophecies have failed - they still have a couple of december 2008 dates left - they bailed on John Tng's false prophecy and jumped onto Ron Reese's false prophecy already. false prophet Gary Rich doesn't know which way to turn - he would rather watch "rapture dates" given by false prophets than watch for Messiah Yeshua. Dates have become an idol of the five demons ("doves")
II Tim 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/garyr1229-2.htm
Gary Rich (29 Dec 2008) "Re: History Channel & Armageddon Week"
Quite interesting timing. We are now looking at Sunday January 11, 2009 for our rapture flight day. And the History Channel has scheduled the week leading up to January 11th a week long series of specials on the Bibical Apocalypse and ArmageddonIs this just another accident of chance, or is God using the nation-wide broadcast of the History Channel's Armageddon specials a final 7 day warning. Ending on January 11th, the day we are expecting Jesus to return for us in the rapture. And beginning of the Tribulation Judgements, or Armageddon as what the world is going to experiencei believe this is just one more final confirmation that we are indeed going to our heavenly homes no later than January 11, 2009 !!!
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II Tim 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/garyr1229-2.htm
Gary Rich (29 Dec 2008) "Re: History Channel & Armageddon Week"
Quite interesting timing. We are now looking at Sunday January 11, 2009 for our rapture flight day. And the History Channel has scheduled the week leading up to January 11th a week long series of specials on the Bibical Apocalypse and ArmageddonIs this just another accident of chance, or is God using the nation-wide broadcast of the History Channel's Armageddon specials a final 7 day warning. Ending on January 11th, the day we are expecting Jesus to return for us in the rapture. And beginning of the Tribulation Judgements, or Armageddon as what the world is going to experiencei believe this is just one more final confirmation that we are indeed going to our heavenly homes no later than January 11, 2009 !!!
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false prophet Gary Rich admits the false prophets are zealous to spread their lies
The most zealous group expecting Messiah Yeshua's return are the false prophets and the demons. They know their time is short and they want people to follow their sun "god" (ba-al / tammuz) and miss the rapture - evenj as they think they are True Christians when they are following LIES.
Matthew 7
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
2 Peter 2
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
Deuteronomy 13
1 If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, "Let us follow other gods" (gods you have not known) "and let us worship them," 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is the LORD your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. 5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death, because he preached rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery; he has tried to turn you from the way the LORD your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/garyr1229-3.htm
Gary Rich (29 Dec 2008) "Re: Jim Bramlett & Can We Know ?"
Jim's latest article titled - " Can we know the time of the Rapture " gives much food for thought on the whole issue. One of the issues Jim talked about really jumped out at me. Its on page three of his article. And i totally believe how true this statement is :" those who are watching and expecting Jesus soon return are probably the most zealous group of witnesses for the gospel among all Christians "very true Jim. I feel the most alive and useful Christians to God's Kingdom are those believers who are watching and expecting the soon return of Jesus Christ. My passion for doing evangelism ministry started around the same time as my passion for watching the signs for the rapture. And i believe that when we finally get to heaven, we will find that the most effective witnesses for the gospel message were those believers who had a passion for wanting Jesus to returnbecause when you really want to live with Jesus in heaven, your going to live a life that pleases Him. Your going to live a life that has eternal value, cause i believe that Christians who want Jesus to return are the ones who want to hear Jesus say to them " well done thy good and faithful servant " !!!
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Matthew 7
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
2 Peter 2
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
Deuteronomy 13
1 If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, "Let us follow other gods" (gods you have not known) "and let us worship them," 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is the LORD your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. 5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death, because he preached rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery; he has tried to turn you from the way the LORD your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/garyr1229-3.htm
Gary Rich (29 Dec 2008) "Re: Jim Bramlett & Can We Know ?"
Jim's latest article titled - " Can we know the time of the Rapture " gives much food for thought on the whole issue. One of the issues Jim talked about really jumped out at me. Its on page three of his article. And i totally believe how true this statement is :" those who are watching and expecting Jesus soon return are probably the most zealous group of witnesses for the gospel among all Christians "very true Jim. I feel the most alive and useful Christians to God's Kingdom are those believers who are watching and expecting the soon return of Jesus Christ. My passion for doing evangelism ministry started around the same time as my passion for watching the signs for the rapture. And i believe that when we finally get to heaven, we will find that the most effective witnesses for the gospel message were those believers who had a passion for wanting Jesus to returnbecause when you really want to live with Jesus in heaven, your going to live a life that pleases Him. Your going to live a life that has eternal value, cause i believe that Christians who want Jesus to return are the ones who want to hear Jesus say to them " well done thy good and faithful servant " !!!
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false prophet Shelva Sirry - wants you to believe her and not use any discernment
Not every miracle or prophecy that comes true is from G-d. satan can perform miracles and THE False Prophet will perform lying signs and miracles - just as Jannes and Jambres did when they tried to stand up to Moses.
Deuteronomy 13
1 If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, "Let us follow other gods" (gods you have not known) "and let us worship them," 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is the LORD your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. 5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death, because he preached rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery; he has tried to turn you from the way the LORD your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.
false prophet Shelva Sirry is a proven false prophet with numerous failed prophecies and false teachings. Yet many people continue to believer her lies and false teachings - and want even more of her false prophecies
II Tim 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/shelvas1229.htm
Shelva Sirry (29 Dec 2008) "Dr. Gary Wood Died, Went To Heaven, & Came Back"
Hi Doves, Most of us are aware of Gary Wood's testimony of his time in Heaven. While he was there God told him there were ten things to happen before Jesus return. The first one was the rebirth of Israel as a nation. He now says ALL ten have been fulfilled with not one left. That is good news for us! Monday morning Gary was on Sid Roth's show "It's Supernatural". You can play this video by going to sidroth.org and clicking on television broadcast. What I heard this morning truly shocked me. I was familiar with his death but not the ongoing miracle in Gary's life. Gary who was a singer was so severely injured in his car wreck the doctors said he would never talk again much less sing. Every word Gary utters is a miracle. His voice box and larynx (vocal cords) are gone. Yet by God's wonderful miracle working power and grace Gary talks and sings! Doctors are amazed when they examine him. How great is our God! What wisdom God uses to show scoffers that Gary actually did die. Today medical persons are saying people may appear to die but were not "clinically" dead. They cannot make the same claim about Gary's voice not being a miracle. Also those people who were bled out at death and had zero blood in their bodies were definately dead before God put back the blood and brought them back to life. Dr. Eby was bled out and dead for over 16 hours. He was hooked up to hospital monitors for the entire time and there was not one sign of life. Indeed there could not be with no blood in his veins. Lazarus had already started to decay! A sign to us modern folks that, yes, he was clinically dead. Kids, you ain't seen nothin' yet! Wait till we see limbs and amputated body parts grow back before our eyes. That is coming in the renewing of miracles before the end. We have had many types of healings up till now. There have been creative miracles but now they are going to flourish! To what end you might ask? As Mark says, to confirm the Word Of God with signs and wonders following. Would you not wonder at a creative miracle? I wonder at Gary's ability to speak. Sinners and lukewarm saints will know there is a God in Heaven and He is concerned with the lives of men on the earth. God will not leave one excuse for people to hide behind for not accepting His gift of salvation. God will not leave Christians any excuse for their unbelief in the supernatural. I give glory to His name! Blessings,Shelva
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Deuteronomy 13
1 If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, "Let us follow other gods" (gods you have not known) "and let us worship them," 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is the LORD your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. 5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death, because he preached rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery; he has tried to turn you from the way the LORD your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.
false prophet Shelva Sirry is a proven false prophet with numerous failed prophecies and false teachings. Yet many people continue to believer her lies and false teachings - and want even more of her false prophecies
II Tim 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/shelvas1229.htm
Shelva Sirry (29 Dec 2008) "Dr. Gary Wood Died, Went To Heaven, & Came Back"
Hi Doves, Most of us are aware of Gary Wood's testimony of his time in Heaven. While he was there God told him there were ten things to happen before Jesus return. The first one was the rebirth of Israel as a nation. He now says ALL ten have been fulfilled with not one left. That is good news for us! Monday morning Gary was on Sid Roth's show "It's Supernatural". You can play this video by going to sidroth.org and clicking on television broadcast. What I heard this morning truly shocked me. I was familiar with his death but not the ongoing miracle in Gary's life. Gary who was a singer was so severely injured in his car wreck the doctors said he would never talk again much less sing. Every word Gary utters is a miracle. His voice box and larynx (vocal cords) are gone. Yet by God's wonderful miracle working power and grace Gary talks and sings! Doctors are amazed when they examine him. How great is our God! What wisdom God uses to show scoffers that Gary actually did die. Today medical persons are saying people may appear to die but were not "clinically" dead. They cannot make the same claim about Gary's voice not being a miracle. Also those people who were bled out at death and had zero blood in their bodies were definately dead before God put back the blood and brought them back to life. Dr. Eby was bled out and dead for over 16 hours. He was hooked up to hospital monitors for the entire time and there was not one sign of life. Indeed there could not be with no blood in his veins. Lazarus had already started to decay! A sign to us modern folks that, yes, he was clinically dead. Kids, you ain't seen nothin' yet! Wait till we see limbs and amputated body parts grow back before our eyes. That is coming in the renewing of miracles before the end. We have had many types of healings up till now. There have been creative miracles but now they are going to flourish! To what end you might ask? As Mark says, to confirm the Word Of God with signs and wonders following. Would you not wonder at a creative miracle? I wonder at Gary's ability to speak. Sinners and lukewarm saints will know there is a God in Heaven and He is concerned with the lives of men on the earth. God will not leave one excuse for people to hide behind for not accepting His gift of salvation. God will not leave Christians any excuse for their unbelief in the supernatural. I give glory to His name! Blessings,Shelva
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false prophet 'Kay' is fear mongering about contrails and the jetstream ("chemtrails")
Nothing like spreading fear mongering and crazy information based on lies and jokes placed on the internet. False prophet 'Kay' is posting links to pictures of airline contrails and the jet stream which some ignorant fools claim are "chemtrails" (chemical spraying by the government to poison people)
Anyone who knows about weather and meteorlogical conditions would know that the pictures are of contrails from airliners and many pictures or of the jetstream (which move contrails at an unbelievable rate)
II Tim 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
I left the links - there are some very nice weather pics - although they are not chemtrails as the fear mongering fools claim.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/kay1229.htm
Kay (29 Dec 2008) "STRANGE DAYS STRANGE SKIES"
This website is a maze, like going down rabbit holes in different directions, made me physically ill to read, but we all must know the facts. This is an evil that is unfathomable.
http://imageevent.com/firesat/strangedaysstrangeskies?z=3&c=4&n=1&m=-1&w=4&x=0&p=14
related offshoots you don't want to miss:
http://www.carnicom.com/morgvid1.htm
Aerosol Crimes Main Page major info here
http://www.organicconsumers.org/
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Anyone who knows about weather and meteorlogical conditions would know that the pictures are of contrails from airliners and many pictures or of the jetstream (which move contrails at an unbelievable rate)
II Tim 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
I left the links - there are some very nice weather pics - although they are not chemtrails as the fear mongering fools claim.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/kay1229.htm
Kay (29 Dec 2008) "STRANGE DAYS STRANGE SKIES"
This website is a maze, like going down rabbit holes in different directions, made me physically ill to read, but we all must know the facts. This is an evil that is unfathomable.
http://imageevent.com/firesat/strangedaysstrangeskies?z=3&c=4&n=1&m=-1&w=4&x=0&p=14
related offshoots you don't want to miss:
http://www.carnicom.com/morgvid1.htm
Aerosol Crimes Main Page major info here
http://www.organicconsumers.org/
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false prophet Jimmy Lishman hears voices
First of all - if G-d was to give someone a prophecy, it would be more than "the time is in labor, even now ? discern this message and send it to those who will hear" --- what type of prophecy is THAT??? Messiah Yeshua said when Israel became a nation that would be the generation that would see the rapture. Labor can happen for a great length of time. Since Messiah Yeshua said to 'Keep Watch' G-d would not have to tell True Believers that the time is soon nor would He use a proven false prophet to send His message out.
Since Jimmy Lishman has already shown to be a false prophet, any voices he hears is suspected to be demonic.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/jimmyl1229.htm
Jimmy Lishman (29 Dec 2008) "Further revealing of the labor pains of time"
Hi John and Doves
“
The word given on 26 December 2008
The LORD gave me a word on Friday afternoon December 26, 2008 and it was as follows:
After asking the LORD the past week, to show me the time (as in what time of the season it was and how close are we) I was travelling in my car with my wife when in a flash all my thoughts were wiped clean and replaced by the following:
“My son, the time is in labor, even now ? discern this message and send it to those who will hear” and in studying scriptures for the term time in labor, I came up with two occurrences in the New Testament (Thessalonica and Revelation) and was immediately led to Thessalonica and the following verses:
1Th 5:3 When people are saying, "Everything is peaceful and secure," then disaster will fall on them as suddenly as a pregnant woman's labor pains begin. And there will be no escape.
If one looks at the context of the word given to me, it falls directly after the Rapture proclamation in 1 Thess 4:15 to 1Thess 5:2
1Th 4:15 We tell you this directly from the Lord: We who are still living when the Lord returns will not meet Him ahead of those who have died.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord Himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, the Christians who have died will rise from their graves.
1Th 4:17 Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. Then we will be with the Lord forever.
1Th 4:18 So encourage each other with these words.
1Th 5:1 Now concerning how and when all this will happen, dear brothers and sisters, we don't really need to write you.
1Th 5:2 For you know quite well that the day of the Lord's return will come unexpectedly, like a thief in the night.
1Th 5:3-6
It is only the unbelievers who are in the dark concerning the Lord's return. Believers, on the other hand, know what's really happening. Comfort one another, says Paul, with the reminder that the Lord's coming is near. At the same time, realize the dark times and the seasons before the Rapture will become increasingly treacherous.
(Jon Courson)
Time is coming soon!
Love in Christ. Looking up and watching for HIS return
One bright hour HE will come for us
Jimmy Lishman
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Since Jimmy Lishman has already shown to be a false prophet, any voices he hears is suspected to be demonic.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/jimmyl1229.htm
Jimmy Lishman (29 Dec 2008) "Further revealing of the labor pains of time"
Hi John and Doves
“
The word given on 26 December 2008
The LORD gave me a word on Friday afternoon December 26, 2008 and it was as follows:
After asking the LORD the past week, to show me the time (as in what time of the season it was and how close are we) I was travelling in my car with my wife when in a flash all my thoughts were wiped clean and replaced by the following:
“My son, the time is in labor, even now ? discern this message and send it to those who will hear” and in studying scriptures for the term time in labor, I came up with two occurrences in the New Testament (Thessalonica and Revelation) and was immediately led to Thessalonica and the following verses:
1Th 5:3 When people are saying, "Everything is peaceful and secure," then disaster will fall on them as suddenly as a pregnant woman's labor pains begin. And there will be no escape.
If one looks at the context of the word given to me, it falls directly after the Rapture proclamation in 1 Thess 4:15 to 1Thess 5:2
1Th 4:15 We tell you this directly from the Lord: We who are still living when the Lord returns will not meet Him ahead of those who have died.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord Himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, the Christians who have died will rise from their graves.
1Th 4:17 Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. Then we will be with the Lord forever.
1Th 4:18 So encourage each other with these words.
1Th 5:1 Now concerning how and when all this will happen, dear brothers and sisters, we don't really need to write you.
1Th 5:2 For you know quite well that the day of the Lord's return will come unexpectedly, like a thief in the night.
1Th 5:3-6
It is only the unbelievers who are in the dark concerning the Lord's return. Believers, on the other hand, know what's really happening. Comfort one another, says Paul, with the reminder that the Lord's coming is near. At the same time, realize the dark times and the seasons before the Rapture will become increasingly treacherous.
(Jon Courson)
Time is coming soon!
Love in Christ. Looking up and watching for HIS return
One bright hour HE will come for us
Jimmy Lishman
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When two fruitcakes collide - false prophet Ron Reese and false prophet Marilyn Agee disagree
false prophet Ron Reese claims the tribulation began on october 29, 2008 because obama gave an infomercial "confirming the covenant" with american voters - never mind it was not a seven year covenant and had nothing to do with Israel. false peophet Marilyn Agee claims the tribulation began on october 21, 2008 because it was a feast day - never mind nobody confirmed anything for any length of time that day. Both false prophet Ron Reese and false prophet Marilyn Agee are fruitcakes who are twisting scripture and prophecying lies just like their followers want them to.
Of course, this is after both false prophets have, for year, prophecied hundreds of false rapture dates which have all failed - and after false prophet Marilyn Agee claimed we could know the date of the rapture and that it was november 15, 2008 (which of course failed)
II Tim 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
2 Timothy 3
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.
2 Peter 2
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
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Marilyn Agee (12 Dec 2008) "Ron Reese: THE MOUNTING EVIDENCE FOR JANUARY 11, 2009, TO BE THE SUDDEN DESTRUCTION / RAPTURE"
From: Marilyn Agee
Re: Ron Reese: THE MOUNTING EVIDENCE FOR JANUARY 11, 2009, TO BE THE SUDDEN DESTRUCTION / RAPTURE
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/dec8-2008.htm
I don't think there will be sudden destruction at the Pre-Trib Rapture, the first trump of God (I Thess. 4:16,17). The Wrath of God follows the Pre-Wrath Rapture, the "last trump" of God. It is the Rapture of I Cor. 15:51,52 (compare Rev. 6:17; 7:14, and 8:1f).
> > We ARE in the 70th Week of Daniel, and we MAY be in the Tribulation. I am just not sure. Because none of the other seal or trumpet judgments have started yet (other than the revealing of the Antichrist to a select few), I am suggesting, at this point in time, that the Tribulation has not started yet.
I agree that the 70th week of Daniel 9:27 has started, and that the Tribulation has not started. We are still here. Luke 21:36 says, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE ALL THESE THINGS that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."
To me, the 70th week of Daniel started Oct. 21, 2008 (the 8th day of Tabernacles) instead of your date, Oct. 29, 2008. That was not a feast day.
To me, the Shortened, 2300-day Tribulation of Dan. 8:13,14, counted by inclusive reckoning, because it is a block of time, will begin next Pentecost, May 29, 2009. The 2300 days would end on the Feast of Trumpets, Sept. 14, 2015. Thus, the Tribulation would start and end on feast days.
THE DAY OF THE LORD, THE DAY OF GOD'S WRATH, WILL BE ON TRUMPETS
Joel 1:14,15; 2:1,2,10,11 says, "Sanctify ye a fast (i.e., the upcoming Day of Atonement, the only feast that is a fast day), call a solemn assembly (i.e., on the Feast of Trumpets), gather the elders and all the inhabitants of the land into the house of the LORD your God, and cry unto the LORD, Alas for the day! for the DAY OF THE LORD is at hand, and as A DESTRUCTION FROM THE ALMIGHTY shall it come. Blow ye the TRUMPET in Zion, and SOUND AN ALARM in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the DAY OF THE LORD cometh, for it IS NIGH AT HAND; A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong (Gog's army); there hath not been ever the like (i.e., not at the beginning of the Tribulation), neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations....The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: THE SUN AND THE MOON SHALL BE DARK, and the stars shall withdraw their shining: And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the DAY OF THE LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?"
Jdg 7:18 says, "When I blow with a TRUMPET, I and all that are with me, then blow ye the trumpets also on every side of all the camp, and say, THE SWORD OF THE LORD, and of Gideon." This is a type. The Sword of the Lord is the asteroid Wormwood, Rev. 8:8-11.
Wormwood is Satan's home. Isa. 22:16-19 says, "What hast thou here? (Babylon) and whom hast thou here (the Satan-possessed False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock? Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. HE WILL SURELY VIOLENTLY TURN AND TOSS THEE LIKE A BALL into a large country (one piece will hit the Mediterranean Sea, the other will destroy the rebuilt Babylon, Iraq): there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down."
Jer.4:5,6 says, "Blow ye the TRUMPET in the land: cry, gather together, and say, Assemble yourselves, and let us go into the defenced cities. Set up the standard toward Zion: retire, stay not: for I WILL BRING EVIL FROM THE NORTH, AND A GREAT DESTRUCTION".
Jer 4:19,20 says, "I cannot hold my peace, because thou hast heard, O my soul, the sound of the TRUMPET, THE ALARM OF WAR. DESTRUCTION UPON DESTRUCTION is cried; for the whole land is spoiled".
Eze 7:12-14 says, "THE TIME IS COME, the day draweth near: let not the buyer rejoice, nor the seller mourn: for WRATH is upon all the multitude thereof. For the seller shall not return to that which is sold, although they were yet alive: for the vision is touching the whole multitude thereof, which shall not return; neither shall any strengthen himself in the iniquity of his life. They have blown the TRUMPET, even to make all ready; but none goeth to the battle: for MY WRATH IS UPON ALL the multitude thereof."
Zeph 1:14-16 says, "The great DAY OF THE LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly. That day is A DAY OF WRATH, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness, A DAY OF THE TRUMPET AND ALARM against the fenced cities, and against the high towers." Every wall will fall; Eze. 38:20.
Zech 9:14,15 says, "And THE LORD SHALL BE SEEN OVER THEM (i.e., the Sign of the Son of Man; Mt. 24:30), and his arrow shall go forth as the lightning: and THE LORD GOD SHALL BLOW THE TRUMPET (i.e., it is the Pre-Wrath Rapture, I Cor. 15:51,52), and shall go with whirlwinds of the south.The LORD of hosts shall defend them".
The Tribulation
> > It may start with the Rapture. It may start with the Sudden Destruction. It may start with both at the same time. It could even start with a peace treaty involving Israel. Could it be possible that the 70th Week of Daniel and the 7-year Tribulation overlap by 75 days, the 75 days of Daniel 12:12? I believe it is quite possible because there has been no Rapture and no cataclysmic event to kick off the Tribulation.
THE TRIBULATION STARTS WITH PEACE AND ENDS WITH DESTRUCTION
Rev 6:1-4 says, "I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he (the 1st beast of Rev. 13) that sat on him had a bow (toxon, simple fabric, sign of a religious leader, a man of the cloth, probably the Tribulation Pope); and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon TO TAKE PEACE FROM THE EARTH, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword."
> > Dan 12:12 says, "Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days."> > So, I am suggesting the possibility of a 2nd 2520-day period that will end when the millennium begins, which should be Dec. 6-7, 2015, the 24th of Chisleu (Haggai 2), the eve of Hanukkah, which begins the historic and future annual celebration of the completion and the rededication of the new Temple in Jerusalem, where Christ will dwell during His one-thousand-year reign.> > If you back up 2520 days, or 7 Jewish years, from this date, it will take you to January 11, 2009, for the first day of this 7-year period. For simplicity sakes, let’s just call this 2520-day period the Tribulation, as opposed to the 70th Week of Daniel. Is it really that much of a stretch to call cleaning up the aftermath of the Battle of Armageddon and the Judgment of the Nations part of the Tribulation?
THE SEVEN MONTHS BETWEEN GOD'S WRATH AND THE SECOND ADVENT
Day of God's Wrath, Eze. 38:18-20 says, "And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face. For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence (i.e., when the Sign of the Son of Man is seen in the sky; Mt. 24:30), and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground."
Eze. 39:12,13 says, "And SEVEN MONTHS shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD." He will be glorified at the Second Advent.
I think the Day of God's Wrath will be the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5776, Sept. 14, 2015, and the Day of the Second Advent will be the following Nisan 1, 5776, April 9, 2016. That will be the first day of the Regnal Year. He would be inaugurated on the same day as all the other Hebrew kings. It would be the first day of the Jubilee Year.
> > Is it not possible that the 70th Week of Daniel concludes with the Second Coming of Jesus, when God is finished judging Israel?
I don't think so. Dan. 9:27 ends with the destruction on the Day of God's Wrath. It says, "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until THE CONSUMMATION, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."
> > "And is it not possible that the 7-year Tribulation concludes with the judgment of nations and the actual start of the Millennium? This would make it possible for us to right now be in a 75-day period of grace, from Oct. 29, 2008 until January 11, 2009, the actual start of the 7-year Tribulation. There could possibly be TWO 2520-day periods, overlapping by the 75 days of Daniel 12:12.
I don't think there will be two 2520-day periods, just one that probably started on Oct. 21, 2008, the 8th day of Tabernacles, and will end on the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5766, Sept. 14, 2015. I think the 2300-day Shortened Tribulation will start on next Pentecost, May 29, 2009, and end on Sept. 14. 2015. the first day of the Millennium. Jesus will be seated as judge at the Judgment Seat of Christ in Heaven during the silence on Earth and in Heaven.
Rev. 8:1 says, "And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was SILENCE IN HEAVEN about the space of half an hour." Hab 2:20 says, "the LORD is in his holy temple: let all the EARTH KEEP SILENCE before him."
> > So, what other evidence do we have pointing us towards January 11, 2009? With all of the 7-11 signs that I experienced in less than three weeks time, I remain, more than ever, confident that the Lord stopped my watch for a reason, EXACTLY when He did. In all four confirmations the 7 came before the 11. So, rather than 11 days before the completion (7) of 2008, why not ELEVEN DAYS AFTER THE COMPLETION (7 is God’s number of completion) OF 2008. That would take us to JANUARY 11, 2009!> > The SEVEN seal judgments, the SEVEN trumpet judgments, and the SEVEN vial judgments, could begin on Jan. 11, 2009. The COMPLETION of the Bride of Christ could take place on this day. ELEVEN IS THE NUMBER OF JUDGMENT AND DISORDER!!! What a great description of the judgments of Revelation.> > Dec. 1, 2008, was the day my watch stopped. 21 (7+7+7) days after my watch stops at ELEVEN minutes to SEVEN, the Lord wakes me up early in the morning and helps me piece all this info together pointing toward Jan. 11, 2009. 21 days after the day I am composing this post, will be Jan. 11, 2009. Two separate 21- day periods. 42 days in all. From Dec. 1, 2008, the day my watch mysteriously stopped at 11 minutes to 7, until January 11, 2009, is 42 DAYS.
I go by what the Scripture says. In Mark 13:23, Jesus said, "But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you ALL THINGS." ALL the clues we need are in the Bible. Amos 3:7says, "Surely (kiy, certainly) the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets." Dan 12:10 says, "none of the wicked shall understand; but THE WISE SHALL UNDERSTAND." I want to be one of the wise who understand."
We can dump all the puzzle pieces out on the table, and try to figure out how they all fit together, but we are not allowed to take away or add pieces. The puzzle can be completed with what we already have; Rev. 22:18 says, "If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book".
> > Christ returns with his saints on Feast of Atonement, Sept. 23, 2015, the VERY DAY that so many time frames and signs and events were pointing towards. 75 DAYS later takes us to Dec. 6-7, 2015, or Chisleu 24, or Hanukkah eve, THE PERFECT DAY FOR THE 1000-REIGN OF JESUS CHRIST TO BEGIN!!!
I think the Millennial reign of Jesus will begin in Heaven on the Feast of Trumpets that is the end of the 2300-day Shortened Tribulation on Earth, and that his Second Advent will be 7 months later, on Nisan 1, when the Jubilee Year starts.
Rev 11:15-19 tells about the first day of Jesus' millennial rule. It says, "the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall REIGN for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art (i.e., on the Day of God's Wrath), and wast (at the First Advent), and ART TO COME (i.e., at the Second Advent 7 months later); because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and THY WRATH IS COME, AND THE TIME OF THE DEAD, THAT THEY SHOULD BE JUDGED, AND THAT YOU SHOULDEST GIVE REWARD UNTO THY SERVANTS THE PROPHETS, AND TO THE SAINTS, AND THEM THAT FEAR THY NAME, SMALL AND GREAT; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail."
Daniel 12:11 speaks of another 30 days. I think this is because the year 5776 is a Jewish Leap Year with the 13th month. That extra month is necessary, because there are to be 7 months between Tishri 1 and Nisan 1, 5776, not the usual 6.
Examine the scriptures and see if these things are so. I am not a prophet, just someone that has studied the Bible as hard as I can go for the last 48 years. I am trying to work the end-time puzzle the same as you are. Maybe if we put our heads together, we can get farther than either of us can manage alone. Keep hunting those puzzle pieces we haven't been able to put into the big picture yet.Agape,Marilyn Ageemjagee@verizon.nethttp://prophecycorner.com/agee/index.html
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Of course, this is after both false prophets have, for year, prophecied hundreds of false rapture dates which have all failed - and after false prophet Marilyn Agee claimed we could know the date of the rapture and that it was november 15, 2008 (which of course failed)
II Tim 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
2 Timothy 3
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.
2 Peter 2
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
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Marilyn Agee (12 Dec 2008) "Ron Reese: THE MOUNTING EVIDENCE FOR JANUARY 11, 2009, TO BE THE SUDDEN DESTRUCTION / RAPTURE"
From: Marilyn Agee
Re: Ron Reese: THE MOUNTING EVIDENCE FOR JANUARY 11, 2009, TO BE THE SUDDEN DESTRUCTION / RAPTURE
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/dec8-2008.htm
I don't think there will be sudden destruction at the Pre-Trib Rapture, the first trump of God (I Thess. 4:16,17). The Wrath of God follows the Pre-Wrath Rapture, the "last trump" of God. It is the Rapture of I Cor. 15:51,52 (compare Rev. 6:17; 7:14, and 8:1f).
> > We ARE in the 70th Week of Daniel, and we MAY be in the Tribulation. I am just not sure. Because none of the other seal or trumpet judgments have started yet (other than the revealing of the Antichrist to a select few), I am suggesting, at this point in time, that the Tribulation has not started yet.
I agree that the 70th week of Daniel 9:27 has started, and that the Tribulation has not started. We are still here. Luke 21:36 says, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE ALL THESE THINGS that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."
To me, the 70th week of Daniel started Oct. 21, 2008 (the 8th day of Tabernacles) instead of your date, Oct. 29, 2008. That was not a feast day.
To me, the Shortened, 2300-day Tribulation of Dan. 8:13,14, counted by inclusive reckoning, because it is a block of time, will begin next Pentecost, May 29, 2009. The 2300 days would end on the Feast of Trumpets, Sept. 14, 2015. Thus, the Tribulation would start and end on feast days.
THE DAY OF THE LORD, THE DAY OF GOD'S WRATH, WILL BE ON TRUMPETS
Joel 1:14,15; 2:1,2,10,11 says, "Sanctify ye a fast (i.e., the upcoming Day of Atonement, the only feast that is a fast day), call a solemn assembly (i.e., on the Feast of Trumpets), gather the elders and all the inhabitants of the land into the house of the LORD your God, and cry unto the LORD, Alas for the day! for the DAY OF THE LORD is at hand, and as A DESTRUCTION FROM THE ALMIGHTY shall it come. Blow ye the TRUMPET in Zion, and SOUND AN ALARM in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the DAY OF THE LORD cometh, for it IS NIGH AT HAND; A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong (Gog's army); there hath not been ever the like (i.e., not at the beginning of the Tribulation), neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations....The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: THE SUN AND THE MOON SHALL BE DARK, and the stars shall withdraw their shining: And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the DAY OF THE LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?"
Jdg 7:18 says, "When I blow with a TRUMPET, I and all that are with me, then blow ye the trumpets also on every side of all the camp, and say, THE SWORD OF THE LORD, and of Gideon." This is a type. The Sword of the Lord is the asteroid Wormwood, Rev. 8:8-11.
Wormwood is Satan's home. Isa. 22:16-19 says, "What hast thou here? (Babylon) and whom hast thou here (the Satan-possessed False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock? Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. HE WILL SURELY VIOLENTLY TURN AND TOSS THEE LIKE A BALL into a large country (one piece will hit the Mediterranean Sea, the other will destroy the rebuilt Babylon, Iraq): there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down."
Jer.4:5,6 says, "Blow ye the TRUMPET in the land: cry, gather together, and say, Assemble yourselves, and let us go into the defenced cities. Set up the standard toward Zion: retire, stay not: for I WILL BRING EVIL FROM THE NORTH, AND A GREAT DESTRUCTION".
Jer 4:19,20 says, "I cannot hold my peace, because thou hast heard, O my soul, the sound of the TRUMPET, THE ALARM OF WAR. DESTRUCTION UPON DESTRUCTION is cried; for the whole land is spoiled".
Eze 7:12-14 says, "THE TIME IS COME, the day draweth near: let not the buyer rejoice, nor the seller mourn: for WRATH is upon all the multitude thereof. For the seller shall not return to that which is sold, although they were yet alive: for the vision is touching the whole multitude thereof, which shall not return; neither shall any strengthen himself in the iniquity of his life. They have blown the TRUMPET, even to make all ready; but none goeth to the battle: for MY WRATH IS UPON ALL the multitude thereof."
Zeph 1:14-16 says, "The great DAY OF THE LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly. That day is A DAY OF WRATH, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness, A DAY OF THE TRUMPET AND ALARM against the fenced cities, and against the high towers." Every wall will fall; Eze. 38:20.
Zech 9:14,15 says, "And THE LORD SHALL BE SEEN OVER THEM (i.e., the Sign of the Son of Man; Mt. 24:30), and his arrow shall go forth as the lightning: and THE LORD GOD SHALL BLOW THE TRUMPET (i.e., it is the Pre-Wrath Rapture, I Cor. 15:51,52), and shall go with whirlwinds of the south.The LORD of hosts shall defend them".
The Tribulation
> > It may start with the Rapture. It may start with the Sudden Destruction. It may start with both at the same time. It could even start with a peace treaty involving Israel. Could it be possible that the 70th Week of Daniel and the 7-year Tribulation overlap by 75 days, the 75 days of Daniel 12:12? I believe it is quite possible because there has been no Rapture and no cataclysmic event to kick off the Tribulation.
THE TRIBULATION STARTS WITH PEACE AND ENDS WITH DESTRUCTION
Rev 6:1-4 says, "I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he (the 1st beast of Rev. 13) that sat on him had a bow (toxon, simple fabric, sign of a religious leader, a man of the cloth, probably the Tribulation Pope); and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon TO TAKE PEACE FROM THE EARTH, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword."
> > Dan 12:12 says, "Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days."> > So, I am suggesting the possibility of a 2nd 2520-day period that will end when the millennium begins, which should be Dec. 6-7, 2015, the 24th of Chisleu (Haggai 2), the eve of Hanukkah, which begins the historic and future annual celebration of the completion and the rededication of the new Temple in Jerusalem, where Christ will dwell during His one-thousand-year reign.> > If you back up 2520 days, or 7 Jewish years, from this date, it will take you to January 11, 2009, for the first day of this 7-year period. For simplicity sakes, let’s just call this 2520-day period the Tribulation, as opposed to the 70th Week of Daniel. Is it really that much of a stretch to call cleaning up the aftermath of the Battle of Armageddon and the Judgment of the Nations part of the Tribulation?
THE SEVEN MONTHS BETWEEN GOD'S WRATH AND THE SECOND ADVENT
Day of God's Wrath, Eze. 38:18-20 says, "And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face. For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence (i.e., when the Sign of the Son of Man is seen in the sky; Mt. 24:30), and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground."
Eze. 39:12,13 says, "And SEVEN MONTHS shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD." He will be glorified at the Second Advent.
I think the Day of God's Wrath will be the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5776, Sept. 14, 2015, and the Day of the Second Advent will be the following Nisan 1, 5776, April 9, 2016. That will be the first day of the Regnal Year. He would be inaugurated on the same day as all the other Hebrew kings. It would be the first day of the Jubilee Year.
> > Is it not possible that the 70th Week of Daniel concludes with the Second Coming of Jesus, when God is finished judging Israel?
I don't think so. Dan. 9:27 ends with the destruction on the Day of God's Wrath. It says, "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until THE CONSUMMATION, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."
> > "And is it not possible that the 7-year Tribulation concludes with the judgment of nations and the actual start of the Millennium? This would make it possible for us to right now be in a 75-day period of grace, from Oct. 29, 2008 until January 11, 2009, the actual start of the 7-year Tribulation. There could possibly be TWO 2520-day periods, overlapping by the 75 days of Daniel 12:12.
I don't think there will be two 2520-day periods, just one that probably started on Oct. 21, 2008, the 8th day of Tabernacles, and will end on the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5766, Sept. 14, 2015. I think the 2300-day Shortened Tribulation will start on next Pentecost, May 29, 2009, and end on Sept. 14. 2015. the first day of the Millennium. Jesus will be seated as judge at the Judgment Seat of Christ in Heaven during the silence on Earth and in Heaven.
Rev. 8:1 says, "And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was SILENCE IN HEAVEN about the space of half an hour." Hab 2:20 says, "the LORD is in his holy temple: let all the EARTH KEEP SILENCE before him."
> > So, what other evidence do we have pointing us towards January 11, 2009? With all of the 7-11 signs that I experienced in less than three weeks time, I remain, more than ever, confident that the Lord stopped my watch for a reason, EXACTLY when He did. In all four confirmations the 7 came before the 11. So, rather than 11 days before the completion (7) of 2008, why not ELEVEN DAYS AFTER THE COMPLETION (7 is God’s number of completion) OF 2008. That would take us to JANUARY 11, 2009!> > The SEVEN seal judgments, the SEVEN trumpet judgments, and the SEVEN vial judgments, could begin on Jan. 11, 2009. The COMPLETION of the Bride of Christ could take place on this day. ELEVEN IS THE NUMBER OF JUDGMENT AND DISORDER!!! What a great description of the judgments of Revelation.> > Dec. 1, 2008, was the day my watch stopped. 21 (7+7+7) days after my watch stops at ELEVEN minutes to SEVEN, the Lord wakes me up early in the morning and helps me piece all this info together pointing toward Jan. 11, 2009. 21 days after the day I am composing this post, will be Jan. 11, 2009. Two separate 21- day periods. 42 days in all. From Dec. 1, 2008, the day my watch mysteriously stopped at 11 minutes to 7, until January 11, 2009, is 42 DAYS.
I go by what the Scripture says. In Mark 13:23, Jesus said, "But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you ALL THINGS." ALL the clues we need are in the Bible. Amos 3:7says, "Surely (kiy, certainly) the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets." Dan 12:10 says, "none of the wicked shall understand; but THE WISE SHALL UNDERSTAND." I want to be one of the wise who understand."
We can dump all the puzzle pieces out on the table, and try to figure out how they all fit together, but we are not allowed to take away or add pieces. The puzzle can be completed with what we already have; Rev. 22:18 says, "If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book".
> > Christ returns with his saints on Feast of Atonement, Sept. 23, 2015, the VERY DAY that so many time frames and signs and events were pointing towards. 75 DAYS later takes us to Dec. 6-7, 2015, or Chisleu 24, or Hanukkah eve, THE PERFECT DAY FOR THE 1000-REIGN OF JESUS CHRIST TO BEGIN!!!
I think the Millennial reign of Jesus will begin in Heaven on the Feast of Trumpets that is the end of the 2300-day Shortened Tribulation on Earth, and that his Second Advent will be 7 months later, on Nisan 1, when the Jubilee Year starts.
Rev 11:15-19 tells about the first day of Jesus' millennial rule. It says, "the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall REIGN for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art (i.e., on the Day of God's Wrath), and wast (at the First Advent), and ART TO COME (i.e., at the Second Advent 7 months later); because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and THY WRATH IS COME, AND THE TIME OF THE DEAD, THAT THEY SHOULD BE JUDGED, AND THAT YOU SHOULDEST GIVE REWARD UNTO THY SERVANTS THE PROPHETS, AND TO THE SAINTS, AND THEM THAT FEAR THY NAME, SMALL AND GREAT; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail."
Daniel 12:11 speaks of another 30 days. I think this is because the year 5776 is a Jewish Leap Year with the 13th month. That extra month is necessary, because there are to be 7 months between Tishri 1 and Nisan 1, 5776, not the usual 6.
Examine the scriptures and see if these things are so. I am not a prophet, just someone that has studied the Bible as hard as I can go for the last 48 years. I am trying to work the end-time puzzle the same as you are. Maybe if we put our heads together, we can get farther than either of us can manage alone. Keep hunting those puzzle pieces we haven't been able to put into the big picture yet.Agape,Marilyn Ageemjagee@verizon.nethttp://prophecycorner.com/agee/index.html
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false prophet Carol Garza listens to the lightning "spirit"; has been watching for Messiah Yeshua since antimessiah pope john paul 2 died
false prophet Carol Garza heard lightning this morning so she's sure G-d used it as a sign to tell her the rapture would be soon. She's been watching for the rapture since satanist john paul 2 (catholic pope) died. She thinks the lightning was a "confirmation" that false prophet Ron Reese false prophecy of the rapture happening on january 11, 2009 will actually happen.
Deuteronomy 18:10-12 "There shall not be found among you anyone who uses divination or who practices witchcraft or one who interprets omens or is a sorcerer or who casts a spell or is a medium or a spiritist or who calls up the dead. For whosoever does these things is detestable to the Lord."
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/carolg1229.htm
Carol Garza (29 Dec 2008) "Exodus 19:10-11, & 16"
Greetings in the Beloved Name of Yeshua, our KING and soon Bridegroom!
I am soo exceedingly Thankful for this site, for saints like you who are also watchmen, on the alert, praying and sounding the alarm!
In a moment I will share a sign the LORD gave me this morning but first I want to share what led up to it.
For starters, God TV, Charles Capp plus others like him, , and this site has me leaping and Praising God for all the End Times revelations He is providing to those who LOVE HIS APPEARING.
I have been a SERIOUS 'Watchman (woman ) since Pope John Paul II's death in 2005.
Last night after considering what I've been learning from this site, & the scriptures I'm about to share, I asked the LORD to give me a sign telling me He indeed is coming, very, very SOON....perhaps January 11.
I am so wanting to say 'YES!! THAT IS THE DAY!!'. My heart, my spirit is leaping for JOY because I do believe that is the day!
Here are the scriptures.
Exodus 19:10-11 (NLT-New Living Translation)
Then the Lord told Moses, “Go down and prepare the people for my arrival. Consecrate them today and tomorrow, and have them wash their clothing.
Be sure they are ready on the third day, for on that day the Lord will come down on Mount Sinai as all the people watch.
Today and Tomorrow signify 2 days.
A day unto the Lord is like a Thousand years.
2 days must then mean 2 thousand years.
We are to prepare the LORD'S people for HIS arrival!
For two thousand years, the saints have been washing their robes in the Blood of the Lamb that we might present ourselves before the King pure & spotless, without spot or wrinkle.
Exodus 19:16
On the morning of the third day, thunder roared and lightning flashed, and a dense cloud came down on the mountain. There was a long, loud blast from a ram’s horn, (the voice of the Trumpet exceedingly LOUD) and all the people trembled.
I checked the calendar to see what day January 11 fell on...and sure enough, it falls on Sunday.
As I write this letter to you, it is Sunday, (the third day) December 28, 2008.
I live in San Antonio, Tx. We have been in a drought for some time now. This morning, we were awoken by Thunder and Lightning and a quick shower. It only lasted 5-10 minutes at best. It is still cloudy outside though.
I didn't think much of it at first as I was awoken not only by the noise but by my barking dogs.
Upon getting up, those scriptures came to mind.
I realized today was Sunday morning [The LORD'S day]...(The third day). Of COURSE, I hoped for today... ))
I then remembered I asked God to give me a sign last night as I was going to bed. Since He is giving His watchmen sooo many signs through the Word of God, dreams, visions, revelation, it wouldn't hurt to ask!
Recap:
Exodus 19:16
On the morning of the third day,
thunder roared and lightning flashed, and
a dense cloud came down on the mountain.
There was a long, loud blast from a ram’s horn, (the voice of the Trumpet exceedingly LOUD) and all the people trembled.
I asked for a sign last night as I was going to bed.
This morning (Sunday morning, NOT Sunday afternoon or evening) , "Thunder roared and lightning flashed" all beit 5 plus minutes.
January 11 falls on a Sunday. It is the LORD'S DAY..commemorating His Resurrection.
Keep looking up !
For the Spirit and the BRIDE say "Come QUICKLY LORD JESUS! Come QUICKLY!"
Your friend in Christ,
Carol Garza__Welcome to the Doves, Carol!John
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Deuteronomy 18:10-12 "There shall not be found among you anyone who uses divination or who practices witchcraft or one who interprets omens or is a sorcerer or who casts a spell or is a medium or a spiritist or who calls up the dead. For whosoever does these things is detestable to the Lord."
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/carolg1229.htm
Carol Garza (29 Dec 2008) "Exodus 19:10-11, & 16"
Greetings in the Beloved Name of Yeshua, our KING and soon Bridegroom!
I am soo exceedingly Thankful for this site, for saints like you who are also watchmen, on the alert, praying and sounding the alarm!
In a moment I will share a sign the LORD gave me this morning but first I want to share what led up to it.
For starters, God TV, Charles Capp plus others like him, , and this site has me leaping and Praising God for all the End Times revelations He is providing to those who LOVE HIS APPEARING.
I have been a SERIOUS 'Watchman (woman ) since Pope John Paul II's death in 2005.
Last night after considering what I've been learning from this site, & the scriptures I'm about to share, I asked the LORD to give me a sign telling me He indeed is coming, very, very SOON....perhaps January 11.
I am so wanting to say 'YES!! THAT IS THE DAY!!'. My heart, my spirit is leaping for JOY because I do believe that is the day!
Here are the scriptures.
Exodus 19:10-11 (NLT-New Living Translation)
Then the Lord told Moses, “Go down and prepare the people for my arrival. Consecrate them today and tomorrow, and have them wash their clothing.
Be sure they are ready on the third day, for on that day the Lord will come down on Mount Sinai as all the people watch.
Today and Tomorrow signify 2 days.
A day unto the Lord is like a Thousand years.
2 days must then mean 2 thousand years.
We are to prepare the LORD'S people for HIS arrival!
For two thousand years, the saints have been washing their robes in the Blood of the Lamb that we might present ourselves before the King pure & spotless, without spot or wrinkle.
Exodus 19:16
On the morning of the third day, thunder roared and lightning flashed, and a dense cloud came down on the mountain. There was a long, loud blast from a ram’s horn, (the voice of the Trumpet exceedingly LOUD) and all the people trembled.
I checked the calendar to see what day January 11 fell on...and sure enough, it falls on Sunday.
As I write this letter to you, it is Sunday, (the third day) December 28, 2008.
I live in San Antonio, Tx. We have been in a drought for some time now. This morning, we were awoken by Thunder and Lightning and a quick shower. It only lasted 5-10 minutes at best. It is still cloudy outside though.
I didn't think much of it at first as I was awoken not only by the noise but by my barking dogs.
Upon getting up, those scriptures came to mind.
I realized today was Sunday morning [The LORD'S day]...(The third day). Of COURSE, I hoped for today... ))
I then remembered I asked God to give me a sign last night as I was going to bed. Since He is giving His watchmen sooo many signs through the Word of God, dreams, visions, revelation, it wouldn't hurt to ask!
Recap:
Exodus 19:16
On the morning of the third day,
thunder roared and lightning flashed, and
a dense cloud came down on the mountain.
There was a long, loud blast from a ram’s horn, (the voice of the Trumpet exceedingly LOUD) and all the people trembled.
I asked for a sign last night as I was going to bed.
This morning (Sunday morning, NOT Sunday afternoon or evening) , "Thunder roared and lightning flashed" all beit 5 plus minutes.
January 11 falls on a Sunday. It is the LORD'S DAY..commemorating His Resurrection.
Keep looking up !
For the Spirit and the BRIDE say "Come QUICKLY LORD JESUS! Come QUICKLY!"
Your friend in Christ,
Carol Garza__Welcome to the Doves, Carol!John
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false prophet Bruce Warner gives Messiah Yeshua a time limit to return by
And what happens if Messiah yeshua doesn't come before May 29th? will false prophet Bruce Warner stop "watching" or what??? Why does false prophet Bruce Warner feel like he can give Messiah Yeshua a timeline to return by??? and why does he even do so???
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/brucew1229.htm
Bruce Warner (29 Dec 2008) "HOW ABOUT MAKING THIS YOUR 'NEW YEAR'S RESOLUTION' FOR 2009"
Dear Doves,
Instead of looking for 'A SIGN' that Jesus tells us 'WILL NOT BE GIVEN TO THIS WICKED GENERATION', let's all watch for HIM TO APPEAR each day from New Years Day January 1st through Pentecost May 29th. That narrows it down to a 'five-month period' in the span of time since the Crucifixion of our Lord. I believe that we all will be 'pleasantly surprised' on or before Pentecost 2009!
Come Lord Jesus!
Bruce Warner
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/brucew1229.htm
Bruce Warner (29 Dec 2008) "HOW ABOUT MAKING THIS YOUR 'NEW YEAR'S RESOLUTION' FOR 2009"
Dear Doves,
Instead of looking for 'A SIGN' that Jesus tells us 'WILL NOT BE GIVEN TO THIS WICKED GENERATION', let's all watch for HIM TO APPEAR each day from New Years Day January 1st through Pentecost May 29th. That narrows it down to a 'five-month period' in the span of time since the Crucifixion of our Lord. I believe that we all will be 'pleasantly surprised' on or before Pentecost 2009!
Come Lord Jesus!
Bruce Warner
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Saturday, December 27, 2008
false prophet Gary Rich - The rapture "has to happen" by january 11, 2009 - because false prophet Ron Reese says so
false prophet Gary Rich is claiming the rapture has to happen by january 11, 2009 because false prophet Ron Reese said the tribulation began on october 29, 2008 when obama had his infomercial (which he claims is the "covenant with many" and makes obama the antimessiah - according to them) Then false prophet Gary Rich grabs a 75 days in Daniel 12:12 (actually in verse 11 --- which this passage says will be at the END of the tribulation, not the beginning as false prophet Gary Rich is stating) because it is 75 days from october 29, 2008 to january 11, 2009. Unfortunately for false prophet Gary Rich, Daniel 12:11-12 is clearly 45 days (NOT 75 as false prophet Gary Rich states) at the END of the tribulation - not at the beginning:
Daniel 12
11"From the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.
12"How blessed is he who keeps waiting and attains to the 1,335 days!
1335 - 1290 = 45 days --- NOT 75 days!!!
The 1290 days is from when the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up - which is the mid point of the seven year tribulation --- Clearly there is NO WAY this is about any time in 2008 or 2009 and is a clear LIE and twisting of scripture by false prophet Gary Rich to agree with the LIES and false prophecies of false prophet Ron Reese!
2 Peter 2
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/garyr1227-1.htm
Gary Rich (27 Dec 2008) "January 11, 2009 bibical rapture numbers"
I wanted to say a big Thank You to Ron Reese for giving us the biggest Christmas present ever. God brought you Ron out of bible prophecy retirement to give all us rapture watchers hope and excitement in these last days. And your posting about our rapture flight on January 11th sure has brightened my Christmas spiritafter reading thru your entire research article on our January 11th rapture possibility, i wanted to list here in simple English what i understand your saying, if i am wrong in any of this please correct me :Wednesday October 29, 2008 : 70th week of Daniel began to Wednesday September 23, 2015 which is Yom Kippur / Day of Atonement when Jesus will return in the 2nd Coming is 7 Jewish Years of 2520 daysSunday January 11, 2009 : our rapture flight day and beginning of the Tribulation Judgements to Sunday December 6, 2015 which is Hanukkah Eve and when the 1,000 year Reign of Jesus Christ begins is also 7 Jewish Years of 2520 days And the Daniel 12:12 verse says there will be an extra 75 days in all of this. From October 29, 2008 to January 11, 2009 is those extra 75 days. The bottom line here - all Christian believers have to be gone by January 11, 2009 for the Tribulation Judgements to beginthe bibical numbers all seem to fit, and the rapture on the 11th does help to explain all the number 11s that everyone has been seeing over the past couple of years. Should this hold true, we all now only have 17 days left till our out-of-this world rapture flight into the Eternal City, The New Jerusalem and one last thought : what a Happy New Year's present this will be to all Christian believers in Jesus Christ !!!
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Daniel 12
11"From the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.
12"How blessed is he who keeps waiting and attains to the 1,335 days!
1335 - 1290 = 45 days --- NOT 75 days!!!
The 1290 days is from when the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up - which is the mid point of the seven year tribulation --- Clearly there is NO WAY this is about any time in 2008 or 2009 and is a clear LIE and twisting of scripture by false prophet Gary Rich to agree with the LIES and false prophecies of false prophet Ron Reese!
2 Peter 2
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/garyr1227-1.htm
Gary Rich (27 Dec 2008) "January 11, 2009 bibical rapture numbers"
I wanted to say a big Thank You to Ron Reese for giving us the biggest Christmas present ever. God brought you Ron out of bible prophecy retirement to give all us rapture watchers hope and excitement in these last days. And your posting about our rapture flight on January 11th sure has brightened my Christmas spiritafter reading thru your entire research article on our January 11th rapture possibility, i wanted to list here in simple English what i understand your saying, if i am wrong in any of this please correct me :Wednesday October 29, 2008 : 70th week of Daniel began to Wednesday September 23, 2015 which is Yom Kippur / Day of Atonement when Jesus will return in the 2nd Coming is 7 Jewish Years of 2520 daysSunday January 11, 2009 : our rapture flight day and beginning of the Tribulation Judgements to Sunday December 6, 2015 which is Hanukkah Eve and when the 1,000 year Reign of Jesus Christ begins is also 7 Jewish Years of 2520 days And the Daniel 12:12 verse says there will be an extra 75 days in all of this. From October 29, 2008 to January 11, 2009 is those extra 75 days. The bottom line here - all Christian believers have to be gone by January 11, 2009 for the Tribulation Judgements to beginthe bibical numbers all seem to fit, and the rapture on the 11th does help to explain all the number 11s that everyone has been seeing over the past couple of years. Should this hold true, we all now only have 17 days left till our out-of-this world rapture flight into the Eternal City, The New Jerusalem and one last thought : what a Happy New Year's present this will be to all Christian believers in Jesus Christ !!!
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false prophet 'Louis' claims hurricane omar (mid october 2008) was "a sign" of an "imminent attack" on the united states east coast
hurricane omar was a hurricane very briefly in mid october, 2008. While it was a category 4 hurricane, it did not do much damage (as hurricanes go) nor was there anything special about it. Why is this a "sign" of an "imminent terror attack of the u.s. east coast" as false prophet 'Louis' claims ??? To me, he's just another fruitcake that wanted the five demons ("doves") web site to post their garbage. A few years ago (2005) there were hurricanes forming in december:
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pdf/TCR-AL312005_Zeta.pdf
Deuteronomy 18:10-12 "There shall not be found among you anyone who uses divination or who practices witchcraft or one who interprets omens or is a sorcerer or who casts a spell or is a medium or a spiritist or who calls up the dead. For whosoever does these things is detestable to the Lord."
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/louis1227.htm
Louis (8 Sep 2007) "A" Sign" was given!! about an Imminent Attack!!"
Dear John; A Great "terror attack" is coming against the East Coast of America. This attack was foreshadowed by the sign of Hurricane "Omar"["Omar" is also the name of a Taliban Leader],This [freaky-late] killer hurricane formed over the "Virgin Islands". Just as every Arab Terrorist is promised seventy "virgins", "Omar" was a sign [from God] of a terrorist attack to come.I KNEW this storm would become a hurricane months before it formed. It is my "feeling" that this Taliban leader, "Mullah Omar" will be hehind this attack.The tracking of this hurricane was in the shape of a "Arab sword." Louis. Ps; It was great to see my whole family together for the Holiday season. It is important that we spend some- time with them!! Wait!! till we see what "Jesus" is planning for us,you will-not get so tired!!!
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http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pdf/TCR-AL312005_Zeta.pdf
Zeta was the 27th and final named storm in the Atlantic during 2005, establishing the record for the most named storms in one year in that basin. It was the second-latest tropical storm to form in the Atlantic basin, only six hours earlier than Hurricane Alice (1954) that also became a tropical storm on 30 December. Zeta and Alice are the only two Atlantic tropical cyclones on record to cross from one calendar year to the next. Zeta spent about one week moving erratically in a general westward direction over the subtropical waters of the central Atlantic, and it did not affect land.The hurricane season runs from june 1- november 30 so while omar was a late season hurricane, it was still within the time hurricanes are expected in the atlantic ocean.
Deuteronomy 18:10-12 "There shall not be found among you anyone who uses divination or who practices witchcraft or one who interprets omens or is a sorcerer or who casts a spell or is a medium or a spiritist or who calls up the dead. For whosoever does these things is detestable to the Lord."
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/louis1227.htm
Louis (8 Sep 2007) "A" Sign" was given!! about an Imminent Attack!!"
Dear John; A Great "terror attack" is coming against the East Coast of America. This attack was foreshadowed by the sign of Hurricane "Omar"["Omar" is also the name of a Taliban Leader],This [freaky-late] killer hurricane formed over the "Virgin Islands". Just as every Arab Terrorist is promised seventy "virgins", "Omar" was a sign [from God] of a terrorist attack to come.I KNEW this storm would become a hurricane months before it formed. It is my "feeling" that this Taliban leader, "Mullah Omar" will be hehind this attack.The tracking of this hurricane was in the shape of a "Arab sword." Louis. Ps; It was great to see my whole family together for the Holiday season. It is important that we spend some- time with them!! Wait!! till we see what "Jesus" is planning for us,you will-not get so tired!!!
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false prophet Jerry Grenough is prophecying the rapture will happen on january 11, 2009
false prophet Jerry Grenough is taking a bunch of dates and events that are non january 11, 2009 specific and figuring out the oddsw of it happening and then claiming it adds up to 1 chance in 1.06 Quadrillion of them being a "coincidence" which he concludes means Messiah Yeshua will rapture His True Believers on january 11, 2009.
I can also pick random events in history and calculate the odds of all of them happening and then pick a date for the rapture and claim it is a "confirmation" the rapture will happen on that date.
If anyone - anyone at all - believes the garbage from false prophet Jerry Grenough then it is a sad commentary on the state of this world.
Note that false prophet Jerry Grenough twists scripture and claims about the events he lists (none of which are what Messiah Yeshua said) :
3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
2 Timothy 3
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.
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Jerry Grenough (27 Dec 2008)"Confirmations on January 11,2009 Rapture"
CONFIRMATION # 1: PROBABILITY ODDS:
The odds I give here are really very conservative:
The 6000 years from creation with a 1000 year (millennial) day of rest lines-up.
{1 chance in 7} out of seven millennia this is the one.
The Generation that sees the Fig Tree Israel come back to life, lines-up.
{1 chance in 25} out of 25 generations of 80 years each, this is the one.
The sixty to seventy year generation lines-up.
{1 chance in 60} of the sixty years Israel has been a nation this is the one.
Daniel’s Sabbatical Week of year’s lines-up.
{1 chance in 7} of the seven year span this is the end and start of a new cycle.
The 4 lunar eclipses occurring on the feast days, line-up.
{1 chance in 200} 3 in 600 years. this year is seven years prior to the next.
The quakes, famines, storms, pestilences, wars, and persecutions all line-up.
{1 to 1 chance} these events have always happened but not at the same time.
The perilous times of terror, and increasing birth pains all line-up.
{1 to 1 chance} they have occurred before and are definitely happening now.
Israel being surrounded by her mortal enemies, lines-up.
{1 chance in 4} odds are likely much higher but Israel has 4 bordering nations.
The military alliance between Gog (Southern Russia) and Persia (Iran) lines-up.
{1 chance in 100} this alliance is against Israel as prophesied by Ezekiel.
The coming “Peace Treaty� dividing the land of Israel lines-up.
{1 chance in 100} What are the odds that all nations of the world divide Israel?
The 2550 days between Rosh Hashanah and the Day of Atonement line-up, AND Ron's subsequent analysis of 2550 days from 1/11/09 to the Hanukkah date.
{1 chance in 4} this happens approximately once every 4 to 6 years.
The Jubilee year 7 years away, lines-up.
{1 chance in 49} if 1917 and 1967 are Jubilee years then the next is 2016.
The 2000 years (2 days) from Jesus first coming lines-up.
{1 chance in 7} fulfills prophecy that on the 3rd day we will be in his presence. Remember analysis by Louis Romo and Pastor Riley, using 360 day years and another 7 years.
As in the days of Sodom, the promotion of homosexuality lines-up.
{1 to 1} in the 1970’s this was a mental illness, it’s now taught in grade school.
The days of Noah with violence and wickedness everywhere lines-up.
{1 to 1} crime and violence is at epidemic proportions world wide.
The apostate, Laodicean church lines-up.
{1 chance in 7} The church has more false teaching than ever before.
The millions of people watching for the thief in the night lines-up.
{1 to 1} the word says the wise virgins will be watching when he comes.
The Gospel will be preached to every nation lines-up.
{1 chance in 189} the 189 nations all have TV and Radio spreading the Gospel.
The Odds of all these things happening at the same time: (1 chance in 1,060,000,000,000,000,000) That is 1 chance in 1.06 Quadrillion!
When you see all these things line-up, look-up, for your redemption is at the door!
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I can also pick random events in history and calculate the odds of all of them happening and then pick a date for the rapture and claim it is a "confirmation" the rapture will happen on that date.
If anyone - anyone at all - believes the garbage from false prophet Jerry Grenough then it is a sad commentary on the state of this world.
Note that false prophet Jerry Grenough twists scripture and claims about the events he lists (none of which are what Messiah Yeshua said) :
When you see all these things line-up, look-up, for your redemption is at the door!This is downright BLASPHEMOUS. Messiah Yeshua gave a list of signs and stated when those begin to come to pass, our redemption is near. NONE of the events Messiah Yeshua gives is the same as what is on false prophet Jerry Grenough's list:
II Tim 4:3-4Luke 21
5 Some of his disciples were remarking about how the temple was adorned with beautiful stones and with gifts dedicated to God. But Jesus said, 6 "As for what you see here, the time will come when not one stone will be left on another; every one of them will be thrown down." 7 "Teacher," they asked, "when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are about to take place?" 8 He replied: "Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am he,' and, 'The time is near.' Do not follow them. 9 When you hear of wars and revolutions, do not be frightened. These things must happen first, but the end will not come right away." 10 Then he said to them: "Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. 11 There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven. 12 "But before all this, they will lay hands on you and persecute you. They will deliver you to synagogues and prisons, and you will be brought before kings and governors, and all on account of my name. 13 This will result in your being witnesses to them. 14 But make up your mind not to worry beforehand how you will defend yourselves. 15 For I will give you words and wisdom that none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict. 16 You will be betrayed even by parents, brothers, relatives and friends, and they will put some of you to death. 17 All men will hate you because of me. 18 But not a hair of your head will perish. 19 By standing firm you will gain life. 20 "When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. 22 For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written. 23 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people. 24 They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. 25 "There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26 Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27 At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."
3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
2 Timothy 3
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.
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Jerry Grenough (27 Dec 2008)"Confirmations on January 11,2009 Rapture"
CONFIRMATION # 1: PROBABILITY ODDS:
The odds I give here are really very conservative:
The 6000 years from creation with a 1000 year (millennial) day of rest lines-up.
{1 chance in 7} out of seven millennia this is the one.
The Generation that sees the Fig Tree Israel come back to life, lines-up.
{1 chance in 25} out of 25 generations of 80 years each, this is the one.
The sixty to seventy year generation lines-up.
{1 chance in 60} of the sixty years Israel has been a nation this is the one.
Daniel’s Sabbatical Week of year’s lines-up.
{1 chance in 7} of the seven year span this is the end and start of a new cycle.
The 4 lunar eclipses occurring on the feast days, line-up.
{1 chance in 200} 3 in 600 years. this year is seven years prior to the next.
The quakes, famines, storms, pestilences, wars, and persecutions all line-up.
{1 to 1 chance} these events have always happened but not at the same time.
The perilous times of terror, and increasing birth pains all line-up.
{1 to 1 chance} they have occurred before and are definitely happening now.
Israel being surrounded by her mortal enemies, lines-up.
{1 chance in 4} odds are likely much higher but Israel has 4 bordering nations.
The military alliance between Gog (Southern Russia) and Persia (Iran) lines-up.
{1 chance in 100} this alliance is against Israel as prophesied by Ezekiel.
The coming “Peace Treaty� dividing the land of Israel lines-up.
{1 chance in 100} What are the odds that all nations of the world divide Israel?
The 2550 days between Rosh Hashanah and the Day of Atonement line-up, AND Ron's subsequent analysis of 2550 days from 1/11/09 to the Hanukkah date.
{1 chance in 4} this happens approximately once every 4 to 6 years.
The Jubilee year 7 years away, lines-up.
{1 chance in 49} if 1917 and 1967 are Jubilee years then the next is 2016.
The 2000 years (2 days) from Jesus first coming lines-up.
{1 chance in 7} fulfills prophecy that on the 3rd day we will be in his presence. Remember analysis by Louis Romo and Pastor Riley, using 360 day years and another 7 years.
As in the days of Sodom, the promotion of homosexuality lines-up.
{1 to 1} in the 1970’s this was a mental illness, it’s now taught in grade school.
The days of Noah with violence and wickedness everywhere lines-up.
{1 to 1} crime and violence is at epidemic proportions world wide.
The apostate, Laodicean church lines-up.
{1 chance in 7} The church has more false teaching than ever before.
The millions of people watching for the thief in the night lines-up.
{1 to 1} the word says the wise virgins will be watching when he comes.
The Gospel will be preached to every nation lines-up.
{1 chance in 189} the 189 nations all have TV and Radio spreading the Gospel.
The Odds of all these things happening at the same time: (1 chance in 1,060,000,000,000,000,000) That is 1 chance in 1.06 Quadrillion!
When you see all these things line-up, look-up, for your redemption is at the door!
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false prophet Tony Ellsworth is still clinging to a x-mass 2008 rapture date
x-mass (december 25) is a pagan celebration of tammuz (ba-al) and has NOTHING to do with Messiah Yeshua or TRUE Christianity.
false prophet Tony Ellsworth cannot admit that his prophecy of a x-mass 2008 rapture failed so he is now claiming x-mass lasts until january 2009 because of the "twelve days of x-mass" --- which is also of pagan origins.
false prophet Tony Ellsworth makes up a lot of stuff to support his false prophecies. There is nothing that points to the wisemen / magi visiting Messiah Yeshua at this time (in fact, they showed up when Messiah Yeshua was two years old and not at His birth) nor does the bible say this is the time Messiah Yeshua "presented Himself to the gentiles" nor is it even likely Messiah Yeshua was baptized in the winter (the Jordan River is COLD in the winter and was the time when it was at its highest level and flowing most rapidly)
2 Peter 2
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/tonye1227-2.htm
Tony Ellsworth (27 Dec 2008) "Twelve days of Christmas"
Twelve Days of Christmas
I’ve been doing some reading and it appears we have lost quite a bit of the meaning of Christmas, due to the secularization of the holiday. Much of this can be attributed to greed in the form of the false god of mammon. Unfortunately, after Christmas sales and New Year’s Eve celebrations have run “Jesus” out of town early. And to think, there was no room at the Inn for Him in the first place – Bah Humbug!!! Horrible!!!
Christmas used to be twelve days, as the Colonists had brought it over to America from England. Since then, we have lost out on this tradition. The twelve days of Christmas peaked on what is January 6th this year. The was a very special day called “Epiphany” day.
Epiphany Day represents the following things:
· The Magi or Wise men visitation of Jesus
· Revelation or “shining forth”
· The baptism of Jesus
· Jesus’ presentation of himself to the Gentiles
· The Wedding in Cana
There is not a consensus of agreement between Christian tradition as to which events occurred on this day. However, they all agree in “spirit” to the manifestation in various forms of Jesus Christ as the twelfth and all important culminating day.
There is always still hope! Watching with anticipation!
Merry Christmas Maranatha!
Tony
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false prophet Tony Ellsworth cannot admit that his prophecy of a x-mass 2008 rapture failed so he is now claiming x-mass lasts until january 2009 because of the "twelve days of x-mass" --- which is also of pagan origins.
false prophet Tony Ellsworth makes up a lot of stuff to support his false prophecies. There is nothing that points to the wisemen / magi visiting Messiah Yeshua at this time (in fact, they showed up when Messiah Yeshua was two years old and not at His birth) nor does the bible say this is the time Messiah Yeshua "presented Himself to the gentiles" nor is it even likely Messiah Yeshua was baptized in the winter (the Jordan River is COLD in the winter and was the time when it was at its highest level and flowing most rapidly)
2 Peter 2
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/tonye1227-2.htm
Tony Ellsworth (27 Dec 2008) "Twelve days of Christmas"
Twelve Days of Christmas
I’ve been doing some reading and it appears we have lost quite a bit of the meaning of Christmas, due to the secularization of the holiday. Much of this can be attributed to greed in the form of the false god of mammon. Unfortunately, after Christmas sales and New Year’s Eve celebrations have run “Jesus” out of town early. And to think, there was no room at the Inn for Him in the first place – Bah Humbug!!! Horrible!!!
Christmas used to be twelve days, as the Colonists had brought it over to America from England. Since then, we have lost out on this tradition. The twelve days of Christmas peaked on what is January 6th this year. The was a very special day called “Epiphany” day.
Epiphany Day represents the following things:
· The Magi or Wise men visitation of Jesus
· Revelation or “shining forth”
· The baptism of Jesus
· Jesus’ presentation of himself to the Gentiles
· The Wedding in Cana
There is not a consensus of agreement between Christian tradition as to which events occurred on this day. However, they all agree in “spirit” to the manifestation in various forms of Jesus Christ as the twelfth and all important culminating day.
There is always still hope! Watching with anticipation!
Merry Christmas Maranatha!
Tony
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false prophet Tony Ellsworth is still trying to tie the apollo 8 moon mission (40 years ago) to the rapture
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false prophet Tony Ellsworth is a definite fruitcake as has been shown before. he is still trying to tie the rapture date to the apollo 8 mission that happened FORTY years ago. The bible never says to do this!
II Tim 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
Deuteronomy 18:10-12 "There shall not be found among you anyone who uses divination or who practices witchcraft or one who interprets omens or is a sorcerer or who casts a spell or is a medium or a spiritist or who calls up the dead. For whosoever does these things is detestable to the Lord."
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/tonye1227-1.htm
Tony Ellsworth (27 Dec 2008) "Men of the year - 40 years ago..."
I had missed this article on the 40 year anniversary of the Apollo 8 mission. It says that they made the Genesis proclamation on the 9th orbit. Maybe this has some relevance to 2009.
Here is the article: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,472605,00.html
Anniversary dates:
Launch: December 21, 1968
“Genesis” Broadcast: December 24, 1968
Landing: December 27, 1968
Hebrew dates:
Launch: Kislev 30 (December 27th this year)
“Genesis” Broadcast: Tevet 3 (December 30th this year)
Landing: Tevet 6 (January 2nd 2009)
Maranatha!
Tony
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/tonye1227-3.htm
Tony Ellsworth (27 Dec 2008) "December 30th: no ordinary day"
I have been researching the balance of this year, and the Christmas Season. In doing so, there are a couple of things that stand out about this date.
1. December 30th 2008 is the Hebrew date Tevet 3. In 1968, Christmas Eve was the Jewish date Tevet 3. In this way, it is the marker for 40 years for this Apollo 8 broadcast of Genesis. Tevet is the month Esther was called to the King’s palace to replace Vashti.
2. On December 30th two years ago (2006), Saddam Hussein was hung. This was worldwide news and was also captured on video by a cell phone. Clearly, Babylon has significant prophetic meaning, of which I won’t go into here.
The ruler of Babylon can have a meaning of “Satan.” It has been two years since this date, which had likeness to the two thousand years Christ has been absent from the earth. Seventeen is a number of great significance and it has been 17 years from the start of the war in Iraq/Babylon 1991 – 2008.
Saddam was executed on a specific Muslim holiday called “’Eid al-Adha.” This holiday commemorates what the Muslims claim is the day Abraham showed his willingness to sacrifice Ishmael for Allah.
This is incorrect. However, Abraham did forsake Ishmael by God’s command. This was another test and verification of faith by Abraham in turning his back on this world. Ishmael was the oldest and a great hunter. His mother was from Egypt which is a “type” of this world. Abraham turned away Ishmael, the child of flesh and offered up the child of faith – Isaac.
The Apostle Paul spells this out plainly…
Galatians 4
22For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
Blessings,
Tony
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false prophet Tony Ellsworth is a definite fruitcake as has been shown before. he is still trying to tie the rapture date to the apollo 8 mission that happened FORTY years ago. The bible never says to do this!
II Tim 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
Deuteronomy 18:10-12 "There shall not be found among you anyone who uses divination or who practices witchcraft or one who interprets omens or is a sorcerer or who casts a spell or is a medium or a spiritist or who calls up the dead. For whosoever does these things is detestable to the Lord."
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/tonye1227-1.htm
Tony Ellsworth (27 Dec 2008) "Men of the year - 40 years ago..."
I had missed this article on the 40 year anniversary of the Apollo 8 mission. It says that they made the Genesis proclamation on the 9th orbit. Maybe this has some relevance to 2009.
Here is the article: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,472605,00.html
Anniversary dates:
Launch: December 21, 1968
“Genesis” Broadcast: December 24, 1968
Landing: December 27, 1968
Hebrew dates:
Launch: Kislev 30 (December 27th this year)
“Genesis” Broadcast: Tevet 3 (December 30th this year)
Landing: Tevet 6 (January 2nd 2009)
Maranatha!
Tony
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2008/tonye1227-3.htm
Tony Ellsworth (27 Dec 2008) "December 30th: no ordinary day"
I have been researching the balance of this year, and the Christmas Season. In doing so, there are a couple of things that stand out about this date.
1. December 30th 2008 is the Hebrew date Tevet 3. In 1968, Christmas Eve was the Jewish date Tevet 3. In this way, it is the marker for 40 years for this Apollo 8 broadcast of Genesis. Tevet is the month Esther was called to the King’s palace to replace Vashti.
2. On December 30th two years ago (2006), Saddam Hussein was hung. This was worldwide news and was also captured on video by a cell phone. Clearly, Babylon has significant prophetic meaning, of which I won’t go into here.
The ruler of Babylon can have a meaning of “Satan.” It has been two years since this date, which had likeness to the two thousand years Christ has been absent from the earth. Seventeen is a number of great significance and it has been 17 years from the start of the war in Iraq/Babylon 1991 – 2008.
Saddam was executed on a specific Muslim holiday called “’Eid al-Adha.” This holiday commemorates what the Muslims claim is the day Abraham showed his willingness to sacrifice Ishmael for Allah.
This is incorrect. However, Abraham did forsake Ishmael by God’s command. This was another test and verification of faith by Abraham in turning his back on this world. Ishmael was the oldest and a great hunter. His mother was from Egypt which is a “type” of this world. Abraham turned away Ishmael, the child of flesh and offered up the child of faith – Isaac.
The Apostle Paul spells this out plainly…
Galatians 4
22For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
Blessings,
Tony
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