Messiah Yeshua said to KEEP WATCH - He did NOT say to use numerology and pull any number out, round it off, and make a claim it means the rapture is near. Fruitcake false prophets such as 'Simon' is why so few people will consider accepting Messiah Yeshua.
Deuteronomy 18:10-12 "There shall not be found among you anyone who uses divination or who practices witchcraft or one who interprets omens or is a sorcerer or who casts a spell or is a medium or a spiritist or who calls up the dead. For whosoever does these things is detestable to the Lord."
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Simon (31 Jan 2009)
"Noah Ark vs Gaza War"
Dear Doves,
From the Good News Bible, the dimensions of Noah’s Ark are 133 m long; 22 m wide and 13 m high. From the news media, the recent Gaza war took 22 days and 13 Israeli’s were killed and approximately 1330 Palestinian’s killed. Therefore ignoring the zero we get 133; and results in the three numbers (133; 22; 13). The volume of the Ark using the above numbers = 133 m x 22 m x 13 m = 38 0 38 m3.
Side Issue: After Noah was 500 years old, he had 3 sons (Gen 5:32) and when the flood started Noah was 600 years old (Gen 7:11), hence each son was approximately 100 years old; giving 100; 100; 100 = 111!!
Probably we must take the events of Noah’s time seriously as we watch.
Let’s continue to watch.
Simon.
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Exposing false prophets and false prophecies of those who call themselves Christians
Saturday, January 31, 2009
false prophet Wade Balzer claims his numerology is acceptbable to G-d because "G-d created numbers"
Nothing like a false prophet justifying his wickedness and disobedience by twisting scripture and by claiming it is acceptable to G-d because G-d created it. Using this faulty reasoning, you could claim that it is acceptable to G-d to study signs in the sun, moon, and starts (astrology) because G-d created the heavens! I cannot believe the false prophets claim numerology is acceptable to G-d just because G-d created numbers. G-d said to not be involved in numerology. G-d did not give the verse numbers or gematria in scripture - they were made up later and gematria was made up to divine special "interpretations" from scripture.
G-d commanded Moses to read Torah to the congregation every year so THEY could understand it.
2 Peter 1
20 knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation. 21 For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
Kind of strange that false prophet Wade Balzer is quoting scripture that G-d is against the practtices he is defending - although in his original post, he only hilights about the numerology and does not hilight the part that it is practices by Israel's enemies and G-d is warning against it.
You can find a "word study" books to say what you want it to but the question is what does G-d say about it? If G-d was behind the numerology like false prophet Wade Balzer is claiming, then why are all the false prophecies and dates the false prophets conjure up always WRONG??? If they still claim G-d is behind it, then the "god" they serve is satan.
If the false prophets think G-d is pleased with all their false prophecies and false rapture dates, then they are definitely deluded. G-d is not blessed when false prophets make prophecies in His name when He did not give them the prophecy.
If numerology is from G-d He would not have condemned it and it would NEVER be wrong. ALL of the false prophets numerology has benn 100% WRONG so that is proof G-d did not invent numerology even though He did invent numbers. He knew satan would pollute His inventions so He carefully warned us to not get involved in occult numerology practices.
G-d did not give us chapter or verse numbers. He did not invent gematria. satan is using them to gain followings into the occult. G-d is allowing it as a test to see who will obey Him and who will follow the false prophets and their wicked ways:
Deuteronomy 13
1 If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, "Let us follow other gods" (gods you have not known) "and let us worship them," 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is the LORD your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. 5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death, because he preached rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery; he has tried to turn you from the way the LORD your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.
Deuteronomy 18:10-12 "There shall not be found among you anyone who uses divination or who practices witchcraft or one who interprets omens or is a sorcerer or who casts a spell or is a medium or a spiritist or who calls up the dead. For whosoever does these things is detestable to the Lord."
divination
–noun
1. the practice of attempting to foretell future events or discover hidden knowledge by occult or supernatural means.
2. augury; prophecy: The divination of the high priest was fulfilled.
3. perception by intuition; instinctive foresight.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2009/wadeb131.htm
Wade Balzer (31 Jan 2009) "Interpreter of Omens and Observation of times..."
Dear all,
There is someone who has brought this to my attention, and I wish to understand what is being said here.
The accusation is that I am using practices that are forbidden in scripture in my interpretation of the scriptures, namely interpreting omens, and the observation of times.
Here is the verse:
Deu 18:10-12
10 There shall notH3808 be foundH4672 among you any one that maketh his sonH1121 or his daughterH1323 to pass throughH5674 the fire,H784 or that usethH7080 divination,H7081 or an observer of times,H6049 or an enchanter,H5172 or a witch,H3784
11 Or a charmer,H2266 H2267 or a consulterH7592 with familiar spirits,H178 or a wizard,H3049 or a necromancer.H1875 H413 H4191
12 ForH3588 allH3605 that doH6213 these thingsH428 are an abominationH8441 unto the LORD:H3068 and becauseH1558 of theseH428 abominationsH8441 the LORDH3068 thy GodH430 doth drive them outH3423 (H853) from beforeH4480 H6440 thee.
For the sake of understanding what this word is, here it is found in other contexts?
Gen 9:14 And it shall come to pass,H1961 when I bringH6049 a cloudH6051 overH5921 the earth,H776 that the bowH7198 shall be seenH7200 in the cloud:H6051
Lev 19:26 Ye shall notH3808 eatH398 any thing withH5921 the blood:H1818 neitherH3808 shall ye use enchantment,H5172 norH3808 observe times.H6049
Deu 18:14 ForH3588 theseH428 nations,H1471 whichH834 thouH859 shalt possess,H3423 (H853) hearkenedH8085 untoH413 observers of times,H6049 and untoH413 diviners:H7080 but as for thee,H859 the LORDH3068 thy GodH430 hath notH3808 sufferedH5414 thee soH3651 to do.
Jdg 9:37 And GaalH1603 spakeH1696 againH3254 and said,H559 SeeH2009 there come people downH3381 H5971 byH4480 H5973 the middleH2872 of the land,H776 and anotherH259 companyH7218 comeH935 along byH4480 H5973 the plainH436 of Meonenim.H6049
2Ki 21:6 And he made(H853) his sonH1121 pass throughH5674 the fire,H784 and observed times,H6049 and used enchantments,H5172 and dealtH6213 with familiar spiritsH178 and wizards:H3049 he wroughtH6213 muchH7235 wickednessH7451 in the sightH5869 of the LORD,H3068 to provoke him to anger.H3707
2Ch 33:6 And heH1931 caused(H853) his childrenH1121 to passH5674 through the fireH784 in the valleyH1516 of the sonH1121 of Hinnom:H2011 also he observed times,H6049 and used enchantments,H5172 and used witchcraft,H3784 and dealt withH6213 a familiar spirit,H178 and with wizards:H3049 he wroughtH6213 muchH7235 evilH7451 in the sightH5869 of the LORD,H3068 to provoke him to anger.H3707
Isa 2:6 ThereforeH3588 thou hast forsakenH5203 thy peopleH5971 the houseH1004 of Jacob,H3290 becauseH3588 they be replenishedH4390 from the east,H4480 H6924 and are soothsayersH6049 like the Philistines,H6430 and they please themselvesH5606 in the childrenH3206 of strangers.H5237
Isa 57:3 But draw nearH7126 hither,H2008 yeH859 sonsH1121 of the sorceress,H6049 the seedH2233 of the adultererH5003 and the whore.H2181
Jer 27:9 Therefore hearkenH8085 notH408 yeH859 toH413 your prophets,H5030 nor toH413 your diviners,H7080 nor toH413 your dreamers,H2472 nor toH413 your enchanters,H6049 nor toH413 your sorcerers,H3786 whichH834 H1992 speakH559 untoH413 you, saying,H559 Ye shall notH3808 serveH5647 (H853) the kingH4428 of Babylon:H894
Mic 5:12 And I will cut offH3772 witchcraftsH3785 out of thine hand;H4480 H3027 and thou shalt haveH1961 noH3808 more soothsayers:H6049
From my WordStudy dictionary:
H6049
ָעַנן
‛ānan: A verb meaning to practice soothsaying, fortune-telling, divining, magic. While it is clear from the contexts and the versions that this term is used for some type of magic or witchcraft, its etymology is unclear. Therefore, the specifics of the practice it connotes are equally unclear. However, it is clear that it was strictly forbidden, and the one who practiced this act was detestable to God (Deu_18:10, Deu_18:12). Isaiah appears to use the term figuratively to demean the idolatrous Israelites (Isa_57:3).
Obviously, I have NEVER in my life considered that trying to understand scripture based on numerical data would EVER be a forbidden practice. I reasoned that God created NUMBERS. We have a book called “Numbers”. Daniel was told by the angels information concerning observation of the number of days between until the Messiah would come. Furthermore, he was told about the 2300 days, 1290 days, and the 1335 days. Ezekiel was told about the days being a prophetic shadow of the years that he was prophesying about. How many times in the scripture does it say something about the “self-same day”? Did not someone “observe the times”?
My point is this? this particular word H6049 must have a meaning that different and separate from the experiences that Daniel had or any other Saint that God gave specific instructions concerning time, measurement, or numbers. How about the scripture:
Rev 13:18 HereG5602 isG2076 wisdom.G4678 Let him that hathG2192 understandingG3563 countG5585 theG3588 numberG706 of theG3588 beast:G2342 forG1063 it isG2076 the numberG706 of a man;G444 andG2532 hisG848 numberG706 is Six hundred threescore and six.G5516
Would God tell us to count the number of the beast (if you have understanding) if the practice of counting numbers is a FORBIDDEN practice in and of itself?
I know the scripture is clear? LET HIM THAT HATH UNDERSTANDING? in other words? ?? if you don’t have understanding? maybe you should NOT be counting the numbers, because YOU will make a mess if you try and interpret what you don’t understand.
Let’s focus on this verse here, because the same word used that is forbidden H6049 is used of God?
Gen 9:14 And it shall come to pass,H1961 when I bringH6049 a cloudH6051 overH5921 the earth,H776 that the bowH7198 shall be seenH7200 in the cloud:H6051
I think the key to understanding this, is that H6049, is something that is reserved for God’s purpose. If it comes to be any other purpose than it is designed for, it is sin. Again, I am just trying to understand, and if someone has specific insight, I am listening. Perhaps it is like cults who use the Bible to promote their twisted and false doctrines. The Bible is not sinful, but their use of the Bible to promote their false religion is sinful. Does that make sense?
I cannot find anywhere in the Bible that says that Gematria, or looking at a Verse number is in and of itself sinful, or a demonic practice. Yes, gematria does play a huge part in Mystism, Kabbalah, Gnosticism, and occultic practices, but those who use Gematria that are into Mystism, Kabbalah, Gnosticism, and the Occult, are they using something that God created for an evil purpose? I am convinced that is the case. If I am wrong, please help me understand.
So that the purpose of God can be manifest, I will declare to you a mystery hidden within this verse. I JUST NOW HAVE SEEN IT. In fact, I am COMPLETELY amazed that God is able to hide this mystery here:
Do you know the woman of Revelation 12? Do you know the mystery of the manchild? Have you heard of the “Cloud of Witnesses”? I find that very interesting the writer of Hebrews would used such a term, “CLOUD of WITNESSES”. Last night my pastor took of his shoe and threw it at the man speaking in our youth service because what the man said “blessed his socks off”. (Actually I was thankful it was only his shoe!!! LOL)
In the very first translation of the bible in the English language in 1382 contains what I believe is the name of that Woman with child in Verse # 6051. No? I am sorry? ? if you are that interested, you can do the research yourself. Since the 1382 version is extremely difficult to find online, even though you can find the 1395 version fairly easily, I don’t know that I should even point it out. I will explain what I have seen without specific details.
Do you know of the law of loosing the shoe and spitting in the face? John the Baptist said, “who’s sandal’s I am unworthy to loose.” That reference that John made was a back reference to the law of loosing the shoe. For the sake of the reader, I will say nothing more other than the BOW H7198 that is seen in the CLOUD H6051 declares this mystery. It is even more amazing that the picture I have seen in the spirit is embedded in the language and structure of the Bible.
Verse # 7198
Rth 4:7 Now thisH2063 was the manner in former timeH6440 in IsraelH3478 concerningH5921 redeemingH1353 and concerningH5921 changing,H8545 for to confirmH6965 allH3605 things;H1697 a manH376 plucked offH8025 his shoe,H5275 and gaveH5414 it to his neighbour:H7453 and thisH2063 was a testimonyH8584 in Israel.H3478
Verse # 6051 = Book 6:9:13
Jos 9:13 And theseH428 bottlesH4997 of wine,H3196 whichH834 we filled,H4390 were new;H2319 and, behold,H2009 they be rent:H1234 and theseH428 our garmentsH8008 and our shoesH5275 are become oldH1086 by reason of the veryH3966 longH4480 H7230 journey.H1870
Have you not read that wisdom is not found in the land of the living?
2Ki 13:21 And it came to pass,H1961 as theyH1992 were buryingH6912 a man,H376 that, behold,H2009 they spiedH7200 (H853) a bandH1416 of men; and they castH7993 (H853) the manH376 into the sepulchreH6913 of Elisha:H477 and when the manH376 was let down,H1980 and touchedH5060 the bonesH6106 of Elisha,H477 he revived,H2421 and stood upH6965 onH5921 his feet.H7272
Anyhow? you can chase the rabbit trails, and this picture is repeated over and over again in the scripture. One more note? isn’t it interesting that Jesus referred to the wineskins in a parable declaring the mysteries of old?
Mar 2:22 AndG2532 no manG3762 puttethG906 newG3501 wineG3631 intoG1519 oldG3820 bottles:G779 elseG1490 theG3588 newG3501 wineG3631 doth burstG4486 theG3588 bottles,G779 andG2532 theG3588 wineG3631 is spilled,G1632 andG2532 theG3588 bottlesG779 will be marred:G622 butG235 newG3501 wineG3631 must be putG992 intoG1519 newG2537 bottles.G779
Mark 2:22 could be written NT 2:2:22.
Do you know that G2222 = LIFE (Zoe)
Do you know that Verse # 5707 has a gematria of 2222?
Do you know that Strong’s H5707 = witness?
Can you see the connection?
Gen 2:22 And(H853) the rib,H6763 whichH834 the LORDH3068 GodH430 had takenH3947 fromH4480 man,H120 madeH1129 he a woman,H802 and broughtH935 her untoH413 the man.H120
Isa 22:22 And the keyH4668 of the houseH1004 of DavidH1732 will I layH5414 uponH5921 his shoulder;H7926 so he shall open,H6605 and noneH369 shall shut;H5462 and he shall shut,H5462 and noneH369 shall open.H6605
You either see it, or you don’t!!!
Wade Balzer
wbalzer@newjerusalem.org
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G-d commanded Moses to read Torah to the congregation every year so THEY could understand it.
2 Peter 1
20 knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation. 21 For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
Kind of strange that false prophet Wade Balzer is quoting scripture that G-d is against the practtices he is defending - although in his original post, he only hilights about the numerology and does not hilight the part that it is practices by Israel's enemies and G-d is warning against it.
You can find a "word study" books to say what you want it to but the question is what does G-d say about it? If G-d was behind the numerology like false prophet Wade Balzer is claiming, then why are all the false prophecies and dates the false prophets conjure up always WRONG??? If they still claim G-d is behind it, then the "god" they serve is satan.
If the false prophets think G-d is pleased with all their false prophecies and false rapture dates, then they are definitely deluded. G-d is not blessed when false prophets make prophecies in His name when He did not give them the prophecy.
If numerology is from G-d He would not have condemned it and it would NEVER be wrong. ALL of the false prophets numerology has benn 100% WRONG so that is proof G-d did not invent numerology even though He did invent numbers. He knew satan would pollute His inventions so He carefully warned us to not get involved in occult numerology practices.
G-d did not give us chapter or verse numbers. He did not invent gematria. satan is using them to gain followings into the occult. G-d is allowing it as a test to see who will obey Him and who will follow the false prophets and their wicked ways:
Deuteronomy 13
1 If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, "Let us follow other gods" (gods you have not known) "and let us worship them," 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is the LORD your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. 5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death, because he preached rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery; he has tried to turn you from the way the LORD your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.
Deuteronomy 18:10-12 "There shall not be found among you anyone who uses divination or who practices witchcraft or one who interprets omens or is a sorcerer or who casts a spell or is a medium or a spiritist or who calls up the dead. For whosoever does these things is detestable to the Lord."
divination
–noun
1. the practice of attempting to foretell future events or discover hidden knowledge by occult or supernatural means.
2. augury; prophecy: The divination of the high priest was fulfilled.
3. perception by intuition; instinctive foresight.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2009/wadeb131.htm
Wade Balzer (31 Jan 2009) "Interpreter of Omens and Observation of times..."
Dear all,
There is someone who has brought this to my attention, and I wish to understand what is being said here.
The accusation is that I am using practices that are forbidden in scripture in my interpretation of the scriptures, namely interpreting omens, and the observation of times.
Here is the verse:
Deu 18:10-12
10 There shall notH3808 be foundH4672 among you any one that maketh his sonH1121 or his daughterH1323 to pass throughH5674 the fire,H784 or that usethH7080 divination,H7081 or an observer of times,H6049 or an enchanter,H5172 or a witch,H3784
11 Or a charmer,H2266 H2267 or a consulterH7592 with familiar spirits,H178 or a wizard,H3049 or a necromancer.H1875 H413 H4191
12 ForH3588 allH3605 that doH6213 these thingsH428 are an abominationH8441 unto the LORD:H3068 and becauseH1558 of theseH428 abominationsH8441 the LORDH3068 thy GodH430 doth drive them outH3423 (H853) from beforeH4480 H6440 thee.
For the sake of understanding what this word is, here it is found in other contexts?
Gen 9:14 And it shall come to pass,H1961 when I bringH6049 a cloudH6051 overH5921 the earth,H776 that the bowH7198 shall be seenH7200 in the cloud:H6051
Lev 19:26 Ye shall notH3808 eatH398 any thing withH5921 the blood:H1818 neitherH3808 shall ye use enchantment,H5172 norH3808 observe times.H6049
Deu 18:14 ForH3588 theseH428 nations,H1471 whichH834 thouH859 shalt possess,H3423 (H853) hearkenedH8085 untoH413 observers of times,H6049 and untoH413 diviners:H7080 but as for thee,H859 the LORDH3068 thy GodH430 hath notH3808 sufferedH5414 thee soH3651 to do.
Jdg 9:37 And GaalH1603 spakeH1696 againH3254 and said,H559 SeeH2009 there come people downH3381 H5971 byH4480 H5973 the middleH2872 of the land,H776 and anotherH259 companyH7218 comeH935 along byH4480 H5973 the plainH436 of Meonenim.H6049
2Ki 21:6 And he made(H853) his sonH1121 pass throughH5674 the fire,H784 and observed times,H6049 and used enchantments,H5172 and dealtH6213 with familiar spiritsH178 and wizards:H3049 he wroughtH6213 muchH7235 wickednessH7451 in the sightH5869 of the LORD,H3068 to provoke him to anger.H3707
2Ch 33:6 And heH1931 caused(H853) his childrenH1121 to passH5674 through the fireH784 in the valleyH1516 of the sonH1121 of Hinnom:H2011 also he observed times,H6049 and used enchantments,H5172 and used witchcraft,H3784 and dealt withH6213 a familiar spirit,H178 and with wizards:H3049 he wroughtH6213 muchH7235 evilH7451 in the sightH5869 of the LORD,H3068 to provoke him to anger.H3707
Isa 2:6 ThereforeH3588 thou hast forsakenH5203 thy peopleH5971 the houseH1004 of Jacob,H3290 becauseH3588 they be replenishedH4390 from the east,H4480 H6924 and are soothsayersH6049 like the Philistines,H6430 and they please themselvesH5606 in the childrenH3206 of strangers.H5237
Isa 57:3 But draw nearH7126 hither,H2008 yeH859 sonsH1121 of the sorceress,H6049 the seedH2233 of the adultererH5003 and the whore.H2181
Jer 27:9 Therefore hearkenH8085 notH408 yeH859 toH413 your prophets,H5030 nor toH413 your diviners,H7080 nor toH413 your dreamers,H2472 nor toH413 your enchanters,H6049 nor toH413 your sorcerers,H3786 whichH834 H1992 speakH559 untoH413 you, saying,H559 Ye shall notH3808 serveH5647 (H853) the kingH4428 of Babylon:H894
Mic 5:12 And I will cut offH3772 witchcraftsH3785 out of thine hand;H4480 H3027 and thou shalt haveH1961 noH3808 more soothsayers:H6049
From my WordStudy dictionary:
H6049
ָעַנן
‛ānan: A verb meaning to practice soothsaying, fortune-telling, divining, magic. While it is clear from the contexts and the versions that this term is used for some type of magic or witchcraft, its etymology is unclear. Therefore, the specifics of the practice it connotes are equally unclear. However, it is clear that it was strictly forbidden, and the one who practiced this act was detestable to God (Deu_18:10, Deu_18:12). Isaiah appears to use the term figuratively to demean the idolatrous Israelites (Isa_57:3).
Obviously, I have NEVER in my life considered that trying to understand scripture based on numerical data would EVER be a forbidden practice. I reasoned that God created NUMBERS. We have a book called “Numbers”. Daniel was told by the angels information concerning observation of the number of days between until the Messiah would come. Furthermore, he was told about the 2300 days, 1290 days, and the 1335 days. Ezekiel was told about the days being a prophetic shadow of the years that he was prophesying about. How many times in the scripture does it say something about the “self-same day”? Did not someone “observe the times”?
My point is this? this particular word H6049 must have a meaning that different and separate from the experiences that Daniel had or any other Saint that God gave specific instructions concerning time, measurement, or numbers. How about the scripture:
Rev 13:18 HereG5602 isG2076 wisdom.G4678 Let him that hathG2192 understandingG3563 countG5585 theG3588 numberG706 of theG3588 beast:G2342 forG1063 it isG2076 the numberG706 of a man;G444 andG2532 hisG848 numberG706 is Six hundred threescore and six.G5516
Would God tell us to count the number of the beast (if you have understanding) if the practice of counting numbers is a FORBIDDEN practice in and of itself?
I know the scripture is clear? LET HIM THAT HATH UNDERSTANDING? in other words? ?? if you don’t have understanding? maybe you should NOT be counting the numbers, because YOU will make a mess if you try and interpret what you don’t understand.
Let’s focus on this verse here, because the same word used that is forbidden H6049 is used of God?
Gen 9:14 And it shall come to pass,H1961 when I bringH6049 a cloudH6051 overH5921 the earth,H776 that the bowH7198 shall be seenH7200 in the cloud:H6051
I think the key to understanding this, is that H6049, is something that is reserved for God’s purpose. If it comes to be any other purpose than it is designed for, it is sin. Again, I am just trying to understand, and if someone has specific insight, I am listening. Perhaps it is like cults who use the Bible to promote their twisted and false doctrines. The Bible is not sinful, but their use of the Bible to promote their false religion is sinful. Does that make sense?
I cannot find anywhere in the Bible that says that Gematria, or looking at a Verse number is in and of itself sinful, or a demonic practice. Yes, gematria does play a huge part in Mystism, Kabbalah, Gnosticism, and occultic practices, but those who use Gematria that are into Mystism, Kabbalah, Gnosticism, and the Occult, are they using something that God created for an evil purpose? I am convinced that is the case. If I am wrong, please help me understand.
So that the purpose of God can be manifest, I will declare to you a mystery hidden within this verse. I JUST NOW HAVE SEEN IT. In fact, I am COMPLETELY amazed that God is able to hide this mystery here:
Do you know the woman of Revelation 12? Do you know the mystery of the manchild? Have you heard of the “Cloud of Witnesses”? I find that very interesting the writer of Hebrews would used such a term, “CLOUD of WITNESSES”. Last night my pastor took of his shoe and threw it at the man speaking in our youth service because what the man said “blessed his socks off”. (Actually I was thankful it was only his shoe!!! LOL)
In the very first translation of the bible in the English language in 1382 contains what I believe is the name of that Woman with child in Verse # 6051. No? I am sorry? ? if you are that interested, you can do the research yourself. Since the 1382 version is extremely difficult to find online, even though you can find the 1395 version fairly easily, I don’t know that I should even point it out. I will explain what I have seen without specific details.
Do you know of the law of loosing the shoe and spitting in the face? John the Baptist said, “who’s sandal’s I am unworthy to loose.” That reference that John made was a back reference to the law of loosing the shoe. For the sake of the reader, I will say nothing more other than the BOW H7198 that is seen in the CLOUD H6051 declares this mystery. It is even more amazing that the picture I have seen in the spirit is embedded in the language and structure of the Bible.
Verse # 7198
Rth 4:7 Now thisH2063 was the manner in former timeH6440 in IsraelH3478 concerningH5921 redeemingH1353 and concerningH5921 changing,H8545 for to confirmH6965 allH3605 things;H1697 a manH376 plucked offH8025 his shoe,H5275 and gaveH5414 it to his neighbour:H7453 and thisH2063 was a testimonyH8584 in Israel.H3478
Verse # 6051 = Book 6:9:13
Jos 9:13 And theseH428 bottlesH4997 of wine,H3196 whichH834 we filled,H4390 were new;H2319 and, behold,H2009 they be rent:H1234 and theseH428 our garmentsH8008 and our shoesH5275 are become oldH1086 by reason of the veryH3966 longH4480 H7230 journey.H1870
Have you not read that wisdom is not found in the land of the living?
2Ki 13:21 And it came to pass,H1961 as theyH1992 were buryingH6912 a man,H376 that, behold,H2009 they spiedH7200 (H853) a bandH1416 of men; and they castH7993 (H853) the manH376 into the sepulchreH6913 of Elisha:H477 and when the manH376 was let down,H1980 and touchedH5060 the bonesH6106 of Elisha,H477 he revived,H2421 and stood upH6965 onH5921 his feet.H7272
Anyhow? you can chase the rabbit trails, and this picture is repeated over and over again in the scripture. One more note? isn’t it interesting that Jesus referred to the wineskins in a parable declaring the mysteries of old?
Mar 2:22 AndG2532 no manG3762 puttethG906 newG3501 wineG3631 intoG1519 oldG3820 bottles:G779 elseG1490 theG3588 newG3501 wineG3631 doth burstG4486 theG3588 bottles,G779 andG2532 theG3588 wineG3631 is spilled,G1632 andG2532 theG3588 bottlesG779 will be marred:G622 butG235 newG3501 wineG3631 must be putG992 intoG1519 newG2537 bottles.G779
Mark 2:22 could be written NT 2:2:22.
Do you know that G2222 = LIFE (Zoe)
Do you know that Verse # 5707 has a gematria of 2222?
Do you know that Strong’s H5707 = witness?
Can you see the connection?
Gen 2:22 And(H853) the rib,H6763 whichH834 the LORDH3068 GodH430 had takenH3947 fromH4480 man,H120 madeH1129 he a woman,H802 and broughtH935 her untoH413 the man.H120
Isa 22:22 And the keyH4668 of the houseH1004 of DavidH1732 will I layH5414 uponH5921 his shoulder;H7926 so he shall open,H6605 and noneH369 shall shut;H5462 and he shall shut,H5462 and noneH369 shall open.H6605
You either see it, or you don’t!!!
Wade Balzer
wbalzer@newjerusalem.org
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false prophet Vincent Joseph agrees with false prophet BG Ellis
Nothing like false prophets "confirming" false prophecies of other false prophets.
If false prophet Kay actually believed all of these false prophecies, she would not be concerned with losing her aunt's lifetime savings on ebay because she would believe the rapture was going to be this month anyway.
Didn't all the "signs and numbers" point to january 11, 2009 until THAT day failed??? Now false prophet Vincent Joseph is claiming that the "signs and numbers" for MONTHS has pointed to february 5-6, 2009 for the rapture date???
II Tim 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
Deuteronomy 18:10-12 "There shall not be found among you anyone who uses divination or who practices witchcraft or one who interprets omens or is a sorcerer or who casts a spell or is a medium or a spiritist or who calls up the dead. For whosoever does these things is detestable to the Lord."
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2009/vincentj131.htm
Vincent Joseph (31 Jan 2009) "Re: "Our Rapture will be by Feb 6, 2009""
BG Ellis, i believe that your right on target. It does look like we have finally arrived at the day Christian believers in Jesus Christ have been waiting for. All the signs and numbers do add up to our rapture departure by next Friday Feb 6th for many months now, rapture watchers have been seeing the 11:11 numbers everywhere. It now seems so simple. They stand for the 11th day of the 11th Hebrew month. Next Thursday thru Friday Feb 5-6, 2009 get your salvation boarding passes now folks, the eternal rapture flight departs from planet Earth in just one week next stop- the Eternal City in Heaven- The New Jerusalem !!!
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If false prophet Kay actually believed all of these false prophecies, she would not be concerned with losing her aunt's lifetime savings on ebay because she would believe the rapture was going to be this month anyway.
Didn't all the "signs and numbers" point to january 11, 2009 until THAT day failed??? Now false prophet Vincent Joseph is claiming that the "signs and numbers" for MONTHS has pointed to february 5-6, 2009 for the rapture date???
II Tim 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
Deuteronomy 18:10-12 "There shall not be found among you anyone who uses divination or who practices witchcraft or one who interprets omens or is a sorcerer or who casts a spell or is a medium or a spiritist or who calls up the dead. For whosoever does these things is detestable to the Lord."
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2009/vincentj131.htm
Vincent Joseph (31 Jan 2009) "Re: "Our Rapture will be by Feb 6, 2009""
BG Ellis, i believe that your right on target. It does look like we have finally arrived at the day Christian believers in Jesus Christ have been waiting for. All the signs and numbers do add up to our rapture departure by next Friday Feb 6th for many months now, rapture watchers have been seeing the 11:11 numbers everywhere. It now seems so simple. They stand for the 11th day of the 11th Hebrew month. Next Thursday thru Friday Feb 5-6, 2009 get your salvation boarding passes now folks, the eternal rapture flight departs from planet Earth in just one week next stop- the Eternal City in Heaven- The New Jerusalem !!!
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false prophet Kay loses her aunt's money on ebay
Why would ANYONE trust false prophet Kay to invest their money for them? - let alone on ebay which is a den of thieves and scammers???
The aunt was a fool for trusting a false prophet to invest her money. false prophet Kay was a fool for "investing" on an obvious scam on ebay.
If you have this kind of money to invest, go through a reputable gold broker and not an ebay scammer. Anyone who sends an ebay "gold dealer" $16,000. is asking to be scammed.
The aunt's faith in false prophets SHOULD be shaken. false prophet Kay doesn't even have discernment to know the difference between what G-d says and the false prophecies posted on the five demons ("doves") web site. NOBODY - even her aunt - should listen to false prophet Kay or any other false prophet under ANY circumstance.
Friends don't let friends ebay - it is a den of scammers and thieves.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2009/kay131.htm
Kay (31 Jan 2009) "Prayer Request"
Dearest Doves,
After reading about the devalued dollar, and rising inflation, my aunt wanted to buy some gold coins to protect her retirement savings from many, many years of hard work, taking 2 buses a day to and from work every day. Since she doesn't have a computer, she wanted me to buy them for her, and what seemed like a good deal was listed on eBay. Long story short, she ended up being ripped off for $16,000. The guy has pulled this same scam I discovered two others with watches to the tune of over $100,000 between two other buyers. We have turned this over the police, and the FBI and even Interpol may need to get involved as he probably is in another country. eBay shut him down.
Please pray for this thief to be caught, and her money returned. She, being a baby Christian is completely trusting God, (isn't that awesome!) while I on the other hand (although I trust the Lord in all things) have been a mess--stressed out to the point of being sick. I feel so guilty for not knowing the difference between an actual site and one that has been stolen, and still don't. First time I ever had a problem on eBay.
We know that God can do ALL things, so please pray that he/they will be caught and her hard-earned money returned to her. I think anyone who steals from a 91 yr old widow is the lowest form of life.
Thank you for agreeing with me in prayer for her. I sure don't want this or anything to shake her faith.
Kay
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The aunt was a fool for trusting a false prophet to invest her money. false prophet Kay was a fool for "investing" on an obvious scam on ebay.
If you have this kind of money to invest, go through a reputable gold broker and not an ebay scammer. Anyone who sends an ebay "gold dealer" $16,000. is asking to be scammed.
The aunt's faith in false prophets SHOULD be shaken. false prophet Kay doesn't even have discernment to know the difference between what G-d says and the false prophecies posted on the five demons ("doves") web site. NOBODY - even her aunt - should listen to false prophet Kay or any other false prophet under ANY circumstance.
Friends don't let friends ebay - it is a den of scammers and thieves.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2009/kay131.htm
Kay (31 Jan 2009) "Prayer Request"
Dearest Doves,
After reading about the devalued dollar, and rising inflation, my aunt wanted to buy some gold coins to protect her retirement savings from many, many years of hard work, taking 2 buses a day to and from work every day. Since she doesn't have a computer, she wanted me to buy them for her, and what seemed like a good deal was listed on eBay. Long story short, she ended up being ripped off for $16,000. The guy has pulled this same scam I discovered two others with watches to the tune of over $100,000 between two other buyers. We have turned this over the police, and the FBI and even Interpol may need to get involved as he probably is in another country. eBay shut him down.
Please pray for this thief to be caught, and her money returned. She, being a baby Christian is completely trusting God, (isn't that awesome!) while I on the other hand (although I trust the Lord in all things) have been a mess--stressed out to the point of being sick. I feel so guilty for not knowing the difference between an actual site and one that has been stolen, and still don't. First time I ever had a problem on eBay.
We know that God can do ALL things, so please pray that he/they will be caught and her hard-earned money returned to her. I think anyone who steals from a 91 yr old widow is the lowest form of life.
Thank you for agreeing with me in prayer for her. I sure don't want this or anything to shake her faith.
Kay
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Friday, January 30, 2009
false prophet BG Ellis claims the Holy Spirit told him the rapture would be on february 6, 2009
When the date fails, false prophet BG Ellis will either claim the Holy Spirit lied to him or he "misinterpreted" what the Holy Spirit allegedly told him.
When this date fails, it will prove BG Ellis is a false prophet who is following a demon that calls itself 'Holy Spirit'
2 Peter 2
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
II Tim 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2009/bge130.htm
BG Ellis (30 Jan 2009) "Our Rapture will be by February 6, 2009! EVERYTHING FINALLY FITS!"
Last year, the Lord was showing me in His Wisdom the importance of the Feasts and ceremonies (especially the wedding ceremony) and them being a rehearsal for things to come.When Jesus came the first time, He fulfilled all the Spring feasts.1. Crucified on Passover2. Entombed on feast of unleavened bread3. Arose on Feast of First Fruits4. Holy Spirit given on Sukhot (Pentecost)In the ancient Jewish wedding ceremony, the Bridal party waits at the house of the bride all day for the Bridegroom to come. Messengers come throughout the day telling them the Bridegroom is imminent.The normal time the bridegroom would come is 11:30pm.However, after Rosh Hashanah came and went, I personally didn?t think about this being the year UNTIL I went back and checked something in scripture.Mat 25:5While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.Mat 25:6And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.Now, according to the wedding ceremony that was part of the Jewish tradition, the bridegroom comes at 11:30, but HERE we see with Christ He tarries about 30 minutes (Midnight)But know something... the Bridal party KNEW the day and would hang out in the house of the Bride. Many people, John Hagee, etc... were given the knowledge of the Feasts and their tie into the first and second coming, and many people (believers) were looking at Rosh Hashanah 2008.But... when he tarried, some of those in the bridal party (5 virgins) let their oil go out and it appears, go back to their normal lives... perhaps dismayed that the date they were told by their church leaders fell through.It was a few weeks ago when I saw the scripture again that He tarried a little while that I started doing Internet searches for people who were getting this thought as well.
Now... most of the teaching has been according to the feasts going FORWARD. i.e... Rosh Hashanah starts the Rapture, Sabbath Shuvah (7 days) is the Tribulation, and Yom Kippur represents Armageddon.But, I was led to see ANOTHER scripture that puts it NOT going forward from the feast, but instead going BACKWARDS!Isa 46:10Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times [the things] that are not [yet] done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: Declaring the END first, and determine the beginning of things NOT yet done from that end time.So, with the blood moon eclipses that occur on Feasts in Israel in 2014 and 2015, we have the tie into Revelation where the sky will darken, and the moon become as blood. And the Window therefore has to be...Oct 29 - Jan 11th 2009 ? Feb 6th 2009. Why?This is the window that encompasses all the feasts remaining going BACKWARDS 2520 days.In the case of Jan 11th 2009 ... 2520 days ends on the LAST feast of the year... Hanukkah 2015.In the case of Feb 6th 2009 .?. 2520 days ends on the FIRST day of the new year..(January 1, 2016).
This brings me to my next point; several people (including myself) have been seeing 11:11 or 1:11 when they look at a digital clock (see the articles below). Just as we refer to the World Trade Center attack as 9/11, at first we thought that the Holy Spirit was pointing to our rapture date of Jan 11th 2009 ... 2520 days ends on the LAST feast of the year... Hanukkah 2015.
However, when January 11, 2009 came and went, more and more people were seeing 11:11 on their digital clock! It was if The Holy Spirit was screaming the ?11th day of the 11th month?! If we use our modern Gregorian calendar that date would be November 11, 2009 and if you add the 2520 days that brings us to the date of: October 16, 2016. However, that did not make sense, I always thought that when Jesus returns on: (September 23, 2015, The Day of Atonement 2015 and the start of a new Jubilee year), that He would have everything rapped up by the end of the fiscal year 2015 on the modern Gregorian calendar. Just as January 1, 2016 would start a new fiscal year on the modern calendar, I felt that this date would start the 1st fiscal year of Jesus? reign on the modern Gregorian calendar!
Then it happened, Vincent got the inspiration (see his article below) to use the Hebrew Calendar! If you calculate the 11th day of the 11th month on the Hebrew Calendar you come to the date: February 5, 2009 (CLICK HERE FOR CALCULATION).
NOW THIS BLOWS MY MIND: IF YOU ADD 2520 DAYS (7-Jewish Years) to February 5, 2009, you come exactly to December 31, 2015 the last day of 2015! (CLICK HERE FOR CALCULATION)!
EVERYTHING FINALLY FITS TOGETHER!
The odds that this date (Given by The Holy Spirit) occurring by random, fitting the above criteria, goes off the charts!
It sure does look like our Rapture will be by:
February 6, 2009!
THE LORD IS AWESOME!
HERE ARE THE ARTICLES on 111:
Rose (3 Nov 2008) "There Back"
Ok Doves, last week I have been seeing 11:11 or 1:11 in my house. In my dreams I am seeing 11 11 or 1 11. Help? What is the purpose of 11 11????? Does anyone know? This was no coincidence, I was meant to see these numbers. Please help? YSIC Rose
Rene (4 Nov 2008) "re: ROSE "They're Back""
Rose, I continue to see the number 153 everywhere (153 is the number for the Rapture) - however - yesterday ALL day for some reason - I was seeing
111 too!
Rene
Lisaleenie (5 Nov 2008) "To Rose Oct 3rd Letter"
Hello Rose, I have seen the numbers 111 everywhere I go, too. Sometimes I have a strong impression to look at the clock, and it will say 11:11 or 1:11 at night. I can?t help but wonder if that is the month and day for the rapture. It?s amazing to me that I?m not the only one who has seen those numbers, too. I still see the numbers 111 all the time, especially in my digital clock. What does it mean? I don?t know, either, but it looks like other doves are getting those numbers, too. Any thoughts? Lisaleenie
1 11 sign
I have also been seeing 11:11 or 1:11 come up as I glance up at the clock both in the morning and night. I looked up Jeremiah 11:11 which states that Judah will be judged," I will bring on them a disaster they can not escape". Is this happening to our country now as we watch an economic meltdown occurring on a daily basis? As I look now the stock market is down almost 600 points! I wonder when total panic sets in as people see their life savings erode in front of their eyes and martial law has to be declared to keep order. I feel more natural disasters are right around the corner. We need to pray for our country.
Bill Kangas
Laura (21 Jan 2009) "ELEVEN "OVERKILL""
Having been baffled at all the 11's that others were noticing - but not I - probably because I am not observant or not looking for that number, I read in our church bulletin that there was a study of "The End Times" that would meet on Sundays at 11 am in Room D-11 at 1111 University Dr. Now I really want to know what all this means!
Laura
Robert Thigpen (28 Jan 2009) "11:11"
Hi, I'm a regular visitor at the website: http://home.flash.net/~evt/rapture.htm and I believe I've seen all of the letters from five doves on there. I saw the one on there about several people seeing the signs up 11:11 or 1:11 etc. on a clock or something, and I thought that was very interesting. Well I saw those posts on the website a few weeks ago. I've been on the computer tonight for several hours. The TV has been off for atleast 3 hours. I finally decided to take a break from the computer and turn the Television on and as I pointed the remote control to the TV I noticed the cable box read 11:11. I was speechless. I was like that's exactly what the people from five doves said they were seeing.Well as most or all of the other people who've been seeing this, I don't know what to make of it. I believe that God is going to reveal it to me though. Your letters always help to keep my faith high so I wanted to return the favor.We may have guessed the wrong date in the past but I still believe the Rapture is closer than we think.Keep looking upRobert
__Welcome to the Doves, Robert!John
Vincent Joseph (28 Jan 2009) "100 Days & 1111s = Feb 6, 2009 Rapture Watch Day"
Many of us were expecting the 1111s signs we have all been getting these past couple of months to end up this past 1/11/09 with our rapture. But maybe we were just using the wrong calendar. Instead of using our calendar, maybe the 1111s signs, dreams and visions were all pointing to the 11th month and 11th day on the Hebrew Calendar. Which will be next week - Feb. 6, 2009 We have been looking at Oct. 29, 2008 as the beginning of the 70th Week of Daniel. The day Obama gave his worldwide 30-minute speech. From that day to Feb 6, 2009 is 100 days. I looked up this number in Ed Vallowe's biblical math book. The #100 stands for God's Election of Grace & Children of Promise Isaac, a child of promise was born when his father was a HUNDRED years old. Galatians 4:28 says that Isaac was, are the children of promise. The number 100 is connected with Isaac's sowing and reaping, and God's blessing Genesis 26:12 -" Isaac sowed in the land, and received in the same year a HUNDRED fold blessing" Isaac received this HUNDRED fold blessing in the harvest time. In His parable about the tares Jesus said, " The Harvest is the End of the World " then the Lord will gather His wheat (harvest) into His barn. This reaping will be at the end of the Church Age. Jesus identified those He would save as sheep. In Math 18:11-12 the number of sheep are ONE HUNDRED in John 10:16 Jesus said, " His sheep hear His voice, and there shall be ONE FOLD and ONE HUNDRED " By this Jesus is comparing His OWN to SHEEP, which shall be gathered into ONE FOLD. And the number for sheep is ONE HUNDRED it is obvious here that the number ONE HUNDRED stands for us believers in Jesus Christ. Did He leave us a major clue here? Will it be 100 days from Oct. 29, 2008, the beginning of Daniel's 70 Week to both our rapture flight and the start of the Tribulation Judgments on Feb 6, 2009, I think its very possible!!!
Coming of Christ can only occur in 2015!
?Just Thinking Out Loud Here"
No, he doesn?t change his word at all to accommodate... The bottom line is that everybody, including you and me, has our own interpretations. Its all a matter of who thinks they are right according to scripture, and who is not. I do not see the word Tribulation in your phrase "Because thou hast kept the Word of My patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the Earth. I 100% believe we are in the 70th week of Daniel. And I believe it started this year... Because if you want to go against the scriptures, you will, if you are saying that the 70th week didn?t start this year 2008... Ill tell you why. The day that the sun turns to dark sackcloth, and the moon to blood as it speaks of during Armageddon, can ONLY occur in 2015. It cannot happen after that, because the next time it does, it?s 50-100 years later. There are no more 4 consecutive eclipses on exact Jewish feast days until 2050 or whatever date it is. If the 2nd coming is in 2050, then the bible was completely wrong when it said that the generation that is alive when Israel becomes a nation, is the generation that will be alive on earth when ALL THINGS are fulfilled. So you see, I am sticking to the scriptures, and the fact of the matter, that the 2nd coming of Christ can only occur in 2015.. There is no way, how, shape or form that it can occur at any other time, because of what the bible specifically says, period. That is it. THE GENERATION THAT IS ALIVE TO SEE ISRAEL BECOME A NATION, IS THE GENERATION THAT WILL BE ALIVE AT THE 2ND COMING OF CHRIST. That CANNOT occur in 2050. It?s impossible. And that is the next time we will see Armageddon symptoms taking place in the sun and the moon, on exact Jewish feast days. With that said, we know for a fact that the 2nd coming is taking place in 2015. This is according to NASA`s charting on the lunar, and solar eclipses on exact Jewish feast days, Pentecost, Passover, Trumpets, and Tabernacles. With that being said, because the 70th week of Daniel is shortened for the elect?s sake, "maybe" it has not started yet. It very well may not have. But I will tell you EXACTLY when it?s going to end. It?s going to end on Yom Kippur 2015...
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When this date fails, it will prove BG Ellis is a false prophet who is following a demon that calls itself 'Holy Spirit'
2 Peter 2
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
II Tim 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2009/bge130.htm
BG Ellis (30 Jan 2009) "Our Rapture will be by February 6, 2009! EVERYTHING FINALLY FITS!"
Last year, the Lord was showing me in His Wisdom the importance of the Feasts and ceremonies (especially the wedding ceremony) and them being a rehearsal for things to come.When Jesus came the first time, He fulfilled all the Spring feasts.1. Crucified on Passover2. Entombed on feast of unleavened bread3. Arose on Feast of First Fruits4. Holy Spirit given on Sukhot (Pentecost)In the ancient Jewish wedding ceremony, the Bridal party waits at the house of the bride all day for the Bridegroom to come. Messengers come throughout the day telling them the Bridegroom is imminent.The normal time the bridegroom would come is 11:30pm.However, after Rosh Hashanah came and went, I personally didn?t think about this being the year UNTIL I went back and checked something in scripture.Mat 25:5While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.Mat 25:6And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.Now, according to the wedding ceremony that was part of the Jewish tradition, the bridegroom comes at 11:30, but HERE we see with Christ He tarries about 30 minutes (Midnight)But know something... the Bridal party KNEW the day and would hang out in the house of the Bride. Many people, John Hagee, etc... were given the knowledge of the Feasts and their tie into the first and second coming, and many people (believers) were looking at Rosh Hashanah 2008.But... when he tarried, some of those in the bridal party (5 virgins) let their oil go out and it appears, go back to their normal lives... perhaps dismayed that the date they were told by their church leaders fell through.It was a few weeks ago when I saw the scripture again that He tarried a little while that I started doing Internet searches for people who were getting this thought as well.
Now... most of the teaching has been according to the feasts going FORWARD. i.e... Rosh Hashanah starts the Rapture, Sabbath Shuvah (7 days) is the Tribulation, and Yom Kippur represents Armageddon.But, I was led to see ANOTHER scripture that puts it NOT going forward from the feast, but instead going BACKWARDS!Isa 46:10Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times [the things] that are not [yet] done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: Declaring the END first, and determine the beginning of things NOT yet done from that end time.So, with the blood moon eclipses that occur on Feasts in Israel in 2014 and 2015, we have the tie into Revelation where the sky will darken, and the moon become as blood. And the Window therefore has to be...Oct 29 - Jan 11th 2009 ? Feb 6th 2009. Why?This is the window that encompasses all the feasts remaining going BACKWARDS 2520 days.In the case of Jan 11th 2009 ... 2520 days ends on the LAST feast of the year... Hanukkah 2015.In the case of Feb 6th 2009 .?. 2520 days ends on the FIRST day of the new year..(January 1, 2016).
This brings me to my next point; several people (including myself) have been seeing 11:11 or 1:11 when they look at a digital clock (see the articles below). Just as we refer to the World Trade Center attack as 9/11, at first we thought that the Holy Spirit was pointing to our rapture date of Jan 11th 2009 ... 2520 days ends on the LAST feast of the year... Hanukkah 2015.
However, when January 11, 2009 came and went, more and more people were seeing 11:11 on their digital clock! It was if The Holy Spirit was screaming the ?11th day of the 11th month?! If we use our modern Gregorian calendar that date would be November 11, 2009 and if you add the 2520 days that brings us to the date of: October 16, 2016. However, that did not make sense, I always thought that when Jesus returns on: (September 23, 2015, The Day of Atonement 2015 and the start of a new Jubilee year), that He would have everything rapped up by the end of the fiscal year 2015 on the modern Gregorian calendar. Just as January 1, 2016 would start a new fiscal year on the modern calendar, I felt that this date would start the 1st fiscal year of Jesus? reign on the modern Gregorian calendar!
Then it happened, Vincent got the inspiration (see his article below) to use the Hebrew Calendar! If you calculate the 11th day of the 11th month on the Hebrew Calendar you come to the date: February 5, 2009 (CLICK HERE FOR CALCULATION).
NOW THIS BLOWS MY MIND: IF YOU ADD 2520 DAYS (7-Jewish Years) to February 5, 2009, you come exactly to December 31, 2015 the last day of 2015! (CLICK HERE FOR CALCULATION)!
EVERYTHING FINALLY FITS TOGETHER!
The odds that this date (Given by The Holy Spirit) occurring by random, fitting the above criteria, goes off the charts!
It sure does look like our Rapture will be by:
February 6, 2009!
THE LORD IS AWESOME!
HERE ARE THE ARTICLES on 111:
Rose (3 Nov 2008) "There Back"
Ok Doves, last week I have been seeing 11:11 or 1:11 in my house. In my dreams I am seeing 11 11 or 1 11. Help? What is the purpose of 11 11????? Does anyone know? This was no coincidence, I was meant to see these numbers. Please help? YSIC Rose
Rene (4 Nov 2008) "re: ROSE "They're Back""
Rose, I continue to see the number 153 everywhere (153 is the number for the Rapture) - however - yesterday ALL day for some reason - I was seeing
111 too!
Rene
Lisaleenie (5 Nov 2008) "To Rose Oct 3rd Letter"
Hello Rose, I have seen the numbers 111 everywhere I go, too. Sometimes I have a strong impression to look at the clock, and it will say 11:11 or 1:11 at night. I can?t help but wonder if that is the month and day for the rapture. It?s amazing to me that I?m not the only one who has seen those numbers, too. I still see the numbers 111 all the time, especially in my digital clock. What does it mean? I don?t know, either, but it looks like other doves are getting those numbers, too. Any thoughts? Lisaleenie
1 11 sign
I have also been seeing 11:11 or 1:11 come up as I glance up at the clock both in the morning and night. I looked up Jeremiah 11:11 which states that Judah will be judged," I will bring on them a disaster they can not escape". Is this happening to our country now as we watch an economic meltdown occurring on a daily basis? As I look now the stock market is down almost 600 points! I wonder when total panic sets in as people see their life savings erode in front of their eyes and martial law has to be declared to keep order. I feel more natural disasters are right around the corner. We need to pray for our country.
Bill Kangas
Laura (21 Jan 2009) "ELEVEN "OVERKILL""
Having been baffled at all the 11's that others were noticing - but not I - probably because I am not observant or not looking for that number, I read in our church bulletin that there was a study of "The End Times" that would meet on Sundays at 11 am in Room D-11 at 1111 University Dr. Now I really want to know what all this means!
Laura
Robert Thigpen (28 Jan 2009) "11:11"
Hi, I'm a regular visitor at the website: http://home.flash.net/~evt/rapture.htm and I believe I've seen all of the letters from five doves on there. I saw the one on there about several people seeing the signs up 11:11 or 1:11 etc. on a clock or something, and I thought that was very interesting. Well I saw those posts on the website a few weeks ago. I've been on the computer tonight for several hours. The TV has been off for atleast 3 hours. I finally decided to take a break from the computer and turn the Television on and as I pointed the remote control to the TV I noticed the cable box read 11:11. I was speechless. I was like that's exactly what the people from five doves said they were seeing.Well as most or all of the other people who've been seeing this, I don't know what to make of it. I believe that God is going to reveal it to me though. Your letters always help to keep my faith high so I wanted to return the favor.We may have guessed the wrong date in the past but I still believe the Rapture is closer than we think.Keep looking upRobert
__Welcome to the Doves, Robert!John
Vincent Joseph (28 Jan 2009) "100 Days & 1111s = Feb 6, 2009 Rapture Watch Day"
Many of us were expecting the 1111s signs we have all been getting these past couple of months to end up this past 1/11/09 with our rapture. But maybe we were just using the wrong calendar. Instead of using our calendar, maybe the 1111s signs, dreams and visions were all pointing to the 11th month and 11th day on the Hebrew Calendar. Which will be next week - Feb. 6, 2009 We have been looking at Oct. 29, 2008 as the beginning of the 70th Week of Daniel. The day Obama gave his worldwide 30-minute speech. From that day to Feb 6, 2009 is 100 days. I looked up this number in Ed Vallowe's biblical math book. The #100 stands for God's Election of Grace & Children of Promise Isaac, a child of promise was born when his father was a HUNDRED years old. Galatians 4:28 says that Isaac was, are the children of promise. The number 100 is connected with Isaac's sowing and reaping, and God's blessing Genesis 26:12 -" Isaac sowed in the land, and received in the same year a HUNDRED fold blessing" Isaac received this HUNDRED fold blessing in the harvest time. In His parable about the tares Jesus said, " The Harvest is the End of the World " then the Lord will gather His wheat (harvest) into His barn. This reaping will be at the end of the Church Age. Jesus identified those He would save as sheep. In Math 18:11-12 the number of sheep are ONE HUNDRED in John 10:16 Jesus said, " His sheep hear His voice, and there shall be ONE FOLD and ONE HUNDRED " By this Jesus is comparing His OWN to SHEEP, which shall be gathered into ONE FOLD. And the number for sheep is ONE HUNDRED it is obvious here that the number ONE HUNDRED stands for us believers in Jesus Christ. Did He leave us a major clue here? Will it be 100 days from Oct. 29, 2008, the beginning of Daniel's 70 Week to both our rapture flight and the start of the Tribulation Judgments on Feb 6, 2009, I think its very possible!!!
Coming of Christ can only occur in 2015!
?Just Thinking Out Loud Here"
No, he doesn?t change his word at all to accommodate... The bottom line is that everybody, including you and me, has our own interpretations. Its all a matter of who thinks they are right according to scripture, and who is not. I do not see the word Tribulation in your phrase "Because thou hast kept the Word of My patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the Earth. I 100% believe we are in the 70th week of Daniel. And I believe it started this year... Because if you want to go against the scriptures, you will, if you are saying that the 70th week didn?t start this year 2008... Ill tell you why. The day that the sun turns to dark sackcloth, and the moon to blood as it speaks of during Armageddon, can ONLY occur in 2015. It cannot happen after that, because the next time it does, it?s 50-100 years later. There are no more 4 consecutive eclipses on exact Jewish feast days until 2050 or whatever date it is. If the 2nd coming is in 2050, then the bible was completely wrong when it said that the generation that is alive when Israel becomes a nation, is the generation that will be alive on earth when ALL THINGS are fulfilled. So you see, I am sticking to the scriptures, and the fact of the matter, that the 2nd coming of Christ can only occur in 2015.. There is no way, how, shape or form that it can occur at any other time, because of what the bible specifically says, period. That is it. THE GENERATION THAT IS ALIVE TO SEE ISRAEL BECOME A NATION, IS THE GENERATION THAT WILL BE ALIVE AT THE 2ND COMING OF CHRIST. That CANNOT occur in 2050. It?s impossible. And that is the next time we will see Armageddon symptoms taking place in the sun and the moon, on exact Jewish feast days. With that said, we know for a fact that the 2nd coming is taking place in 2015. This is according to NASA`s charting on the lunar, and solar eclipses on exact Jewish feast days, Pentecost, Passover, Trumpets, and Tabernacles. With that being said, because the 70th week of Daniel is shortened for the elect?s sake, "maybe" it has not started yet. It very well may not have. But I will tell you EXACTLY when it?s going to end. It?s going to end on Yom Kippur 2015...
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Thursday, January 29, 2009
false prophet Ted Porter - infatuated with numerology and omens.
Ted Porter has a thing for numbers - even though G-d forbids numerology and interpretation of omens. NOWHERE does false prophet Ted Porter even try to show his numerology and satanic garbage is in the bible - because it is NOT and G-d forbids the satanic garbage he is posting about.
II Tim 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
Deuteronomy 18:10-12 "There shall not be found among you anyone who uses divination or who practices witchcraft or one who interprets omens or is a sorcerer or who casts a spell or is a medium or a spiritist or who calls up the dead. For whosoever does these things is detestable to the Lord."
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2009/tedp129.htm
Ted Porter (29 Jan 2009) "Interesting Time: Friday the 13th right before Midnight UT on February 13, 2009 - 23:31:30"
Unix Time, which counts the number of seconds past 00:00 Universal Time on January 1st, 1970, will be at the exact second on February 13, 2009, 23:31:30, equal to:
1234567890
This can be confirmed by using a spreadsheet and inserting the date 1/1/1970 in one cell and inserting in another cell the sum of the first cell plus 1234567890/60/60/24 (to convert the number of seconds to days).
This can also be confirmed by using an online calendar converter such as:
http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/calendar/
While this date has a lot to draw interest to it, I am not convinced at this time that it is in regard to the Rapture of the Church.
Discussion:
Because Friday the 13th will happen in 2009 during February in a non-leap year, March will also have a Friday the 13th. In other words, back to back, Friday the 13th. Also, November in 2009 will have a Friday the 13th. So there will be three Friday the 13th’s in 2009. Normally, the distribution would be one Friday the 13th on average every 7 months. However, in 2010 there is only one Friday the 13th during the year. And in 2011 there is only one Friday the 13th. But in 2012 there are again three Friday the 13th’s. These are interestingly clustered in January, April, and July. In other words this could be stated as three months before April, in April, and again, three months after April.
April 11th, 2012 has been proposed before by the author as the possible start date for the Great Tribulation. It is 1260 days before Yom Kippur, September 23, 2015, the proposed day for the return of Christ. It has also been suggested that this could be the day the two witnesses could be killed and lay dead for 3 ½ days (through Friday the 13th), in parallel to Christ’s passion, before being resurrected.
Interesting!
Shalom, Ted Porter
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II Tim 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
Deuteronomy 18:10-12 "There shall not be found among you anyone who uses divination or who practices witchcraft or one who interprets omens or is a sorcerer or who casts a spell or is a medium or a spiritist or who calls up the dead. For whosoever does these things is detestable to the Lord."
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2009/tedp129.htm
Ted Porter (29 Jan 2009) "Interesting Time: Friday the 13th right before Midnight UT on February 13, 2009 - 23:31:30"
Unix Time, which counts the number of seconds past 00:00 Universal Time on January 1st, 1970, will be at the exact second on February 13, 2009, 23:31:30, equal to:
1234567890
This can be confirmed by using a spreadsheet and inserting the date 1/1/1970 in one cell and inserting in another cell the sum of the first cell plus 1234567890/60/60/24 (to convert the number of seconds to days).
This can also be confirmed by using an online calendar converter such as:
http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/calendar/
While this date has a lot to draw interest to it, I am not convinced at this time that it is in regard to the Rapture of the Church.
Discussion:
Because Friday the 13th will happen in 2009 during February in a non-leap year, March will also have a Friday the 13th. In other words, back to back, Friday the 13th. Also, November in 2009 will have a Friday the 13th. So there will be three Friday the 13th’s in 2009. Normally, the distribution would be one Friday the 13th on average every 7 months. However, in 2010 there is only one Friday the 13th during the year. And in 2011 there is only one Friday the 13th. But in 2012 there are again three Friday the 13th’s. These are interestingly clustered in January, April, and July. In other words this could be stated as three months before April, in April, and again, three months after April.
April 11th, 2012 has been proposed before by the author as the possible start date for the Great Tribulation. It is 1260 days before Yom Kippur, September 23, 2015, the proposed day for the return of Christ. It has also been suggested that this could be the day the two witnesses could be killed and lay dead for 3 ½ days (through Friday the 13th), in parallel to Christ’s passion, before being resurrected.
Interesting!
Shalom, Ted Porter
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false prophet "pastor" FM Riley calls those who continually watch for Messiah yeshua "scoffers" because they do not accept his false prophecies
The bible clearly says the "scoffers" are those who do not watch for Messiah Yeshua's IMMINENT return and make fun of it. In typical false prophet fashion, "pastor" FM Riley twists scripture around and calls people who do not accept his false prophecies "scoffers" because they will not follow his LIES and satanic teachings.
Messiah Yeshua said to KEEP WATCH because we DO NOT KNOW the DAY OR THE HOUR of the rapture - yet all the false prophets on the five demons ("doves") web site teach that we can know the day and the hour of the rapture (so why are they continually wrong with all their date setting false prophecies???)
Those who obey G-d are CONTINUALLY WATCHING for Messiah Yeshua's very soon return - while the false prophets are continually watching "rapture dates" that they and their demons conjured up in wicked disobedience of G-d.
false prophet "pastor" FM RIley GURANTEED the rapture would be in june 2008 - and now he disavows his very own prophecy now claiming he did not know the year as he claimed he did last year.
BTW - he is now claiming the rapture will be THIS year. It may be - but it will be in spite of his yearly false prophecies and not because of them
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2009/fmriley129.htm
F.M. Riley (29 Jan 2009) "Re: Your Post Last year about Spring!!"
Dearest Brother In Yeshua,
I hope you and your wife are doing well! I pray your recovery after your heart surgery is coming along, and you are healing physically My thoughts are with you both, hope you got my Christmas card even though I don¢t celebrate it, could not find any Hanukkah cards last year!. Dear brother you wrote an article last year before spring about a spring Rapture. I can¢t remember if it was Passover or Pentecost do you remember the article that you had a visitation from the LORD??? Sorry my memory is not as good now that I am older but I hope I have jogged your memory enough. Is there anyway you could attach that article so I can re-read it. Have you any thoughts about that article and your visitation from the LORD last year! Oh Brother Riley, never in my wildest dreams would I have thought we would still be here in 2009, and seeing all with our new illegal president the usurper! I have been watching since the 80-s late. Thank-you for your recent study I will read it today. Must we now wait until spring?? Be blessed and thanks for all you do! Your Sister in YESHUA. He IS WORTH waiting for, it¢s just this is, and never has been my home brother I want to g HOME!!
Dear Carolyn,
Yes dear sister, I very well do remember the article I wrote last year about a SPRING rapture. I was reminded of it by every "scoffer" in the country when the rapture did not occur last spring. However, I plainly stated in that article that the only thing the Lord had actually shown me from His Word was that only two Jewish holy days have anything at all to do with the resurrection and rapture of God's people. Those two holy days are "firstfruits" and "Pentecost."
I am well aware of what the Jews claim about Rosh HaShanah, but I can't find a Scripture in God's Word that supports their claim. The fact is, the blowing of trumpets on Rosh HaShanah is about all that even remotely suggests any connection between that date and the rapture of God's people. However, as Numbers 10:9-10 clearly points out, the trumpets were to be blown on every Jewish holy day and even on every "solemn" or "joyful" day of the Jews. The fact that the trumpets are blown on Rosh HaShanah is then proof of nothing in relation to the rapture.
I have also come to realize that there is another way to look at the term, "at the last trump," in 1 Corinthians 15:52. The very first time in God's Word that the word "trumpet" is even mentioned is found in Exodus 19:13. On that occasion it was the trumpet of the Lord which sounded at the giving of the Covenant of the Law to Israel. That was the first sounding of the trumpet of the Lord. We know that the Tribulation period is going to be the final seven years of the Law written in stone for the Jewish people. At the beginning of the Tribulation the Lord is going to reinstitute that Law Covenant with Israel again. Since the trumpet of the Lord sounded at the first institution of the Law, why should it not sound again at the last institution of the Law? If this is correct, then "the last trump" could very well be the last sounding of the trumpet of the Lord in contrast to the first sounding of the trumpet of the Lord, with the Covenant of the Law being instituted on both occasions. Is this view correct? I don't know at this point in time! But neither does anyone else! All I really know is that this is a point worth considering.
Since "firstfruits" was already past when the Lord opened those Scriptures up to me last year,
I assumed that the rapture would occur on Pentecost last year, and looked up the date of Pentecost on my calendar. That is what I would have expected any normal person to do. As it turned out, I was wrong about Pentecost last year. But I was not wrong about what the Lord had showed me about those two Jewish holy days. "If" the resurrection and rapture is going to occur on a Jewish holy day, then I still expect it to occur on either "firstfruits" or "Pentecost." However, the Scriptures no where state that the rapture must occur on a Jewish holy day. Such is not to be found in God's Word.
Since the rapture did not occur last year on either "firstfruits" or "Pentecost," then it is obvious that the Lord has reserved it for this present year; 2009. After carefully studying and restudying many different prophetic Scriptures, I now realize that they all point to this present year for the resurrection and rapture of God's people. I have often said in my studies that God's Word is a "progressive revelation." He reveals to us only what He wants us to know at any given time, and then later reveals more at the time He chooses and for the purpose He chooses. Little by little we learn more and more about the truths of God's Word. Significantly, this is exactly what the Lord told the Jews in Isaiah 28:9-10, and now it is obvious that He is revealing His truth to the Gentiles in the same way. It is our obligations as true believers to seriously study God's Word and "progress" in our understanding as He "progressively" opens the Scriptures to us. By His grace I shall continue to search the Scriptures to learn more about all of His Word and especially about the timing of His coming to resurrect and rapture His people to glory, for that event is "the blessed hope" of God's people, Titus 2:11-15.
Now carefully read my study entitled "111." Yes dear sister, I do believe our Lord is coming to resurrect and rapture His New Testament believers to glory in the SPRING of the year. It could occur on "firstfruits" or on "Pentecost." But it could also appear on the 11th day of the 1st month on the Jewish calendar, which would be "111" on the calendar that the Lord Himself gave to Israel to observe. I can't help but suspect that the Song of Solomon 2:8-13 has reference to the 11th day of the 1st month also. At any rate, we will soon see for our Lord is coming sometime this SPRING.
Sister, SPRING is not all that far away. March 20th is the first day of Spring, Our Lord will give His people [true believers] whatever GRACE we need to sustain us for these next two months, and then we shall be with our Lord for ever. Praise His Holy Name!
God bless you dear sister. Thanks for writing. I'll meet you soon at the great "family reunion" in glory when all of God's children are gathered "home." Praise the Lord! Pray for me.
Pastor F. M. Riley
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Messiah Yeshua said to KEEP WATCH because we DO NOT KNOW the DAY OR THE HOUR of the rapture - yet all the false prophets on the five demons ("doves") web site teach that we can know the day and the hour of the rapture (so why are they continually wrong with all their date setting false prophecies???)
Those who obey G-d are CONTINUALLY WATCHING for Messiah Yeshua's very soon return - while the false prophets are continually watching "rapture dates" that they and their demons conjured up in wicked disobedience of G-d.
false prophet "pastor" FM RIley GURANTEED the rapture would be in june 2008 - and now he disavows his very own prophecy now claiming he did not know the year as he claimed he did last year.
BTW - he is now claiming the rapture will be THIS year. It may be - but it will be in spite of his yearly false prophecies and not because of them
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2009/fmriley129.htm
F.M. Riley (29 Jan 2009) "Re: Your Post Last year about Spring!!"
Dearest Brother In Yeshua,
I hope you and your wife are doing well! I pray your recovery after your heart surgery is coming along, and you are healing physically My thoughts are with you both, hope you got my Christmas card even though I don¢t celebrate it, could not find any Hanukkah cards last year!. Dear brother you wrote an article last year before spring about a spring Rapture. I can¢t remember if it was Passover or Pentecost do you remember the article that you had a visitation from the LORD??? Sorry my memory is not as good now that I am older but I hope I have jogged your memory enough. Is there anyway you could attach that article so I can re-read it. Have you any thoughts about that article and your visitation from the LORD last year! Oh Brother Riley, never in my wildest dreams would I have thought we would still be here in 2009, and seeing all with our new illegal president the usurper! I have been watching since the 80-s late. Thank-you for your recent study I will read it today. Must we now wait until spring?? Be blessed and thanks for all you do! Your Sister in YESHUA. He IS WORTH waiting for, it¢s just this is, and never has been my home brother I want to g HOME!!
Dear Carolyn,
Yes dear sister, I very well do remember the article I wrote last year about a SPRING rapture. I was reminded of it by every "scoffer" in the country when the rapture did not occur last spring. However, I plainly stated in that article that the only thing the Lord had actually shown me from His Word was that only two Jewish holy days have anything at all to do with the resurrection and rapture of God's people. Those two holy days are "firstfruits" and "Pentecost."
I am well aware of what the Jews claim about Rosh HaShanah, but I can't find a Scripture in God's Word that supports their claim. The fact is, the blowing of trumpets on Rosh HaShanah is about all that even remotely suggests any connection between that date and the rapture of God's people. However, as Numbers 10:9-10 clearly points out, the trumpets were to be blown on every Jewish holy day and even on every "solemn" or "joyful" day of the Jews. The fact that the trumpets are blown on Rosh HaShanah is then proof of nothing in relation to the rapture.
I have also come to realize that there is another way to look at the term, "at the last trump," in 1 Corinthians 15:52. The very first time in God's Word that the word "trumpet" is even mentioned is found in Exodus 19:13. On that occasion it was the trumpet of the Lord which sounded at the giving of the Covenant of the Law to Israel. That was the first sounding of the trumpet of the Lord. We know that the Tribulation period is going to be the final seven years of the Law written in stone for the Jewish people. At the beginning of the Tribulation the Lord is going to reinstitute that Law Covenant with Israel again. Since the trumpet of the Lord sounded at the first institution of the Law, why should it not sound again at the last institution of the Law? If this is correct, then "the last trump" could very well be the last sounding of the trumpet of the Lord in contrast to the first sounding of the trumpet of the Lord, with the Covenant of the Law being instituted on both occasions. Is this view correct? I don't know at this point in time! But neither does anyone else! All I really know is that this is a point worth considering.
Since "firstfruits" was already past when the Lord opened those Scriptures up to me last year,
I assumed that the rapture would occur on Pentecost last year, and looked up the date of Pentecost on my calendar. That is what I would have expected any normal person to do. As it turned out, I was wrong about Pentecost last year. But I was not wrong about what the Lord had showed me about those two Jewish holy days. "If" the resurrection and rapture is going to occur on a Jewish holy day, then I still expect it to occur on either "firstfruits" or "Pentecost." However, the Scriptures no where state that the rapture must occur on a Jewish holy day. Such is not to be found in God's Word.
Since the rapture did not occur last year on either "firstfruits" or "Pentecost," then it is obvious that the Lord has reserved it for this present year; 2009. After carefully studying and restudying many different prophetic Scriptures, I now realize that they all point to this present year for the resurrection and rapture of God's people. I have often said in my studies that God's Word is a "progressive revelation." He reveals to us only what He wants us to know at any given time, and then later reveals more at the time He chooses and for the purpose He chooses. Little by little we learn more and more about the truths of God's Word. Significantly, this is exactly what the Lord told the Jews in Isaiah 28:9-10, and now it is obvious that He is revealing His truth to the Gentiles in the same way. It is our obligations as true believers to seriously study God's Word and "progress" in our understanding as He "progressively" opens the Scriptures to us. By His grace I shall continue to search the Scriptures to learn more about all of His Word and especially about the timing of His coming to resurrect and rapture His people to glory, for that event is "the blessed hope" of God's people, Titus 2:11-15.
Now carefully read my study entitled "111." Yes dear sister, I do believe our Lord is coming to resurrect and rapture His New Testament believers to glory in the SPRING of the year. It could occur on "firstfruits" or on "Pentecost." But it could also appear on the 11th day of the 1st month on the Jewish calendar, which would be "111" on the calendar that the Lord Himself gave to Israel to observe. I can't help but suspect that the Song of Solomon 2:8-13 has reference to the 11th day of the 1st month also. At any rate, we will soon see for our Lord is coming sometime this SPRING.
Sister, SPRING is not all that far away. March 20th is the first day of Spring, Our Lord will give His people [true believers] whatever GRACE we need to sustain us for these next two months, and then we shall be with our Lord for ever. Praise His Holy Name!
God bless you dear sister. Thanks for writing. I'll meet you soon at the great "family reunion" in glory when all of God's children are gathered "home." Praise the Lord! Pray for me.
Pastor F. M. Riley
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Wednesday, January 28, 2009
satanist John Tng (owner of the five demons ["doves'] web site) PROVES he is not a Christian
satanist John Tng (owner of the demonic five demons ["doves"] web site) makes a very interesting statement that "we need to walk in the light as he is in the light"
Who is "he" ? it must be the demon "god" ba-al (tammuz / satan) that false prophet John Tng worships since Messiah Yeshua is not "in the light" ---- HE *IS* THE LIGHT
John 8
12 Again therefore Messiah Yeshua spoke unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in the darkness, but shall have the light of life.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2009/tng128.htm
John Tng (28 Jan 2009) "Outer Darkness Thread"
Dear Doves,I am closing the thread on the outer darkness. :(Thanks for understanding.Let us all walk in the light as He is in the light.John
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Who is "he" ? it must be the demon "god" ba-al (tammuz / satan) that false prophet John Tng worships since Messiah Yeshua is not "in the light" ---- HE *IS* THE LIGHT
John 8
12 Again therefore Messiah Yeshua spoke unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in the darkness, but shall have the light of life.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2009/tng128.htm
John Tng (28 Jan 2009) "Outer Darkness Thread"
Dear Doves,I am closing the thread on the outer darkness. :(Thanks for understanding.Let us all walk in the light as He is in the light.John
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false prophet Bruce Warner makes several more SPECIFIC false prophecies
I'll bet you anything that when they fail he will add days to the prophecy and claim his prophecy date was only a "warning date" Just like false prophet Ron Reese claimed january 11, 2009 would be the rapture and now is claiming it was a "warning date" or was "just a potential rapture date".
The false prophets REPEATEDLY prove themselves to be false prophets and yet the weak, gullible, and foolish continue to listen to them and follow them and their false prophecies.
II Tim 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2009/brucew128.htm
Bruce Warner (28 Jan 2009) "THE 'FALSE PROPHET' WILL BE ELECTED 'PRESIDENT OF ISRAEL' IN FEBRUARY 2009"
Dear Doves,
He will 'betray Israel' by signing the '7-year peace treaty' which begins the tribulation on, or just after, Pentecost 2009. We will be raptured just prior to that on 'Ascension Day or Pentecost' 2009. The anti-Christ will also be revealed by his signing of the 'peace treaty'. We will know the identification of both the false prophet and the anti-Christ just prior to our rapture. I think that Nicholas Sarkozy of France makes a good candidate for the a-C. He has already formed a coalition of Middle-east countries.
Mid-tribulation will fall in the year 2012, 42 months after the signing of the 'peace treaty'. We all know what happens after that.
Come Lord Jesus!
Bruce Warner
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The false prophets REPEATEDLY prove themselves to be false prophets and yet the weak, gullible, and foolish continue to listen to them and follow them and their false prophecies.
II Tim 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2009/brucew128.htm
Bruce Warner (28 Jan 2009) "THE 'FALSE PROPHET' WILL BE ELECTED 'PRESIDENT OF ISRAEL' IN FEBRUARY 2009"
Dear Doves,
He will 'betray Israel' by signing the '7-year peace treaty' which begins the tribulation on, or just after, Pentecost 2009. We will be raptured just prior to that on 'Ascension Day or Pentecost' 2009. The anti-Christ will also be revealed by his signing of the 'peace treaty'. We will know the identification of both the false prophet and the anti-Christ just prior to our rapture. I think that Nicholas Sarkozy of France makes a good candidate for the a-C. He has already formed a coalition of Middle-east countries.
Mid-tribulation will fall in the year 2012, 42 months after the signing of the 'peace treaty'. We all know what happens after that.
Come Lord Jesus!
Bruce Warner
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Monday, January 26, 2009
false prophets are STILL claiming bush is the last president - and claim false prophecies saying he is are not false
Whenever a false prophets prophecies fail one thing is for certain - they will never admit they were false prophecies and they will claim the false prophecies were just "misinterpreted (pretty hard to misinterpret the prophecy that bush was the last president or that the rapture would happen on january 11, 2009)
false prophet Scott Walkington's prophecy that bush was the last president FAILED and he is proven to be a false prophet. false prophet Ron Reese' prophecy that obama confirmed the coventant during his october 29, 2008 infomercial (proving that he is the antimessiah) was a LIE and the prophecy he gave stating the rapture would be on january 11, 2009 was a FALSE PROPHECY.
false prophet 'THEOPHILOS' is stating we need to give the false prophets yet another chance. G-d says one failed prophecy and they are doomed and His followers are not to listen to the false prophets.
Matthew 7
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2009/theophilos126-1.htm
THEOPHILOS (26 Jan 2009) "Bush was the LAST president"
Immediately as Obama was being sworn in, I fled into my prayer closet, sobbing my heart out. While I was crying out to God over what is happening to the U.S., I heard and saw a few things of interest.
First, I saw George Bush, and next to him was a full-length oil painting of George Washington. "Hmm", I thought, "The first president and the last president." I heard the words, "This is the END OF THE AGE OF THE PRESIDENTS. Rejoice, for now the countdown has begun."
Then it began to come into focus in my spirit. I believe the Lord was showing me that Bush WAS the last president, and I was shown that Obama is just a tool to dismantle the Republic and the Constitution, to bring in the New World Order. America must cease to exist as a sovereign nation, before this can happen. Obama is NOT a president of the United States.
I don't know what will happen next, I don't know if Obama will be thrown out of office and Bush will be reinstated, or not. I think another possibility -- and these are all speculations -- is that a great natural catastrophe or national disaster will occur, and there will not be another president in the White House, legitimate or not. There probably won't even BE a White House.
I believe the jury is still out, where Scott Walkington is concerned. All things may not be as they seem. Sometimes, it takes a while to LOOK BACK and see, "Yes, indeed, it DID happen that way." I don't believe Scott gave a false prophecy, I think he's quite right. We just haven't seen ALL the pieces of the puzzle fit together yet. And by the time they fit together, WE'LL BE GONE!!! Then, who will care about prophecies? (chuckling to myself)
Just as an aside, receiving a prophetic word is really a tricky business; it's the INTERPRETATION of that word that can hang us up. Sometimes God speaks to us in parables. As a personal example, the Lord gave me a strong, LOUD prophetic word in 1982 that Jesus was coming back for the church in 1984. I told everybody. It took another 10 years for me to figure it all out: the Lord was showing me that beginning in 1984 Jesus was coming back to take the church out of the world SYSTEM, ("we are in the world but not OF the world") NOT rapture us to heaven. He was beginning His refining and purification of His bride in 1984. Many, many Christians were put in the fire of testing at that time, myself included. THAT is what He meant. It took ten years for that to become obvious.
Give Scott a chance.
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false prophet Scott Walkington's prophecy that bush was the last president FAILED and he is proven to be a false prophet. false prophet Ron Reese' prophecy that obama confirmed the coventant during his october 29, 2008 infomercial (proving that he is the antimessiah) was a LIE and the prophecy he gave stating the rapture would be on january 11, 2009 was a FALSE PROPHECY.
false prophet 'THEOPHILOS' is stating we need to give the false prophets yet another chance. G-d says one failed prophecy and they are doomed and His followers are not to listen to the false prophets.
Matthew 7
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
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THEOPHILOS (26 Jan 2009) "Bush was the LAST president"
Immediately as Obama was being sworn in, I fled into my prayer closet, sobbing my heart out. While I was crying out to God over what is happening to the U.S., I heard and saw a few things of interest.
First, I saw George Bush, and next to him was a full-length oil painting of George Washington. "Hmm", I thought, "The first president and the last president." I heard the words, "This is the END OF THE AGE OF THE PRESIDENTS. Rejoice, for now the countdown has begun."
Then it began to come into focus in my spirit. I believe the Lord was showing me that Bush WAS the last president, and I was shown that Obama is just a tool to dismantle the Republic and the Constitution, to bring in the New World Order. America must cease to exist as a sovereign nation, before this can happen. Obama is NOT a president of the United States.
I don't know what will happen next, I don't know if Obama will be thrown out of office and Bush will be reinstated, or not. I think another possibility -- and these are all speculations -- is that a great natural catastrophe or national disaster will occur, and there will not be another president in the White House, legitimate or not. There probably won't even BE a White House.
I believe the jury is still out, where Scott Walkington is concerned. All things may not be as they seem. Sometimes, it takes a while to LOOK BACK and see, "Yes, indeed, it DID happen that way." I don't believe Scott gave a false prophecy, I think he's quite right. We just haven't seen ALL the pieces of the puzzle fit together yet. And by the time they fit together, WE'LL BE GONE!!! Then, who will care about prophecies? (chuckling to myself)
Just as an aside, receiving a prophetic word is really a tricky business; it's the INTERPRETATION of that word that can hang us up. Sometimes God speaks to us in parables. As a personal example, the Lord gave me a strong, LOUD prophetic word in 1982 that Jesus was coming back for the church in 1984. I told everybody. It took another 10 years for me to figure it all out: the Lord was showing me that beginning in 1984 Jesus was coming back to take the church out of the world SYSTEM, ("we are in the world but not OF the world") NOT rapture us to heaven. He was beginning His refining and purification of His bride in 1984. Many, many Christians were put in the fire of testing at that time, myself included. THAT is what He meant. It took ten years for that to become obvious.
Give Scott a chance.
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false prophet Mark Copfer - a complete fruitcake
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false prophet Mark Copfer listens to the "prophecies" by the "web bots" and he thinks it is "prophetic" that the "web bots" are making the same prophecies that colin powell and joe biden made about obama being "tested" shortly after he took office. Does not the foolish ignorant false prophet Mark Copfer comprehend the "web bots" are only picking up the information being discussed on the internet (especially information posted by fruitcakes such as false prophet Mark Copfer) and that numerous sites are posting (and reposting) the statements made by colin powell and joe biden so of course the "web bots" are picking it up???
Lots of false prophets have claimed on the internet that obama will be thrown out as the president on january 26, 2009 because he was born in kenya - so of course the "web bots" are regurgitating this (garbage in, garbage out)
Talk about ignorant fruitcakes! false prophet Mark Copfer is near the top of the list.
The "web bots" are demonic prophecies
Deuteronomy 13
1 If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, "Let us follow other gods" (gods you have not known) "and let us worship them," 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is the LORD your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. 5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death, because he preached rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery; he has tried to turn you from the way the LORD your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.
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Mark Copfer (26 Jan 2009) "3 days until Obama is tested ????????"
I pulled this off the web bots today... and Jim, I already know how you feel about the web bots,, so dont mind me :) just interesting... when you line this up with the Colon Powell, and Joe Biden public remarks about obama being tested...http://www.urbansurvival.com/week.htm
As outlined a couple of weeks back, the predictive linguistics are flashing all over the place for a test for Obama coming around January 26th (and it will last quite a while). Because at the 'front end' of it there's the temporal marker of ship grounding, or whatever the equivalent down at the archetype level would be, I keep scanning the headlines looking for the 'feeder/marker' event. About all that's popping so fars today is a heating oil barge running aground in Boston and a couple of cargo ships running aground in Greece due to high seas.
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false prophet Mark Copfer listens to the "prophecies" by the "web bots" and he thinks it is "prophetic" that the "web bots" are making the same prophecies that colin powell and joe biden made about obama being "tested" shortly after he took office. Does not the foolish ignorant false prophet Mark Copfer comprehend the "web bots" are only picking up the information being discussed on the internet (especially information posted by fruitcakes such as false prophet Mark Copfer) and that numerous sites are posting (and reposting) the statements made by colin powell and joe biden so of course the "web bots" are picking it up???
Lots of false prophets have claimed on the internet that obama will be thrown out as the president on january 26, 2009 because he was born in kenya - so of course the "web bots" are regurgitating this (garbage in, garbage out)
Talk about ignorant fruitcakes! false prophet Mark Copfer is near the top of the list.
The "web bots" are demonic prophecies
Deuteronomy 13
1 If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, "Let us follow other gods" (gods you have not known) "and let us worship them," 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is the LORD your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. 5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death, because he preached rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery; he has tried to turn you from the way the LORD your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.
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Mark Copfer (26 Jan 2009) "3 days until Obama is tested ????????"
I pulled this off the web bots today... and Jim, I already know how you feel about the web bots,, so dont mind me :) just interesting... when you line this up with the Colon Powell, and Joe Biden public remarks about obama being tested...http://www.urbansurvival.com/week.htm
As outlined a couple of weeks back, the predictive linguistics are flashing all over the place for a test for Obama coming around January 26th (and it will last quite a while). Because at the 'front end' of it there's the temporal marker of ship grounding, or whatever the equivalent down at the archetype level would be, I keep scanning the headlines looking for the 'feeder/marker' event. About all that's popping so fars today is a heating oil barge running aground in Boston and a couple of cargo ships running aground in Greece due to high seas.
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false prophet Reese resurfaces - now claims his failed rapture date prophecy of january 11, 2009 was just a "potential date"
false prophet Ron Reese twisted scripture and made it say (under protest) that the rapture would be on january 11, 2009 according to the bible. false prophet Ron Reeese was obviously WRONG and insgtead of apologizing and repenting for his false prophecies he is now claiming it was just a "potential rapture date" (but isn't EVERY day a "potential rapture day" ???)
false prophet Ron Reese claims that obama is the antimessiah and he confirmed his covenant with americans during his october 29, 2008 infomercial and he added 75 days to it (still a mystery why) to come up with the rapture being on january 11, 2009 (which failed) he is now claiming that the first seal judgement was opened on january 20, 2009 (he is saying this to "prove" obama is the antimessiah) false prophet Ron Reese added nine days to his failed prophecy of january 11, 2009 - which just so happenes to have been obama's inauguration day (surprise surprise - a false prophet always adds days to their failed prophecy and claims it meant something different than what they prophecied it meant)
false prophjet Ron Reese is giving false demonic prophecies and he is NOT a Christian - he is an evil agent of satan. Does NO ONE on the five demons ("doves") site have ANY discernment???
II Tim 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
2 Timothy 3
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.
2 Peter 2
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
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Ron Reese (26 Jan 2009) "DSEAL #1 OPENED WITH OBAMA--NEXT IS SEAL #2--SUDDEN DESTRUCTION AND RAPTURE!!!"
Hi John and Doves, This is my first post since Jan. 11, which many of us saw as a date with real potential to be the date of the Sudden Destruction/Rapture. When many things seem to be pointing to one date, as a watchman, I feel it is my duty to sound the trumpet, because I have a real burden for those who are not ready. Although there was no Rapture and there was no Sudden Destruction, it is still a possibility that Jan. 11, 2009, was the first day of a 2520-day Tribulation, which would culminate on Dec. 6-7, 2015, on the eve of Hanukkah, which is 75 days (Daniel 12:12) after the final day of the 70th Week of Daniel, Sept. 23, 2015, on Feast of Atonement. It was just NINE days after Jan. 11 that the first seal judgment in Revelation was opened. Nine is the number of finality or divine completeness from the Lord. It is also possible that the 70th Week of Daniel and the Tribulation are the exact same 2520 days, and that the 75 days of Daniel 12:12 are just an add-on period of time at the end of the 2520 days of the Tribulation and the 70th Week of Daniel, before the 1000-year reign of Christ begins. I see only two other possibilities for the start of the Tribulation. One is that the Great Tribulation of 1260 days spoken of several times in Revelation covers the entire Tribulation period. This is not a new theory. It has been around for a long time. It is a very difficult theory for me to subscribe to for many reasons, but I cannot entirely rule it out because I am totally convinced that the 70th Week of Daniel began on Oct. 23, 2008, the day Obama confirmed the convenant of Daniel 9:27. Of the four remaining possibilities as to the start of the Tribulation, this last one is the one that I am leaning towards. It is the shortened 2300-day Tribulation that Marilyn Agee, Ted Porter, and others have been talking about. Dan. 8:14 refers to a 2300-day period, which has been another one of those mysteries of the end-times for a long time. I am a firm believer in progressive revelation, concerning these last days. I believe progressive revelation MAY be showing us a 2300-day period within the 2520-day 70th Week of Daniel. IF that is what the Lord is showing us, the start of the shortened 2300-day Tribulation would probably be on June 6-7, 2009. This is the 42nd anniversary of the Six-Day War, when Israel re-captured Jerusalem on June 6-7, 1967. This is the day of the budding of the fig tree. This is the day when most prophetic scholars agree that the final generation before Christ returns began. FORTY-TWO is the number of the 2nd Coming of Christ and the number of the Rapture, according to Ed Vallowe's "Biblical Mathematics". I concur with Ted Porter, that this could very well be a VERY significant day to WATCH for. June 6-7, 2009, is definitely a day to mark on your calendar. Let's review. In my opinion there are four possibilities for the FIRST day of the Tribulation: 1. Oct. 29, 2008, the day of the confirming of the Dan. 9:27 covenant, the first day of the 70th Week of Daniel. This would mean that the Tribulation and the 70th Week of Daniel are the exact same periods, which is the traditional view. 2. Jan. 11, 2009, because so much pointed to this day, and because 2520 days would take us to Dec. 6-7, 2015, the probable starting date on the Eve of Hanukkah, for the 100-year reign of Christ. Nine days after Jan. 11, 2009, the first seal in the Book of Revelation was opened. 3. The Great Tribulation of 1260 days, or 3 1/2 years, comprises the entire Tribulation. This would put the first day in 2012. This is my least likely choice, for many reasons that I will not go into right now. 4. There is a 2300-day (Dan. 8.14) shortened Tribulation. If the ending date is Feast of Atonement, Sept. 23, 2015, the day Christ returns at the Battle of Armageddon, this would put the 1st day of the 2300-day Tribulation on June 6-7, 2009, EXACTLY 42 YEARS (the number of the Rapture) AFTER ISRAEL RE-CAPTURED JERUSALEM, thrusting the world into the final countdown to the end. It is from this EXACT same date that we arrive at Sept. 23, 2015, the FINAL DAY OF THE 70TH WEEK OF DANIEL. We do this by multiplying one complete Jubilee cycle 7 X 7 X 360 days (a Jewish year), and adding that number to June 6-7, 1967. The result is Sept. 23, 2015, Feast of Atonement. What an awesome God we serve!!! This fourth theory is the one that I am leaning towards because it all seems to fit. Traditionally, the opening of the first seal in Revelation is attributed to the coming to power of the Antichrist. After doing a Greek word study of Rev. 6:1-2, I am convinced that we have just witnessed the opening of the first seal. Rev. 6:1-2 says, "And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow: and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer." On Jan. 20, 2009, Barack Hussein Obama received his "crown", the Presidency of the U.S., the world's #1 superpower. I know that he will live in the White House, and possibly we can make a connection to the white horse (possibly someone else can shed some light on this white horse). It is the words "bow" and "conquer", that inspired me to do a word study on these verses. The traditional view is that the Antichrist has a bow, but no arrows. The traditional view of the "conquering" in these verses is military conquests. Neither seem to apply to the current political and military situations of the U.S. Certainly, the U.S. has more than enough "arrows", with the largest nuclear arsenal in the history of the world. "Conquering", as in military conquests, hardly seems to fit our country either. Perhaps this will soon change with the Sudden Destruction, which VERY possibly could involve the U.S. Perhaps Obama will be given a new "crown", as President of the World, or President of the New World Order, and begin subjecting all countries to the power and rule of this one-world government. In the Greek, this particular word for "bow" is only found this one time. I am not sure why the description is describing a verb, instead of a noun, but the meaning of "bow" in this verse, is to produce, bear, be born, bring forth, be delivered, be in travail. When I saw "be delivered", and "be in travail", I really perked up. Obama is being received by the main populace of the U.S. and the whole world, as the "deliverer", the "saviour", the one who will save the world from military and economic destruction. To "be in travail", is a perfect description of our world today. The world thinks they have found their "saviour", who will "deliver" them from the problems and despair in the world today. I Thess. 5:3 says, "...then SUDDEN DESTRUCTION cometh upon THEM, AS TRAVAIL UPON A WOMAN WITH CHILD, and THEY shall not escape. The "thunder" heard as the Antichrist came to power on Jan 20, 2009, I believe is the announcement that a HUGE STORM is coming soon. Thank the Lord, that Jesus is our shelter in the time of storm. This leads me to my next and final point of this post. The FIRST SEAL has just been opened. The SECOND SEAL cannot be far behind. This is what happens next on God's calendar, friends. Read it for yourself, in Revelation 6:3-4, "And when he had opened the SECOND SEAL, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. And there went out another horse that was red: and POWER was given to him that sat thereon TO TAKE PEACE FROM THE EARTH, and that THEY SHOULD KILL ONE ANOTHER: and there was given unto him A GREAT SWORD (nuclear weapons?). I believe the opening of the SECOND SEAL IS THE SUDDEN DESTRUCTION/RAPTURE. It could be any day now, friends. The whole world has been "in travail" for a long time now. The baby is about to be born. This will involve the beginning of the NEW WORLD ORDER, with Obama as their "Messiah". This will involve the birth of the Tribulation on this sinful, unsuspecting world. It is my opinion, that our Blessed Hope, the Rapture of the Bride, will be simultaneous with this opening of the SECOND SEAL, the Sudden Destruction, when the rider of the red horse is sent forth. These are certainly exciting, even breathtaking, times that we are currently living in. Exciting for those who are spiritually ready, and a literal "Hell on earth", for those who are not. If we are already in the Tribulation, we very well may not have until June. It could be any day now. The FIRST SEAL HAS BEEN OPENED. THE SECOND SEAL, THE RED HORSE RIDER, IS SOON TO FOLLOW!!! ARE YOU READY? Luke 21:34-36 says, " And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting (partying), and drunkenness, and CARES OF THIS LIFE, and so THAT DAY come upon you unawares. For as a SNARE (trap) shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch ye therefore, and pray always that YE MAY BE ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE (THE RAPTURE) ALL these things that shall come to pass and to stand before the Son of man (Jesus)." Maranatha! Ron Reesergreese49@aol.com
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false prophet Ron Reese claims that obama is the antimessiah and he confirmed his covenant with americans during his october 29, 2008 infomercial and he added 75 days to it (still a mystery why) to come up with the rapture being on january 11, 2009 (which failed) he is now claiming that the first seal judgement was opened on january 20, 2009 (he is saying this to "prove" obama is the antimessiah) false prophet Ron Reese added nine days to his failed prophecy of january 11, 2009 - which just so happenes to have been obama's inauguration day (surprise surprise - a false prophet always adds days to their failed prophecy and claims it meant something different than what they prophecied it meant)
false prophjet Ron Reese is giving false demonic prophecies and he is NOT a Christian - he is an evil agent of satan. Does NO ONE on the five demons ("doves") site have ANY discernment???
II Tim 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
2 Timothy 3
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.
2 Peter 2
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
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Ron Reese (26 Jan 2009) "DSEAL #1 OPENED WITH OBAMA--NEXT IS SEAL #2--SUDDEN DESTRUCTION AND RAPTURE!!!"
Hi John and Doves, This is my first post since Jan. 11, which many of us saw as a date with real potential to be the date of the Sudden Destruction/Rapture. When many things seem to be pointing to one date, as a watchman, I feel it is my duty to sound the trumpet, because I have a real burden for those who are not ready. Although there was no Rapture and there was no Sudden Destruction, it is still a possibility that Jan. 11, 2009, was the first day of a 2520-day Tribulation, which would culminate on Dec. 6-7, 2015, on the eve of Hanukkah, which is 75 days (Daniel 12:12) after the final day of the 70th Week of Daniel, Sept. 23, 2015, on Feast of Atonement. It was just NINE days after Jan. 11 that the first seal judgment in Revelation was opened. Nine is the number of finality or divine completeness from the Lord. It is also possible that the 70th Week of Daniel and the Tribulation are the exact same 2520 days, and that the 75 days of Daniel 12:12 are just an add-on period of time at the end of the 2520 days of the Tribulation and the 70th Week of Daniel, before the 1000-year reign of Christ begins. I see only two other possibilities for the start of the Tribulation. One is that the Great Tribulation of 1260 days spoken of several times in Revelation covers the entire Tribulation period. This is not a new theory. It has been around for a long time. It is a very difficult theory for me to subscribe to for many reasons, but I cannot entirely rule it out because I am totally convinced that the 70th Week of Daniel began on Oct. 23, 2008, the day Obama confirmed the convenant of Daniel 9:27. Of the four remaining possibilities as to the start of the Tribulation, this last one is the one that I am leaning towards. It is the shortened 2300-day Tribulation that Marilyn Agee, Ted Porter, and others have been talking about. Dan. 8:14 refers to a 2300-day period, which has been another one of those mysteries of the end-times for a long time. I am a firm believer in progressive revelation, concerning these last days. I believe progressive revelation MAY be showing us a 2300-day period within the 2520-day 70th Week of Daniel. IF that is what the Lord is showing us, the start of the shortened 2300-day Tribulation would probably be on June 6-7, 2009. This is the 42nd anniversary of the Six-Day War, when Israel re-captured Jerusalem on June 6-7, 1967. This is the day of the budding of the fig tree. This is the day when most prophetic scholars agree that the final generation before Christ returns began. FORTY-TWO is the number of the 2nd Coming of Christ and the number of the Rapture, according to Ed Vallowe's "Biblical Mathematics". I concur with Ted Porter, that this could very well be a VERY significant day to WATCH for. June 6-7, 2009, is definitely a day to mark on your calendar. Let's review. In my opinion there are four possibilities for the FIRST day of the Tribulation: 1. Oct. 29, 2008, the day of the confirming of the Dan. 9:27 covenant, the first day of the 70th Week of Daniel. This would mean that the Tribulation and the 70th Week of Daniel are the exact same periods, which is the traditional view. 2. Jan. 11, 2009, because so much pointed to this day, and because 2520 days would take us to Dec. 6-7, 2015, the probable starting date on the Eve of Hanukkah, for the 100-year reign of Christ. Nine days after Jan. 11, 2009, the first seal in the Book of Revelation was opened. 3. The Great Tribulation of 1260 days, or 3 1/2 years, comprises the entire Tribulation. This would put the first day in 2012. This is my least likely choice, for many reasons that I will not go into right now. 4. There is a 2300-day (Dan. 8.14) shortened Tribulation. If the ending date is Feast of Atonement, Sept. 23, 2015, the day Christ returns at the Battle of Armageddon, this would put the 1st day of the 2300-day Tribulation on June 6-7, 2009, EXACTLY 42 YEARS (the number of the Rapture) AFTER ISRAEL RE-CAPTURED JERUSALEM, thrusting the world into the final countdown to the end. It is from this EXACT same date that we arrive at Sept. 23, 2015, the FINAL DAY OF THE 70TH WEEK OF DANIEL. We do this by multiplying one complete Jubilee cycle 7 X 7 X 360 days (a Jewish year), and adding that number to June 6-7, 1967. The result is Sept. 23, 2015, Feast of Atonement. What an awesome God we serve!!! This fourth theory is the one that I am leaning towards because it all seems to fit. Traditionally, the opening of the first seal in Revelation is attributed to the coming to power of the Antichrist. After doing a Greek word study of Rev. 6:1-2, I am convinced that we have just witnessed the opening of the first seal. Rev. 6:1-2 says, "And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow: and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer." On Jan. 20, 2009, Barack Hussein Obama received his "crown", the Presidency of the U.S., the world's #1 superpower. I know that he will live in the White House, and possibly we can make a connection to the white horse (possibly someone else can shed some light on this white horse). It is the words "bow" and "conquer", that inspired me to do a word study on these verses. The traditional view is that the Antichrist has a bow, but no arrows. The traditional view of the "conquering" in these verses is military conquests. Neither seem to apply to the current political and military situations of the U.S. Certainly, the U.S. has more than enough "arrows", with the largest nuclear arsenal in the history of the world. "Conquering", as in military conquests, hardly seems to fit our country either. Perhaps this will soon change with the Sudden Destruction, which VERY possibly could involve the U.S. Perhaps Obama will be given a new "crown", as President of the World, or President of the New World Order, and begin subjecting all countries to the power and rule of this one-world government. In the Greek, this particular word for "bow" is only found this one time. I am not sure why the description is describing a verb, instead of a noun, but the meaning of "bow" in this verse, is to produce, bear, be born, bring forth, be delivered, be in travail. When I saw "be delivered", and "be in travail", I really perked up. Obama is being received by the main populace of the U.S. and the whole world, as the "deliverer", the "saviour", the one who will save the world from military and economic destruction. To "be in travail", is a perfect description of our world today. The world thinks they have found their "saviour", who will "deliver" them from the problems and despair in the world today. I Thess. 5:3 says, "...then SUDDEN DESTRUCTION cometh upon THEM, AS TRAVAIL UPON A WOMAN WITH CHILD, and THEY shall not escape. The "thunder" heard as the Antichrist came to power on Jan 20, 2009, I believe is the announcement that a HUGE STORM is coming soon. Thank the Lord, that Jesus is our shelter in the time of storm. This leads me to my next and final point of this post. The FIRST SEAL has just been opened. The SECOND SEAL cannot be far behind. This is what happens next on God's calendar, friends. Read it for yourself, in Revelation 6:3-4, "And when he had opened the SECOND SEAL, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. And there went out another horse that was red: and POWER was given to him that sat thereon TO TAKE PEACE FROM THE EARTH, and that THEY SHOULD KILL ONE ANOTHER: and there was given unto him A GREAT SWORD (nuclear weapons?). I believe the opening of the SECOND SEAL IS THE SUDDEN DESTRUCTION/RAPTURE. It could be any day now, friends. The whole world has been "in travail" for a long time now. The baby is about to be born. This will involve the beginning of the NEW WORLD ORDER, with Obama as their "Messiah". This will involve the birth of the Tribulation on this sinful, unsuspecting world. It is my opinion, that our Blessed Hope, the Rapture of the Bride, will be simultaneous with this opening of the SECOND SEAL, the Sudden Destruction, when the rider of the red horse is sent forth. These are certainly exciting, even breathtaking, times that we are currently living in. Exciting for those who are spiritually ready, and a literal "Hell on earth", for those who are not. If we are already in the Tribulation, we very well may not have until June. It could be any day now. The FIRST SEAL HAS BEEN OPENED. THE SECOND SEAL, THE RED HORSE RIDER, IS SOON TO FOLLOW!!! ARE YOU READY? Luke 21:34-36 says, " And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting (partying), and drunkenness, and CARES OF THIS LIFE, and so THAT DAY come upon you unawares. For as a SNARE (trap) shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch ye therefore, and pray always that YE MAY BE ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE (THE RAPTURE) ALL these things that shall come to pass and to stand before the Son of man (Jesus)." Maranatha! Ron Reesergreese49@aol.com
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Friday, January 23, 2009
false prophet Tony Ellsworth promotes satanic holidays and prophecies yet more rapture dates
candlemass is a satanic holiday that worships ba-al (tammuz) and is absolutely in no way shape or form a Christian holiday. false prophet Tony Ellsworth continues to bring people to worshiping tammuz (ba-al) and is a satanist. x-mass and ishtar (easter) are other feasts of tammuz - the babylonia "god" that Ancient Israel brought back to Israel with them (Ezekiel chapter 8)
Deuteronomy 13
1 If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, "Let us follow other gods" (gods you have not known) "and let us worship them," 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is the LORD your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. 5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death, because he preached rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery; he has tried to turn you from the way the LORD your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2009/tonye123-2.htm
Tony Ellsworth (23 Jan 2009) "Rapture Alert February 2nd 2009: Candlemas"
Candlemas
& The Hopeful Hypothesis of the Heart
What is Candlemas?
Within the body of this article I’ll go into a further explanation, but in simple form, “Candlemas” is one of the twelve “Great Feasts” of the Church and the marker of the end of the Christmas Season. Christmas and Ascension Day are two of the most widely recognized “Great Feasts” by Christians.
I’m only watching Jewish Feast days for the Rapture…
One thing I know well is that if a person is willing to write books or articles on the Rapture, be prepared for persecution. I think I can safely speak for many, if not all who write in, that heavy criticism and persecution is part of the road. Ouch! One other thing worth mentioning is that I’ve never seen two Prophecy “buffs” agree 100% on anything. That said, should we quit communicating, exploring & encouraging??? Absolutely not! John Tng, thank you so much for what you do. You allow us to be a body of believers, coming together for the common purpose of Rapture watching and loving Jesus while we wait.
Okay…
Up until the date of Pentecost in Acts God clearly had focused his attention on Israel. Jesus even showed this when he said to a woman asking her daughter to be healed:
Matthew 15:25-27 25Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. 26But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs. 27And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
Yet, in this instance, as well as, interactions with Romans and Samaritans Jesus foreshadowed his ultimate goal of saving the Church.
Jesus clearly fulfilled, to the day, the first three Jewish Feasts. Yet an argument could be made in looking for the Rapture in all seven of them still, and possibly the minor feasts as well.
Here is another question – Would Jesus who turned his attention to the Church, and will again turn his attention to the Jews, come back on a Jewish Feast day – or something specific to the Church? Either way could make very logical sense. If he wanted to make the Jews “sit up and pay attention” one could make a good argument it would have to be a Christian holiday. Then again, I could make the exact opposite argument for a Jewish holiday. Then there is also Noah, Esther, etc.
The truth is – we don’t really know for sure. It is a working out of our desire and faith by hopeful hypothesis of the heart. This reminds me of this scripture:
Jeremiah 29:13 (King James Version)
13And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
It also brings to mind the scripture where Jesus says “no man knows the day or the hour…” Ouch! Yet, what is clear, is that we are told to watch. As such, I try to meticulously watch the “event” horizon. This would include Jewish Feasts, Christian Feasts, American holidays, Esther, Noah, daycounts, etc. I read five doves everyday and try to be open minded (we all have a tendency to become fixated on our own conclusions – myself included). I have picked up so much great information from so many contributors that it would be impossible for me to link everything back to the originators. But, that is the “body” and isn’t it wonderful! All made possible by John & all the daily contributions – Praise God!
I do remember who originally got me to thinking about Christian Feasts - Friedrich Wenz. Thank you Brother!
It can’t be a Christian Feast because there are Pagan roots
I can understand why a person would say this. I think there are two main reasons for this:
1. They were hurt by the Church at some point.
2. There really are pagan aspects of all the Christian holidays.
I understand being hurt by the Church. I was brought up by my Mom as a Jehovah’s Witness. As such, I celebrated virtually no holidays. No birthdays either. Why? Because they believe, and point out the pagan origins in them. Jehovah’s Witnesses only celebrate Passover – nothing else.
I haven’t been a Jehovah’s Witness for over 20 years now, and I celebrate birthdays and all the holidays. But, I mention it because I’ve come full circle on the subject. Here is something to think about…
On Pentecost, which is the Church’s birthday, the loaves that are waived contain leaven. This stands for sin. Jesus predicted it and knew about it, in advance. The Church is not the Church because we have no sin. The Church is the Church because we are painfully aware of our sin and we confess we cannot cleanse ourselves. Like the woman at the well and the woman at His feet, Jesus loves the broken hearted.
God is Sovereign, and nothing Constantine, the false leaders of the Church, etc. have done can keep us from Him. Satan thought he had won by nailing Jesus to the cross, but in fact he had lost. God has always used the enemy’s wicked and manipulative schemes against themselves.
Sometimes we have to open up our minds to God. Consider Peter. Peter walked right by Jesus’ side. You don’t get any closer than that. Much closer than you or I. Yet, God had to give him a vision before he could understand that Gentiles could be clean. Though dirty, the Church can be clean. How is this possible? Jesus! That is the Church. The “woman caught in adultery.”
This is such an emotional subject since we all have “wounds” from the Church. This is Satan’s dastardly plan. To make us run away – shamed.
Let me just walk through the passage.
John 8
3And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
12Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
In the first verses the woman is caught right in the act. This is important, since it doesn’t get any worse than this. There is no way out. The Pharisees rightly point out the law she has broken and also the harsh penalty – death.
Notice verse six (which is the number for man) and that it says ground. Other translations say “dust”. This is a picture. Jesus from up above in heaven, writes in the dust, meaning earth, the means to save us from our deserved death.
Next, in verse seven (God’s number) we see it saying “he lifted up himself,” and this is exactly what he did – to lovingly save us from our wretched sin.
These accusing men could have stayed. Yet they not only dropped their stones, but left. Only the woman remained. And the last thing Jesus says to her, stands for the prophetic day when He will take our sin from us. “Go and sin no more,” not as a chastisement, but as a word of purification. No more sin.
The best thing about the Church is that we know we are “scarlet.” Yet Jesus makes us “white as snow.” Within the Church, when we think of Jesus and snow, doesn’t it bring to mind Christmas? How about this verse in Matthew 24?
Matthew 24:20 (King James Version)
20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
A Sabbath day could mean Saturday, but to the Church it would mean Sunday. Jesus was master of the Sabbath, and healed many, to the chagrin of many Pharisees, who saw it as unlawful. Feast days can also be considered Sabbaths.
By Church tradition, the last day of the Christmas Season is Candlemas – February 2nd.
Can we take a look at Candlemas now???
Okay, here we go…
Candlemas
This holiday is celebrated forty (40) days after Christmas Eve. This year it occurs on February 2nd 2009. There are several prophetic qualities to the holiday:
The Feast of the Presentation of Jesus in the Temple
Jesus says to enter Heaven, we must be “born again.” Joseph and Mary took Jesus too the temple to present their new child to God. If we are “born again,” or made “new” entering Heaven this may be the day we are taken by the “Holy Spirit” to the temple to be presented to God.
Purification of the Virgin
According to Mosaic law, a woman would be unclean for a total of 40 days after the birth of a child. As such, this is why Mary and Joseph waited 40 days after the birth of their son to take him to the temple. Virgin is a concept used to show those believers who have not defiled themselves with the world. Remember Joseph, who ran from Potiphar’s wife. Also, Esther who received the beauty treatments in anticipation of her meeting with the king. Immanuel, meaning “God with us” on Christmas, and Rapture meaning “us with God,” but possibly with a delay of 40 days for “purification.”
Meeting of the Lord
Have you been faithfully waiting for Jesus for some time now? Well be encouraged because two persons were doing the same thing upon Jesus’ first coming. Simeon the Righteous and Anna the prophetess. Both had received a promise from God that they would see the Messiah before death. God did not fail them. Here is the reference:
Luke 2:22-40 (King James Version)
22And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord;
23(As it is written in the law of the LORD, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord;)
24And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.
25And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him.
26And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ.
27And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law,
28Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said,
29Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word:
30For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,
31Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people;
32A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.
33And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him.
34And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;
35(Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.
36And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity;
37And she was a widow of about fourscore and four years, which departed not from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day.
38And she coming in that instant gave thanks likewise unto the Lord, and spake of him to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem.
39And when they had performed all things according to the law of the Lord, they returned into Galilee, to their own city Nazareth.
40And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.
Marking the end of the Epiphany & Christmas Season
It is tradition to leave Christmas decorations and lights up until February 2nd, which marks the end of the Christmas Season. Have you noticed it being still fall and our secular world bringing out everything having to do with Christmas before its even Thanksgiving yet? And then, when the 25th (or at most January 1st) is passed everything is put away. What a rip off! And “Bah, humbug!” Somehow, I don’t think God meant for holidays to be this way. Lots of commercialization and no time to linger for family and most important – Jesus!
Imbloc – Pagan Origins
Many rightly point to the Pagan origins of Candlemas. Part of this origin may be the Pagan ritual of Imbloc. When Constantine legalized Christianity and they combined Christian feasts w/ Pagan rituals this took place. Kind of reminds you of when Jesus said the leaven would be sown into the whole loaf –right??? Not a surprise to Jesus. This is obviously true of just about everything we do today right down to your wedding bands. What is a Bible believing Christian to do? Well do the same thing you do with all the other things that have Pagan origins. Believe in Jesus and that He makes us clean from our sin. We are about as clean as a child in a mud puddle.
Try to look at is this way. Think about Astrology vs. the Gospel of the Stars. Astrology is horrible and forbidden by the Bible – so stay away from it. But, this does not give Satan ownership of the Heavens! No way! God created the stars and the Heavens. Satan is not a creator, but a deceiver. I tell my kids this – There is no such thing as fiction. There always is truth behind every concept. This is why there are so many versions of the flood, the garden of Eden, etc. It doesn’t prove their false, it proves they are true. Satan has always taken a form of the truth to make it a lie. When you eat a banana you don’t eat the peel – right? Just eat what God intended you to and trust that He is Sovereign, Love and our Savior!
Let me point out a couple of things about Imbloc. It is a Pagan ritual. It acknowledges the midpoint between winter & spring. It is halfway between Winter Solstice and the Spring Equinox.
This is where we get Ground Hog day. It is a day to see if we will have an early Spring or not.
The Jewish Feast of Tu’ B Shevat which occurs near, and sometimes on, the date of Candlemas is seen as the first day of spring in Israel.
Here is a traditional poem in regards to winter and spring:
"The serpent will come from the holeOn the brown Day of Bride,Though there should be three feet of snowOn the flat surface of the ground
Now since this is spoken of from the “Pagan” point of view, let’s turn it inside out…
We know the Bride to be the Church, and the Serpent to be Satan. Proverbs has a few verses that remind me of this poem and also the Rapture. Here it is:
Wonderful Things Which I Know Not…
Proverbs 30: 18There be three things which are too wonderful for me, yea, four which I know not:
19The way of an eagle in the air Rapture;
“…I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself. - Exodus 19:4
the way of a serpent upon a rock Satan cast down;
“and the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent called the devil & Satan who decievith the whole world and was cast out into the earth and his angels with him.”
- Revelation 12:9
the way of a ship in the midst of the sea Tribulation Saints;
“…there arose a great tempest in the sea, insomuch as the ship was covered with waves: but he was asleep” – Matthew 8:24
and the way of a man with a maid Marriage in Heaven.
“and I saw the Holy City, the New Jerusalem coming down out of the Heaven from God, as a bride adorned for her husband.”
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The goddess Brigid is associated with the Imbloc holiday. She has some interesting qualities which clearly were taken from biblical principles:
· Purification (February means “purification”)
· Healing (we all need that, and those new bodies!)
· Sacred flames
· Lighting candles (reminds me of the five faithful virgins)
· Wells
I love the mention of wells here. Remember it was by a well that Abraham’s servant found Isaac’s bride, Jacob kissed Rachael and Jesus spoke to the woman at the Well. Well’s and water represent what we think of as “wormholes” which have everything to do with the Rapture (as wives do – not a coincidence). I previously have written an article called “Wives, Wells & Wormholes” which I won’t go into here (ref: www.tony4yhwh.com under prophetic J – Z).
One last mention is that the Full Moon this month (which is on February 9th) is the Snow Moon. Reminds me of Isaiah 1:18
“Come let us reason together says the Lord, though your sins are like scarlet I will make you white as snow, though they are as crimson, I will make you as wool.”
Amen!!!
Maranatha,
Tony
P.S. – Many more things to come in regards to February 2nd, I’ll post them at five doves as fast as I can write them! For further foundational reference see:
www.midnighshout.com and www.thechristmasrapture.com
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Deuteronomy 13
1 If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, "Let us follow other gods" (gods you have not known) "and let us worship them," 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is the LORD your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. 5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death, because he preached rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery; he has tried to turn you from the way the LORD your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2009/tonye123-2.htm
Tony Ellsworth (23 Jan 2009) "Rapture Alert February 2nd 2009: Candlemas"
Candlemas
& The Hopeful Hypothesis of the Heart
What is Candlemas?
Within the body of this article I’ll go into a further explanation, but in simple form, “Candlemas” is one of the twelve “Great Feasts” of the Church and the marker of the end of the Christmas Season. Christmas and Ascension Day are two of the most widely recognized “Great Feasts” by Christians.
I’m only watching Jewish Feast days for the Rapture…
One thing I know well is that if a person is willing to write books or articles on the Rapture, be prepared for persecution. I think I can safely speak for many, if not all who write in, that heavy criticism and persecution is part of the road. Ouch! One other thing worth mentioning is that I’ve never seen two Prophecy “buffs” agree 100% on anything. That said, should we quit communicating, exploring & encouraging??? Absolutely not! John Tng, thank you so much for what you do. You allow us to be a body of believers, coming together for the common purpose of Rapture watching and loving Jesus while we wait.
Okay…
Up until the date of Pentecost in Acts God clearly had focused his attention on Israel. Jesus even showed this when he said to a woman asking her daughter to be healed:
Matthew 15:25-27 25Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. 26But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs. 27And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
Yet, in this instance, as well as, interactions with Romans and Samaritans Jesus foreshadowed his ultimate goal of saving the Church.
Jesus clearly fulfilled, to the day, the first three Jewish Feasts. Yet an argument could be made in looking for the Rapture in all seven of them still, and possibly the minor feasts as well.
Here is another question – Would Jesus who turned his attention to the Church, and will again turn his attention to the Jews, come back on a Jewish Feast day – or something specific to the Church? Either way could make very logical sense. If he wanted to make the Jews “sit up and pay attention” one could make a good argument it would have to be a Christian holiday. Then again, I could make the exact opposite argument for a Jewish holiday. Then there is also Noah, Esther, etc.
The truth is – we don’t really know for sure. It is a working out of our desire and faith by hopeful hypothesis of the heart. This reminds me of this scripture:
Jeremiah 29:13 (King James Version)
13And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
It also brings to mind the scripture where Jesus says “no man knows the day or the hour…” Ouch! Yet, what is clear, is that we are told to watch. As such, I try to meticulously watch the “event” horizon. This would include Jewish Feasts, Christian Feasts, American holidays, Esther, Noah, daycounts, etc. I read five doves everyday and try to be open minded (we all have a tendency to become fixated on our own conclusions – myself included). I have picked up so much great information from so many contributors that it would be impossible for me to link everything back to the originators. But, that is the “body” and isn’t it wonderful! All made possible by John & all the daily contributions – Praise God!
I do remember who originally got me to thinking about Christian Feasts - Friedrich Wenz. Thank you Brother!
It can’t be a Christian Feast because there are Pagan roots
I can understand why a person would say this. I think there are two main reasons for this:
1. They were hurt by the Church at some point.
2. There really are pagan aspects of all the Christian holidays.
I understand being hurt by the Church. I was brought up by my Mom as a Jehovah’s Witness. As such, I celebrated virtually no holidays. No birthdays either. Why? Because they believe, and point out the pagan origins in them. Jehovah’s Witnesses only celebrate Passover – nothing else.
I haven’t been a Jehovah’s Witness for over 20 years now, and I celebrate birthdays and all the holidays. But, I mention it because I’ve come full circle on the subject. Here is something to think about…
On Pentecost, which is the Church’s birthday, the loaves that are waived contain leaven. This stands for sin. Jesus predicted it and knew about it, in advance. The Church is not the Church because we have no sin. The Church is the Church because we are painfully aware of our sin and we confess we cannot cleanse ourselves. Like the woman at the well and the woman at His feet, Jesus loves the broken hearted.
God is Sovereign, and nothing Constantine, the false leaders of the Church, etc. have done can keep us from Him. Satan thought he had won by nailing Jesus to the cross, but in fact he had lost. God has always used the enemy’s wicked and manipulative schemes against themselves.
Sometimes we have to open up our minds to God. Consider Peter. Peter walked right by Jesus’ side. You don’t get any closer than that. Much closer than you or I. Yet, God had to give him a vision before he could understand that Gentiles could be clean. Though dirty, the Church can be clean. How is this possible? Jesus! That is the Church. The “woman caught in adultery.”
This is such an emotional subject since we all have “wounds” from the Church. This is Satan’s dastardly plan. To make us run away – shamed.
Let me just walk through the passage.
John 8
3And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
12Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
In the first verses the woman is caught right in the act. This is important, since it doesn’t get any worse than this. There is no way out. The Pharisees rightly point out the law she has broken and also the harsh penalty – death.
Notice verse six (which is the number for man) and that it says ground. Other translations say “dust”. This is a picture. Jesus from up above in heaven, writes in the dust, meaning earth, the means to save us from our deserved death.
Next, in verse seven (God’s number) we see it saying “he lifted up himself,” and this is exactly what he did – to lovingly save us from our wretched sin.
These accusing men could have stayed. Yet they not only dropped their stones, but left. Only the woman remained. And the last thing Jesus says to her, stands for the prophetic day when He will take our sin from us. “Go and sin no more,” not as a chastisement, but as a word of purification. No more sin.
The best thing about the Church is that we know we are “scarlet.” Yet Jesus makes us “white as snow.” Within the Church, when we think of Jesus and snow, doesn’t it bring to mind Christmas? How about this verse in Matthew 24?
Matthew 24:20 (King James Version)
20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
A Sabbath day could mean Saturday, but to the Church it would mean Sunday. Jesus was master of the Sabbath, and healed many, to the chagrin of many Pharisees, who saw it as unlawful. Feast days can also be considered Sabbaths.
By Church tradition, the last day of the Christmas Season is Candlemas – February 2nd.
Can we take a look at Candlemas now???
Okay, here we go…
Candlemas
This holiday is celebrated forty (40) days after Christmas Eve. This year it occurs on February 2nd 2009. There are several prophetic qualities to the holiday:
The Feast of the Presentation of Jesus in the Temple
Jesus says to enter Heaven, we must be “born again.” Joseph and Mary took Jesus too the temple to present their new child to God. If we are “born again,” or made “new” entering Heaven this may be the day we are taken by the “Holy Spirit” to the temple to be presented to God.
Purification of the Virgin
According to Mosaic law, a woman would be unclean for a total of 40 days after the birth of a child. As such, this is why Mary and Joseph waited 40 days after the birth of their son to take him to the temple. Virgin is a concept used to show those believers who have not defiled themselves with the world. Remember Joseph, who ran from Potiphar’s wife. Also, Esther who received the beauty treatments in anticipation of her meeting with the king. Immanuel, meaning “God with us” on Christmas, and Rapture meaning “us with God,” but possibly with a delay of 40 days for “purification.”
Meeting of the Lord
Have you been faithfully waiting for Jesus for some time now? Well be encouraged because two persons were doing the same thing upon Jesus’ first coming. Simeon the Righteous and Anna the prophetess. Both had received a promise from God that they would see the Messiah before death. God did not fail them. Here is the reference:
Luke 2:22-40 (King James Version)
22And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord;
23(As it is written in the law of the LORD, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord;)
24And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.
25And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him.
26And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ.
27And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law,
28Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said,
29Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word:
30For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,
31Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people;
32A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.
33And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him.
34And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;
35(Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.
36And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity;
37And she was a widow of about fourscore and four years, which departed not from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day.
38And she coming in that instant gave thanks likewise unto the Lord, and spake of him to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem.
39And when they had performed all things according to the law of the Lord, they returned into Galilee, to their own city Nazareth.
40And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.
Marking the end of the Epiphany & Christmas Season
It is tradition to leave Christmas decorations and lights up until February 2nd, which marks the end of the Christmas Season. Have you noticed it being still fall and our secular world bringing out everything having to do with Christmas before its even Thanksgiving yet? And then, when the 25th (or at most January 1st) is passed everything is put away. What a rip off! And “Bah, humbug!” Somehow, I don’t think God meant for holidays to be this way. Lots of commercialization and no time to linger for family and most important – Jesus!
Imbloc – Pagan Origins
Many rightly point to the Pagan origins of Candlemas. Part of this origin may be the Pagan ritual of Imbloc. When Constantine legalized Christianity and they combined Christian feasts w/ Pagan rituals this took place. Kind of reminds you of when Jesus said the leaven would be sown into the whole loaf –right??? Not a surprise to Jesus. This is obviously true of just about everything we do today right down to your wedding bands. What is a Bible believing Christian to do? Well do the same thing you do with all the other things that have Pagan origins. Believe in Jesus and that He makes us clean from our sin. We are about as clean as a child in a mud puddle.
Try to look at is this way. Think about Astrology vs. the Gospel of the Stars. Astrology is horrible and forbidden by the Bible – so stay away from it. But, this does not give Satan ownership of the Heavens! No way! God created the stars and the Heavens. Satan is not a creator, but a deceiver. I tell my kids this – There is no such thing as fiction. There always is truth behind every concept. This is why there are so many versions of the flood, the garden of Eden, etc. It doesn’t prove their false, it proves they are true. Satan has always taken a form of the truth to make it a lie. When you eat a banana you don’t eat the peel – right? Just eat what God intended you to and trust that He is Sovereign, Love and our Savior!
Let me point out a couple of things about Imbloc. It is a Pagan ritual. It acknowledges the midpoint between winter & spring. It is halfway between Winter Solstice and the Spring Equinox.
This is where we get Ground Hog day. It is a day to see if we will have an early Spring or not.
The Jewish Feast of Tu’ B Shevat which occurs near, and sometimes on, the date of Candlemas is seen as the first day of spring in Israel.
Here is a traditional poem in regards to winter and spring:
"The serpent will come from the holeOn the brown Day of Bride,Though there should be three feet of snowOn the flat surface of the ground
Now since this is spoken of from the “Pagan” point of view, let’s turn it inside out…
We know the Bride to be the Church, and the Serpent to be Satan. Proverbs has a few verses that remind me of this poem and also the Rapture. Here it is:
Wonderful Things Which I Know Not…
Proverbs 30: 18There be three things which are too wonderful for me, yea, four which I know not:
19The way of an eagle in the air Rapture;
“…I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself. - Exodus 19:4
the way of a serpent upon a rock Satan cast down;
“and the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent called the devil & Satan who decievith the whole world and was cast out into the earth and his angels with him.”
- Revelation 12:9
the way of a ship in the midst of the sea Tribulation Saints;
“…there arose a great tempest in the sea, insomuch as the ship was covered with waves: but he was asleep” – Matthew 8:24
and the way of a man with a maid Marriage in Heaven.
“and I saw the Holy City, the New Jerusalem coming down out of the Heaven from God, as a bride adorned for her husband.”
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The goddess Brigid is associated with the Imbloc holiday. She has some interesting qualities which clearly were taken from biblical principles:
· Purification (February means “purification”)
· Healing (we all need that, and those new bodies!)
· Sacred flames
· Lighting candles (reminds me of the five faithful virgins)
· Wells
I love the mention of wells here. Remember it was by a well that Abraham’s servant found Isaac’s bride, Jacob kissed Rachael and Jesus spoke to the woman at the Well. Well’s and water represent what we think of as “wormholes” which have everything to do with the Rapture (as wives do – not a coincidence). I previously have written an article called “Wives, Wells & Wormholes” which I won’t go into here (ref: www.tony4yhwh.com under prophetic J – Z).
One last mention is that the Full Moon this month (which is on February 9th) is the Snow Moon. Reminds me of Isaiah 1:18
“Come let us reason together says the Lord, though your sins are like scarlet I will make you white as snow, though they are as crimson, I will make you as wool.”
Amen!!!
Maranatha,
Tony
P.S. – Many more things to come in regards to February 2nd, I’ll post them at five doves as fast as I can write them! For further foundational reference see:
www.midnighshout.com and www.thechristmasrapture.com
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