This person is as wacky as all the other false prophets on the five "doves" web site:
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http://twelvebooks.wordpress.com/
at a certain moment a car with plates _77 7__ was to my right. About 1 minute after that another car with V77 7__ came to my left side so this was a cluster of 777. At the toll booth the car in front of us had the number _888__. I told my wife and my niece about the numbers and my niece made the comment that there must be a lot of cars with the 777 and 77 on it because I always so them. I explained that there is 1 in 1,000 cars with that license plate number and that the probability of seeing two in a cluster almost together is obtained by multiplying the numbers.
I believe that Jesus is pointing me to something that will happen on the month of August of 2008.
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So now false prophecies are being given by the numbers on license plates??? And people actually believe this unbiblical garbage???
This person is another false prophet who would rather believe satanic garbage than biblical truth. Whatever happened to discernment???
Exposing false prophets and false prophecies of those who call themselves Christians
Thursday, July 31, 2008
Wednesday, July 30, 2008
The followers of false prophets will suffer the same fate of the false prophets they follow
Jeremiah 14
14 Then the LORD said to me, "The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries [a] and the delusions of their own minds. 15 Therefore, this is what the LORD says about the prophets who are prophesying in my name: I did not send them, yet they are saying, 'No sword or famine will touch this land.' Those same prophets will perish by sword and famine. 16 And the people they are prophesying to will be thrown out into the streets of Jerusalem because of the famine and sword. There will be no one to bury them or their wives, their sons or their daughters. I will pour out on them the calamity they deserve.
[a] Jeremiah 14:14 Or visions, worthless divinations
14 Then the LORD said to me, "The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries [a] and the delusions of their own minds. 15 Therefore, this is what the LORD says about the prophets who are prophesying in my name: I did not send them, yet they are saying, 'No sword or famine will touch this land.' Those same prophets will perish by sword and famine. 16 And the people they are prophesying to will be thrown out into the streets of Jerusalem because of the famine and sword. There will be no one to bury them or their wives, their sons or their daughters. I will pour out on them the calamity they deserve.
[a] Jeremiah 14:14 Or visions, worthless divinations
Peggy McIlveene - wiccan
Peggy McIlveene claims to be a Messianic Believer in Messiah Yeshua and yet she promotes false prophets on false prophecies on her web site (his-forever.com) and she also posts recipes for pork and shellfish on her web site - which G-d calls an abomination:
Leviticus 11:7-8 "And the swine, though he divided the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you. "Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you."
Deuteronomy 14:8 "And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcass
Isaiah 65:2-4 I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts; A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon alters of brick; Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, eating swine's flesh, and the broth of abominable things is in their vessels."
Isaiah 66:17 "They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord."
Peggy McIlveene also signs her posts 'be blessed' which is the equivalent in wiccan circles to 'blessed be' --- a well known wiccan "blessing" (ie: CURSE) She claims to be a Messianic follower of Messiah Yeshua so why is she eating what G-d calls an abomination? and why is she promoting false prophets (especially the ones on five "doves") and their false prophecies???
Peggy McIlveene is a deceiver and is a counterfeit believer. She would rather listen to false prophets than the Word of G-d.
Leviticus 11:7-8 "And the swine, though he divided the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you. "Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you."
Deuteronomy 14:8 "And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcass
Isaiah 65:2-4 I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts; A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon alters of brick; Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, eating swine's flesh, and the broth of abominable things is in their vessels."
Isaiah 66:17 "They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord."
Peggy McIlveene also signs her posts 'be blessed' which is the equivalent in wiccan circles to 'blessed be' --- a well known wiccan "blessing" (ie: CURSE) She claims to be a Messianic follower of Messiah Yeshua so why is she eating what G-d calls an abomination? and why is she promoting false prophets (especially the ones on five "doves") and their false prophecies???
Peggy McIlveene is a deceiver and is a counterfeit believer. She would rather listen to false prophets than the Word of G-d.
Monday, July 28, 2008
Bob Schlenker - false prophet
http://theopenscroll.com
Many video teachings that claim we can know the day and hour (in spite of what Messiah Yeshua said) yet his dates have failed --- so that makes him a false prophet.
This is what Messiah Yeshua said:
Mark 13:32 (KJV) — But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Many. many false prophets say the above verse does not really mean we cannot know the day or the hour --- so do you believe what Messiah Yeshua says or do you believe the false prophets??? Remember, the serpent said to Eve 'Did G-d really say?" and she was deceived by the serpent because she chose to believe the serpent instead of G-d.
Many video teachings that claim we can know the day and hour (in spite of what Messiah Yeshua said) yet his dates have failed --- so that makes him a false prophet.
This is what Messiah Yeshua said:
Mark 13:32 (KJV) — But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Many. many false prophets say the above verse does not really mean we cannot know the day or the hour --- so do you believe what Messiah Yeshua says or do you believe the false prophets??? Remember, the serpent said to Eve 'Did G-d really say?" and she was deceived by the serpent because she chose to believe the serpent instead of G-d.
More drivel from five "doves"
More drivel from five "doves" (and specifically false prophet Jim Bramlett and those who he has deceived such as Donna Cothran) Jim Bramlett is an antichrist - he is a very evil person who is leading many people straight down the broad road to hell.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/july2008/donnac728.htm
Amen, Jim . . re: God's Covenants: . . as you say: God never changes, "but His dealing with man has changed. He annulled one covenant and made it obsolete,
and replaced it with a better one ".
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Yet Messiah Yeshua said He did not come to abolish Torah but to FULFILL them (ie: to atone for sins with His perfect sacrifice)
Matthew 5:
17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
Either you believe Messiah Yeshua or you believe the false prophets such as those on five "doves" - which is a fellowship for false prophets and false teachers. The five "doves" will remain almost intact when the rapture happens - and you can bet they will have an explanation of why they are still here.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/july2008/donnac728.htm
Amen, Jim . . re: God's Covenants: . . as you say: God never changes, "but His dealing with man has changed. He annulled one covenant and made it obsolete,
and replaced it with a better one ".
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Yet Messiah Yeshua said He did not come to abolish Torah but to FULFILL them (ie: to atone for sins with His perfect sacrifice)
Matthew 5:
17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
Either you believe Messiah Yeshua or you believe the false prophets such as those on five "doves" - which is a fellowship for false prophets and false teachers. The five "doves" will remain almost intact when the rapture happens - and you can bet they will have an explanation of why they are still here.
Thursday, July 24, 2008
Jimmy Lishman - another one who thinks their unbiblical dream ("near death experioence") supercedes the bible
Jimmy Lishman had a dream ("near death experience") that there is a sea in heaven and so believes there is a sea in heaven even though the bible says there is not (as if it really matters - they are the same ones who would argue about how many angels can dance on a head of a pin - and other such foolishness)
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/july2008/jimmyl724.htm
How can people believe what others say, dream, or experience if it contradicts what the bible clearly says??? Yet if someone had a dream that the five "doves" are satanists who are misleading people and using the name of Messiah Yeshua to do so - that dream they would not believe. They only want to believe and accept what their tickled ears wants them to believe because they love for false prophets to tell them what they want to hear.
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/july2008/jimmyl724.htm
How can people believe what others say, dream, or experience if it contradicts what the bible clearly says??? Yet if someone had a dream that the five "doves" are satanists who are misleading people and using the name of Messiah Yeshua to do so - that dream they would not believe. They only want to believe and accept what their tickled ears wants them to believe because they love for false prophets to tell them what they want to hear.
Wednesday, July 23, 2008
Frank R Molver: "Who cares what the bible says, I had a dream" (and other foolishness)
Now we have it - The bible clearly says the antimessiah will NOT be revealed until after the rapture but Frank R Molver had a dream 20 years ago that "the antichrist was revealed before the rapture" so that is the way it will be regardless of what the bible clearly says?
The bible says if someone teaches contrary to what the scripture says, then that person is a false prophet.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/july2008/frankm723.htm
With scripture there seems to be a little wiggle room in discussion sometimes. Sometimes God will give us insight with a dream or vision.About 20 years ago, when I just became a Christian and had little scriptural knowledge, God gave me this dream re this current topic. I have written about this before several years ago so I will be brief.
(rapture dream)
So in answer to the question. I believe we will be here when the antichrist is revealed. People will be very excited but he will not be in full power yet. Later, after the christians are taken, wise virgins in my opinion, he will begin his persecution. It will be aimed at the ones the world hated so much, Christians. It will be the unwise virgins that will be the first of his brutality.
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How does this person know this dream is from G-d ? by comparing the dream with scripture? NOPE - he throws scripture out because it disagrees with his dream or "vision"
Never mind many people have dreams and visions of the demon who masquerades as the "Virgin Mary" --- if you are to believe this "dream" even though it contradicts scripture, then you must naturally believe any demon who masquerades as the "Virgin Mary" too.
The bible says if someone teaches contrary to what the scripture says, then that person is a false prophet.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/july2008/frankm723.htm
With scripture there seems to be a little wiggle room in discussion sometimes. Sometimes God will give us insight with a dream or vision.About 20 years ago, when I just became a Christian and had little scriptural knowledge, God gave me this dream re this current topic. I have written about this before several years ago so I will be brief.
(rapture dream)
So in answer to the question. I believe we will be here when the antichrist is revealed. People will be very excited but he will not be in full power yet. Later, after the christians are taken, wise virgins in my opinion, he will begin his persecution. It will be aimed at the ones the world hated so much, Christians. It will be the unwise virgins that will be the first of his brutality.
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How does this person know this dream is from G-d ? by comparing the dream with scripture? NOPE - he throws scripture out because it disagrees with his dream or "vision"
Never mind many people have dreams and visions of the demon who masquerades as the "Virgin Mary" --- if you are to believe this "dream" even though it contradicts scripture, then you must naturally believe any demon who masquerades as the "Virgin Mary" too.
Tuesday, July 22, 2008
Thomas Taylor - british Israelism / FALSE TEACHER
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/july2008/thomast722.htm
Thomas Taylor of "five doves" teaches that Ancient Israel and modern Israel are two different peoples - another twist on the lie of british Israelism where they falsely teach the church has replaced Israel.
This person is teaching false doctrine and is EVIL. The verses he quotes is about those who claim they are Jewish but are actually gentiles who claim they have replaced Ancient Israel because the Jewish people (as a whole) have rejected Messiah Yeshua. What he fails to understand is that Israel has only rejected her Messiah TEMPORARILY and when they accept Messiah Yeshua (as a nation - many already follow Him) then ALL of Israel will be atoned for (saved)
This type of replacement theology (british Israelism) is TOTALLY EVIL
Please note. This is *NOT* the same Thomas Taylor of Thomas Taylor Ministries of Suffolk, VA (which I have verified)
Thomas Taylor of "five doves" teaches that Ancient Israel and modern Israel are two different peoples - another twist on the lie of british Israelism where they falsely teach the church has replaced Israel.
This person is teaching false doctrine and is EVIL. The verses he quotes is about those who claim they are Jewish but are actually gentiles who claim they have replaced Ancient Israel because the Jewish people (as a whole) have rejected Messiah Yeshua. What he fails to understand is that Israel has only rejected her Messiah TEMPORARILY and when they accept Messiah Yeshua (as a nation - many already follow Him) then ALL of Israel will be atoned for (saved)
This type of replacement theology (british Israelism) is TOTALLY EVIL
Please note. This is *NOT* the same Thomas Taylor of Thomas Taylor Ministries of Suffolk, VA (which I have verified)
Saturday, July 19, 2008
The "reformation" was a failure
The problem is people want a Savior (from hell) but they refuse to follow Messiah Yeshua (Jesus) as L-rd. They do not even know what L-rd means:
From dictionary.com
Lord
1. a person who has authority, control, or power over others; a master, chief, or ruler.
So L-rd means OBEYING a Master
Messiah Yeshua said He will deny those who do not obey G-d:
Matthew 7
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Yeshua said we must obey G-d (which means obey all He has commanded us to do) - otherwise Yeshua will say we are not His and will send us away.
The "reformers" were compromisers. They changes SOME of what the catholic "church" taught but they left a lot of catholic teachings. This has allowed the compromise through the ages and people can see how the "protestants" are not far from the catholic church.
What was needed (and many people see it today) was RESTORATION - restoring the faith back to the faith of the early church and get rid of ALL the false catholic teachings that remained in the "protestant" church since the "reformation" Those that see the compromise of the "reformers" are now going back to the faith of the early church (which was JEWISH) and they read their bibles and see that the gentiles among Ancient Israel were expected to follow Torah just like Israel.
Since Yeshua is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow - and Torah is G-d's instruction in Ancient Israel and will be followed in the Millennial Kingdom then why do most believe it is not for today? Gentiles are GRAFTED IN to Israel - not the other way around. Yet most people, like Ancient Israel, would rather follow traditions of men and false prophets instead of reading the bible for themselves and asking G-d to reveal HIS truth to them.
Those who love the Truth need to read their bibles for THEMSELVES and ask G-d to reveal HIS Truth to them - it is not too late for a RESTORATION back to the TRUE faith Messiah Yeshua taught us to have in G-d.
From dictionary.com
Lord
1. a person who has authority, control, or power over others; a master, chief, or ruler.
So L-rd means OBEYING a Master
Messiah Yeshua said He will deny those who do not obey G-d:
Matthew 7
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Yeshua said we must obey G-d (which means obey all He has commanded us to do) - otherwise Yeshua will say we are not His and will send us away.
The "reformers" were compromisers. They changes SOME of what the catholic "church" taught but they left a lot of catholic teachings. This has allowed the compromise through the ages and people can see how the "protestants" are not far from the catholic church.
What was needed (and many people see it today) was RESTORATION - restoring the faith back to the faith of the early church and get rid of ALL the false catholic teachings that remained in the "protestant" church since the "reformation" Those that see the compromise of the "reformers" are now going back to the faith of the early church (which was JEWISH) and they read their bibles and see that the gentiles among Ancient Israel were expected to follow Torah just like Israel.
Since Yeshua is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow - and Torah is G-d's instruction in Ancient Israel and will be followed in the Millennial Kingdom then why do most believe it is not for today? Gentiles are GRAFTED IN to Israel - not the other way around. Yet most people, like Ancient Israel, would rather follow traditions of men and false prophets instead of reading the bible for themselves and asking G-d to reveal HIS truth to them.
Those who love the Truth need to read their bibles for THEMSELVES and ask G-d to reveal HIS Truth to them - it is not too late for a RESTORATION back to the TRUE faith Messiah Yeshua taught us to have in G-d.
"Virgin Mary" mainifestations and visitations by "Jesus"
There is great apostasy by what calls itself Christian. Most who claim to be Christian are deceived and are not following Messiah Yeshua - they are following demons taught by those who call themselves pastors just like Ancient Israel followed false prophets and thought they were following G-d (Ezekiel chapter 8)
Many who are following demons see that manifestations of the "Virgin Mary" are demonic and yet they readily follow the false teachers and false prophets who claim they had visitations from "Jesus" even though their "Jesus" gives them false messages. They ignore the fact that the bible says in the last days there will be deceivers, false teachers, and false prophets from WITHIN the church.
The "five doves" web site are among the false teachers and prophets. They believe tbn is Christian television and that the demon possessed todd bentley is a prophet of G-d leading a revival. They cannot see the clear facts that this "revival" is actually apostacy. To them right is wrong and wrong is right. They will be left behind when the rapture happens and then deny it was the rapture because they are still here.
For those who truly want to follow G-d: Read your bible and ask the G-d of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel (Jacob) to reveal His truth to you. Do not believe ANYONE without verifying what they say with scripture. If anyone gives a prophecy and it fails - then they are a false prophet and are not to be believed.
Many who are following demons see that manifestations of the "Virgin Mary" are demonic and yet they readily follow the false teachers and false prophets who claim they had visitations from "Jesus" even though their "Jesus" gives them false messages. They ignore the fact that the bible says in the last days there will be deceivers, false teachers, and false prophets from WITHIN the church.
The "five doves" web site are among the false teachers and prophets. They believe tbn is Christian television and that the demon possessed todd bentley is a prophet of G-d leading a revival. They cannot see the clear facts that this "revival" is actually apostacy. To them right is wrong and wrong is right. They will be left behind when the rapture happens and then deny it was the rapture because they are still here.
For those who truly want to follow G-d: Read your bible and ask the G-d of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel (Jacob) to reveal His truth to you. Do not believe ANYONE without verifying what they say with scripture. If anyone gives a prophecy and it fails - then they are a false prophet and are not to be believed.
Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Stephen - unrepentant numerologist / false prophet
http://www.californiajudgment2008.citymax.com/page/page/4415325.htm
Instead of apologizing for their false prophecy that San Diego was to be destroyed on July 8, 2008, they explain it away and claim they were "biblical" because they "forsaw evil" and they also use numerology. They use gematria (kabbalah), pentagrams, and astrology to conjure up their false prophecies. Yet they claim they are obeying G-d??? and are doing G-d's will???
G-d's prophets are 100% accurate. This prophecy failed proving beyond a doubt it was demonic.
Anyone who listens to this demonic garbage is NOT a Christian - they are willfully DECEIVED.
Instead of apologizing for their false prophecy that San Diego was to be destroyed on July 8, 2008, they explain it away and claim they were "biblical" because they "forsaw evil" and they also use numerology. They use gematria (kabbalah), pentagrams, and astrology to conjure up their false prophecies. Yet they claim they are obeying G-d??? and are doing G-d's will???
G-d's prophets are 100% accurate. This prophecy failed proving beyond a doubt it was demonic.
Anyone who listens to this demonic garbage is NOT a Christian - they are willfully DECEIVED.
Friday, July 11, 2008
Richard Amiel McGough - numerologist / false prophet
BibleWheel.com is a satanic site that masquerades (although not very well) as a Christian site.
Mr. McGough uses a wheel with numbers on it to conjure up dates and predictions of future events.
He uses numerology in combination with the bible as well as satanism (as shown by his catholic type imagery on his web site) to try and convince people that G-d allows numerology as long as you also use the bible and Hebrew letters.
This is a false prophet and is not doing G-d's work. He is a deceiver and a liar (as is all false prophets)
Anyone who believes this satanic garbage has absolutely no discernment whatsoever.
Mr. McGough uses a wheel with numbers on it to conjure up dates and predictions of future events.
He uses numerology in combination with the bible as well as satanism (as shown by his catholic type imagery on his web site) to try and convince people that G-d allows numerology as long as you also use the bible and Hebrew letters.
This is a false prophet and is not doing G-d's work. He is a deceiver and a liar (as is all false prophets)
Anyone who believes this satanic garbage has absolutely no discernment whatsoever.
Thursday, July 10, 2008
John Tng - false prophet, DECEIVER, protector of false prophets
John Tng is the owner of the five "doves" website. He will not listen to those who tell him he needs to repent and stop allowing false prophets on his forum. Of course since he is also a provben (repeated) unrepentant false prophet as well as a numerologist, he continues to protect the false prophets and their prophecies. He also does not post anything from the bible that says false prophets do not speak for G-d and that TRUE prophets must be 100% accurate.
There are those who claim the five "doves" is an open forum because false prophets are allowed to post there - and they think everyone agrees with the false prophets because there are no posts against what they say. What they do not realize is that the five "doves" is HIGHLY censored and those who post against the false prophets and their prophecies are censored AND banned from the site. John Tng says this in his very own words:.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/july2008/shanthini710-5.htm
Hi John
I just want to thank you for a wonderful site and the dedication you have put into running this site. Since I don’t attend any church, the Five Doves is all I have! Eagerly I come to Five Doves daily to see the news and read the posts, especially pertaining to rapture. In the past, I have been in another forum, where we were banned from date setting, and most of the time even legitimate news appearing in mainstream media were not allowed to be posted, if it did not go along with the politics of the admin of that forum. There was no freedom to speak the truth. Christians are supposed to be truthful and if there is no freedom to speak out, then it puts off the true believers. You are one of those who allow discussions and news even though it may not appear unpalatable, as long as it is the truth.
May the Lord bless you for the wonderful service you are providing for so many Christians.
YSIC
Shanthi
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Thanks, Shanthi. This thing about open forum is a relative thing. One man's open forum is another's closed forum.
John
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What most people do not realize is the five "doves" started as a rapture prediction site in which John Tng promised to remove the site if the rapture did not happen on that date because he would be a false prophet - and yet so many unrepentant false prophets (who have been banned from sites that hold to at least some biblical truth) begged him to keep the site open for their false prophecies to be spread throughout the world.
As you can see, this poor deceived woman thinks five "doves" is a forum where "Christians are supposed to be truthful and if there is no freedom to speak out, then it puts off the true believers. You are one of those who allow discussions and news even though it may not appear unpalatable, as long as it is the truth."
Yet what about the TRUTH about false prophets who DECEIVE and how TRUE prophets are 100% accurate???
John Tng is a false prophet and a DECEIVER and Messiah Yeshua will cast him away on judgement day for his wickedness (unless he repents)
There are those who claim the five "doves" is an open forum because false prophets are allowed to post there - and they think everyone agrees with the false prophets because there are no posts against what they say. What they do not realize is that the five "doves" is HIGHLY censored and those who post against the false prophets and their prophecies are censored AND banned from the site. John Tng says this in his very own words:.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/july2008/shanthini710-5.htm
Hi John
I just want to thank you for a wonderful site and the dedication you have put into running this site. Since I don’t attend any church, the Five Doves is all I have! Eagerly I come to Five Doves daily to see the news and read the posts, especially pertaining to rapture. In the past, I have been in another forum, where we were banned from date setting, and most of the time even legitimate news appearing in mainstream media were not allowed to be posted, if it did not go along with the politics of the admin of that forum. There was no freedom to speak the truth. Christians are supposed to be truthful and if there is no freedom to speak out, then it puts off the true believers. You are one of those who allow discussions and news even though it may not appear unpalatable, as long as it is the truth.
May the Lord bless you for the wonderful service you are providing for so many Christians.
YSIC
Shanthi
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Thanks, Shanthi. This thing about open forum is a relative thing. One man's open forum is another's closed forum.
John
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What most people do not realize is the five "doves" started as a rapture prediction site in which John Tng promised to remove the site if the rapture did not happen on that date because he would be a false prophet - and yet so many unrepentant false prophets (who have been banned from sites that hold to at least some biblical truth) begged him to keep the site open for their false prophecies to be spread throughout the world.
As you can see, this poor deceived woman thinks five "doves" is a forum where "Christians are supposed to be truthful and if there is no freedom to speak out, then it puts off the true believers. You are one of those who allow discussions and news even though it may not appear unpalatable, as long as it is the truth."
Yet what about the TRUTH about false prophets who DECEIVE and how TRUE prophets are 100% accurate???
John Tng is a false prophet and a DECEIVER and Messiah Yeshua will cast him away on judgement day for his wickedness (unless he repents)
Ted Porter - numerologist and unrepentant false prophet
Ted Porter is an unrepentant false prophet who uses numerology to conjure up rapture dates. Of course he is a beloeved prophet of the five "doves" - they only allow false prophets to post on their website.
From Ted Porter's post on the five "doves" website. His own post condemns him as a false prophet:
Today, I had purchased groceries that had totaled $111.16 and the 111 reminded me that the very next day on 7/10/2008 which is when this should post, it will be 111 days to 10/29/2008 just as 7/10/2008 will be 111 days from 3/21/2008, Good Friday, a Rapture watch date as pointed out in a previous post:
"Rapture Watch 3/21/2008 - Redeeming "Good" Friday":http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/mar2008/tedp319-2.htm
Which in a purposely cryptic form I had stated without calculating:
Let us do good. Note BOTH the III and 1:11 in reference to the same verse. Should the Rapture not be this coming Good Friday, then I feel it would be Good to add 111 days to the date of Good Friday and watch again. If still the Rapture does not occur, then another 111 days. Sounds foolish, I know.
For anyone that had done the math:
3/21/2008 + 111 = 7/10/2008
7/10/2008 + 111 = 10/29/2008
or 3/21/2008 (Good Friday) + 222 = 10/29/2008
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He is basing the his rapture date on the amount of groceries he purchased??? and adding the amounts to some other conjured up date to predict the rapture??? WHERE IS THE DISCERNMENT???
From Ted Porter's post on the five "doves" website. His own post condemns him as a false prophet:
Today, I had purchased groceries that had totaled $111.16 and the 111 reminded me that the very next day on 7/10/2008 which is when this should post, it will be 111 days to 10/29/2008 just as 7/10/2008 will be 111 days from 3/21/2008, Good Friday, a Rapture watch date as pointed out in a previous post:
"Rapture Watch 3/21/2008 - Redeeming "Good" Friday":http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/mar2008/tedp319-2.htm
Which in a purposely cryptic form I had stated without calculating:
Let us do good. Note BOTH the III and 1:11 in reference to the same verse. Should the Rapture not be this coming Good Friday, then I feel it would be Good to add 111 days to the date of Good Friday and watch again. If still the Rapture does not occur, then another 111 days. Sounds foolish, I know.
For anyone that had done the math:
3/21/2008 + 111 = 7/10/2008
7/10/2008 + 111 = 10/29/2008
or 3/21/2008 (Good Friday) + 222 = 10/29/2008
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He is basing the his rapture date on the amount of groceries he purchased??? and adding the amounts to some other conjured up date to predict the rapture??? WHERE IS THE DISCERNMENT???
Wednesday, July 9, 2008
Jan Mikael - false prophet and promoter of false prophets
Jan Mikael (from Denmark) is a false prophet and promotes the false prophets and false prophecies posted on the five "doves" web site.
When warned about the sin of date setting, he sent me scripture claiming I was mocking and scoffing at Yeshua's soon return.
What blinds these false prophets so that they can claim that those who watch for Yeshua every day are scoffers because they do not believe the false prophecies of their beloved false prophets???
Yeshua can come any day and I continually watch each and every day - yet the false prophets such as Jan Mikael claim I am a scoffer and mocker of the BIBLICAL Truth because I will not accept their false prophecies or failed date setters as a prophet of G-d.
It is the wicked servant that says Yeshua cannot come until a certain date. Those who claim to speak for G-d and have failed prophecies are false prophets and Yeshua will tell them 'go away, I never knew you'
Matthew 7
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
When warned about the sin of date setting, he sent me scripture claiming I was mocking and scoffing at Yeshua's soon return.
What blinds these false prophets so that they can claim that those who watch for Yeshua every day are scoffers because they do not believe the false prophecies of their beloved false prophets???
Yeshua can come any day and I continually watch each and every day - yet the false prophets such as Jan Mikael claim I am a scoffer and mocker of the BIBLICAL Truth because I will not accept their false prophecies or failed date setters as a prophet of G-d.
It is the wicked servant that says Yeshua cannot come until a certain date. Those who claim to speak for G-d and have failed prophecies are false prophets and Yeshua will tell them 'go away, I never knew you'
Matthew 7
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Daniel W. Matson - unrepentant false prophet
When Daniel Matson's rapture date prophecies he does not repent - he just writes yet another book. The sad thing is he still has a following and people continue to buy his books even after he proves himself to be a false prophet. Of course, he quotes the scripture about mockers in the last days - although like all other false prophets, he claims the mockers of their false rapture dates is the same thing as mocking Yeshua's imminent return. What they cannot comprehend is the fact that there are those who watch each and every day and yet do not buy into their false rapture dates or numerology. Yes, Yeshua is about to return and I am watching for Him today (and if He does not return today, I will watch for Him tomorrow) I do NOT hold to the false prophets rapture dates. Yeshua clearly said we would NOT know the day or the hour and He said He would return AT A TIME WE THINK NOT. Yet there are those who continue to conjure up rapture dates (even before some of their previous dates have failed!) and they think they are being obedient and doing G-d's service??? Messiah Yeshua said He will reject those who prophecy in His name if they are disobedient to G-d.
Here is from Daniel Matson's web page (http://jesus2006.org/ ) :
Signs of the End saw the significance of Rosh Hashanah 2006 as the possible Rapture time. All other pages posted on the website since 2006 focussed on the possibilities for 2007. However, the main thrust of the book is that the Tribulation or Daniel's 70th Week runs from 2010 to 2017. The dates of 2006 and 2007 seem to provide a significant tie in to the dates of 2010-2017. The following links will be to pages that support 2010 as the beginning of Daniel's 70th Week. The Rapture must occur before, if this is the time.
The major adjustment to the thesis of the book is that the dates found in 2006 and 2007 are warning dates all linking themselves to dates in 2010 to 2017. They were not dates for the Rapture or the War of Ezekiel. This would mean that the seven years needed to burn the weapons of the Magog Alliance would be the similar years of Daniel's 70th Week to preserve the 2010-2017 hypothesis.
Here is from Daniel Matson's web page (http://jesus2006.org/ ) :
Signs of the End saw the significance of Rosh Hashanah 2006 as the possible Rapture time. All other pages posted on the website since 2006 focussed on the possibilities for 2007. However, the main thrust of the book is that the Tribulation or Daniel's 70th Week runs from 2010 to 2017. The dates of 2006 and 2007 seem to provide a significant tie in to the dates of 2010-2017. The following links will be to pages that support 2010 as the beginning of Daniel's 70th Week. The Rapture must occur before, if this is the time.
The major adjustment to the thesis of the book is that the dates found in 2006 and 2007 are warning dates all linking themselves to dates in 2010 to 2017. They were not dates for the Rapture or the War of Ezekiel. This would mean that the seven years needed to burn the weapons of the Magog Alliance would be the similar years of Daniel's 70th Week to preserve the 2010-2017 hypothesis.
Tuesday, July 8, 2008
Ross Verba from NFL (Superbowl player) to false prophet
Ross Verba must have taken too many hits to the head. He went from a NFL Superbowl player to a numerologist / false prophet. The rest of this post is directly from Verba's web site (links given) NONE of his ramblings are to be believed - he is a FALSE PROPHET and is commiting abominations against G-d.
http://sandiegowarning2008.com/
"THE LORD'S JUDGMENT"DESTRUCTION TO SAN DIEGO, CA.
JULY 8, 2008
2 Chronicles 13."17""second digit 7 gives you month, 1+7=8 gives you day"17.Abijah and his people defeated them with a greatslaughter, so that 500,000 chosen men of Israel fell slain.
Ross Verba, former NFL football star (according to his web page http://sandiegowarning2008.com/Thewarning.html)
He is now involved in numerology and is a false prophet:
High school number 80 = 2008
College, University of Iowa 73= seven millennium
From Adam, third millennium from Jesus)
Green Bay Packers,drafted last pick in first round, 1997. Number 78..
Look 78, July, 8.
I played in Super Bowl 32, In SanDiego, the exact location of judgment Saith the Lord God…English gematria, where a=1, b=2, c=3 etc.
Ross = 71 backwards 17
Robert= 78 backwards 87 "hidden Manna"
Verba= 48
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197(1+9+7=17)Ross Verba =119...9.11...CRAZY!!!!!!!
He is using me to shout from the rooftops, that Judgment to California will happen on July 8,2008....... The number "17" is the prophetic number, Of which Amos 3. 7 talks about the "Secret". He willdo nothing unless He reveals His secret to His Servants the prophets... The Secret is this….”The chapter and verse numbersare anointed and the revealing of “July 8, 2008”. Let me give you oneexample, for I will be presenting many. The Birth of the Man-child Rev. 12.5(1+2+5=8)
http://sandiegowarning2008.com/
"THE LORD'S JUDGMENT"DESTRUCTION TO SAN DIEGO, CA.
JULY 8, 2008
2 Chronicles 13."17""second digit 7 gives you month, 1+7=8 gives you day"17.Abijah and his people defeated them with a greatslaughter, so that 500,000 chosen men of Israel fell slain.
Ross Verba, former NFL football star (according to his web page http://sandiegowarning2008.com/Thewarning.html)
He is now involved in numerology and is a false prophet:
High school number 80 = 2008
College, University of Iowa 73= seven millennium
From Adam, third millennium from Jesus)
Green Bay Packers,drafted last pick in first round, 1997. Number 78..
Look 78, July, 8.
I played in Super Bowl 32, In SanDiego, the exact location of judgment Saith the Lord God…English gematria, where a=1, b=2, c=3 etc.
Ross = 71 backwards 17
Robert= 78 backwards 87 "hidden Manna"
Verba= 48
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197(1+9+7=17)Ross Verba =119...9.11...CRAZY!!!!!!!
He is using me to shout from the rooftops, that Judgment to California will happen on July 8,2008....... The number "17" is the prophetic number, Of which Amos 3. 7 talks about the "Secret". He willdo nothing unless He reveals His secret to His Servants the prophets... The Secret is this….”The chapter and verse numbersare anointed and the revealing of “July 8, 2008”. Let me give you oneexample, for I will be presenting many. The Birth of the Man-child Rev. 12.5(1+2+5=8)
Marilyn Agee - Unrepentant false prophet / spammer
Marilyn Agee has been on the internet for a long time spewing her false prophecies / conjured up rapture dates. The first time I heard about her is when she spammed me (and thousands of others) with her false rapture date prophecies (which, of course, failed) She has never repented of her false prophecies and continually conjures up more dates - YEAR AFTER YEAR. Why anyone thinks she is a prophet of G-d after years of false prophecies totally amazes me. Apparently some people prefer to listen to the lies of false prophets than to believe Messiah Yeshua when He said we would not know the day of His return (for the rapture) and that He would return when we think not. Why is it so hard (for sdome people) to obey Messiah Yeshua and to 'KEEP WATCH' each and every day?
Monday, July 7, 2008
True Prophets = 100% accurate
Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Deuteronomy 18
20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
2 Peter 2
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2 Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Deuteronomy 18
20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
2 Peter 2
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2 Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
The "christian" forty year generation myth (LIE)
Many people have asked me to explain why I do not hold to the forty year "biblical" generation myth that is believed by many so-called "christians". The reason I do not believe it is because it is not biblical and is not taught anywhere in the bible. It is satanic propaganda that is used to set so-called rapture dates (Which contradicts the biblical view that no man knows the day or hour and Yeshua will return when we think not)
The forty year generation myth (LIE), as far as I can figure out, was first taught by Hal Lindsay in his book "The Late Great Planet Earth" and has since been regurgitated by most prophecy "experts" ever since. Apparently few of the so-called "experts" read their bibles for themselves. (side note: Hal Lindsay is an adulterer and teaches the lie of once saved always saved to cover his adultery and sins)
The forty years was given to Israel as a time of wandering in the wilderness because of their disobedience so that those over age twenty would die off. What most so-called "experts" fail to see are the parts where those over twenty would die off (leaving those that are younger than that - a part of the generation - to enter the Promised Land) and where some were killed off while wandering which further skewed the population age. Moses and Aaron were 120 when they died right before Israel entered the Promised Land and Caleb and Joshua were allowed to enter the Promised Land - all were part of the generation that left egypt. Why are these facts ignored by the so-called "experts" ??? It is so their sin of date setting can be made to fit their unbiblical forty year generation.
Numbers 32
11 Surely none of the men that came up out of Egypt, from twenty years old and upward, shall see the land which I swore unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob; because they have not wholly followed Me;
12 save Caleb the son of Jephunneh the Kenizzite, and Joshua the son of Nun; because they have wholly followed the LORD. 13 And the LORD'S anger was kindled against Israel, and He made them wander to and fro in the wilderness forty years, until all the generation, that had done evil in the sight of the LORD, was consumed.
The forty year generation myth (LIE), as far as I can figure out, was first taught by Hal Lindsay in his book "The Late Great Planet Earth" and has since been regurgitated by most prophecy "experts" ever since. Apparently few of the so-called "experts" read their bibles for themselves. (side note: Hal Lindsay is an adulterer and teaches the lie of once saved always saved to cover his adultery and sins)
The forty years was given to Israel as a time of wandering in the wilderness because of their disobedience so that those over age twenty would die off. What most so-called "experts" fail to see are the parts where those over twenty would die off (leaving those that are younger than that - a part of the generation - to enter the Promised Land) and where some were killed off while wandering which further skewed the population age. Moses and Aaron were 120 when they died right before Israel entered the Promised Land and Caleb and Joshua were allowed to enter the Promised Land - all were part of the generation that left egypt. Why are these facts ignored by the so-called "experts" ??? It is so their sin of date setting can be made to fit their unbiblical forty year generation.
Numbers 32
11 Surely none of the men that came up out of Egypt, from twenty years old and upward, shall see the land which I swore unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob; because they have not wholly followed Me;
12 save Caleb the son of Jephunneh the Kenizzite, and Joshua the son of Nun; because they have wholly followed the LORD. 13 And the LORD'S anger was kindled against Israel, and He made them wander to and fro in the wilderness forty years, until all the generation, that had done evil in the sight of the LORD, was consumed.
Peggy McIlveene - false prophet / cheerleader of false prophets
Peggy McIlveene has absolutely no discernment whatsoever. She claims to be a Messianic believer and yet sees nothing wrong with eating things G-d calls an abomination to eat and she sees nothing wrong with readint eh false prophet site (five doves) the first thing when she gets to WORK in the morning - thereby admitting stealing her employer's time and resources.
She supports those repeatedly make false prophecies (ie: false prophets) and condemns those who say anything "negative" about those false prophets (negative meaning telling them they need to stop their false prophecies and repent)
her support of abominations and of false prophets after being repeatedly warned makes her a disobedient sinner that is not walking with Messiah Yeshua in spite of her claims.
She supports those repeatedly make false prophecies (ie: false prophets) and condemns those who say anything "negative" about those false prophets (negative meaning telling them they need to stop their false prophecies and repent)
her support of abominations and of false prophets after being repeatedly warned makes her a disobedient sinner that is not walking with Messiah Yeshua in spite of her claims.
GT Grenough false prophet
Not only is GT Grenough so sure his failed "Pentocost" (Shavuot) 2008 rapture date is correct, now that it has failed he has made a "discovery" that Shavuot is not really until august. Some false prophets continue to grasp at straws after their prophecies fail. (Another false prophet who claimed the rapture would happen in 2007 changed it to orthodox new years on january 1st after her 2007 rapture date failed - and is now touting 2008 as the year) It is interesting to note that august is the wiccan harvest festival and many false prophets are now claiming Shavuot is the same as the pagan harvest festival. That should tell you something.
This is what GT Grenough stated:
"It points to early August 2008. I don't see how there can be any other conclusion. This is filtered and evaluated data. It's a prototype that's been years in the making, and as engineers often know, after a while a prototype becomes the real thing."
What he forgets is that the Titanic was also a prototype. G-d will not hold to the false prophets dates no matter what they "conclude"
And in another post he makes it clear he is giving a rapture date:
"I’ve put together an analysis – a prototype which has been a work in progress for months, a 20-page report via a PDF file which I’ve now titled “BEYOND FAIL SAFE” which indicates beyond every reasonable shadow of a doubt that August, probably early August 2008, is the TIMING OF THE DISAPPEARANCE OF THE CHURCH – THE RAPTURE."
This is what GT Grenough stated:
"It points to early August 2008. I don't see how there can be any other conclusion. This is filtered and evaluated data. It's a prototype that's been years in the making, and as engineers often know, after a while a prototype becomes the real thing."
What he forgets is that the Titanic was also a prototype. G-d will not hold to the false prophets dates no matter what they "conclude"
And in another post he makes it clear he is giving a rapture date:
"I’ve put together an analysis – a prototype which has been a work in progress for months, a 20-page report via a PDF file which I’ve now titled “BEYOND FAIL SAFE” which indicates beyond every reasonable shadow of a doubt that August, probably early August 2008, is the TIMING OF THE DISAPPEARANCE OF THE CHURCH – THE RAPTURE."
Clay Cantrell numerologist / false prophet
Another false prophet on the five "doves" web site is Clay Cantrell. He uses numerology (including dates of JFK's assasination) in order to predict the future. Yet he is allowed to post in spite of his numerous false dates he has conjured up in the past. Even by those false prophets who [FALSELY] claim "biblical numerology" is allowed by G-d, what does JFK have to do with your so-called "biblical" numerology???
One recent comment by Clay Cantrell: "it seems the Lord has covered His tracks."
Why would the L-rd need to "cover His tracks" ??? and why is Cantrell blaming G-d for numbers that don't add up to what he thinks they should be???
Here is the post in question:
when JFK was shot and killed on 11.22 1963 it rocked the USA. 1963 - 1122 = 841 841 = 157 + 527 + 157 157 is a known disaster number.and 527 is known to also be - though this has shocked me.it seems the Lord has covered His tracks.
This is totally unbiblical and is a sin. numerology is an ABOMINATION to G-d. Yet the five "doves" does not have a problem with posting this unbiblical garbage. Yet you email them a post saying false prophets need to repent - THAT they have a problem with.
One recent comment by Clay Cantrell: "it seems the Lord has covered His tracks."
Why would the L-rd need to "cover His tracks" ??? and why is Cantrell blaming G-d for numbers that don't add up to what he thinks they should be???
Here is the post in question:
when JFK was shot and killed on 11.22 1963 it rocked the USA. 1963 - 1122 = 841 841 = 157 + 527 + 157 157 is a known disaster number.and 527 is known to also be - though this has shocked me.it seems the Lord has covered His tracks.
This is totally unbiblical and is a sin. numerology is an ABOMINATION to G-d. Yet the five "doves" does not have a problem with posting this unbiblical garbage. Yet you email them a post saying false prophets need to repent - THAT they have a problem with.
Sunday, July 6, 2008
Censorship on "open discussion" forums
The five "doves" site reminds me of the fairy tale 'The Emporer's New Clothes" Where everyone believed the naked emporer was wearing spectacular clothes even though he was naked. The five "doves" claims to be an open discussion forum for Christians and yet they censor those who hold their proven false prophets to biblical standards.
The five "doves" is a site where false prophets can post their false prophecies without being held to any standard (biblical or otherwise) as long as they remotely claim to be a Christian or state that they are. Those who post about obedience or for the need to G-d's prophets to be 100% accurate or who post that the false prophets need to repent or apologize are CENSORED and their messages are not posted. Yet they claim to be an open discussion forum for Christians and that every view, even those who have views that conflict with the owners, are posted. This is a LIE. Those who speak up (like the little child who said the emporer had no clothes) are silenced because they give scripture verses that expose their false prophets and their false prophecies.
The five "doves" web site is an abomination to G-d because they give false prophecies in His name and the false prophets are not held accountable to biblical standards. They will be sent away by Messiah Yeshua unless they repent and turn away from their abominations / sins:
Matthew 7
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
The five "doves" is a site where false prophets can post their false prophecies without being held to any standard (biblical or otherwise) as long as they remotely claim to be a Christian or state that they are. Those who post about obedience or for the need to G-d's prophets to be 100% accurate or who post that the false prophets need to repent or apologize are CENSORED and their messages are not posted. Yet they claim to be an open discussion forum for Christians and that every view, even those who have views that conflict with the owners, are posted. This is a LIE. Those who speak up (like the little child who said the emporer had no clothes) are silenced because they give scripture verses that expose their false prophets and their false prophecies.
The five "doves" web site is an abomination to G-d because they give false prophecies in His name and the false prophets are not held accountable to biblical standards. They will be sent away by Messiah Yeshua unless they repent and turn away from their abominations / sins:
Matthew 7
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
The numerology of Bob Ware and Donna Danna
The five "doves" web site published many daily laters by both Bob Ware and Donna Danna, both who use numerology to predict rapture dates and dates for other events in spite of being warned that they are participating in something G-d forbids. Since both have regularly predicted dates for the rapture and other events and none of what they predicted has ever happened, then they are false prophets and it is proof G-d is not behind what they predicted.
"For this commandment which I command thee this day, IT IS NOT HIDDEN FROM THEE, neither is it far off."
(Deuteronomy 30:11)
Leviticus 19:26 ‘You shall not eat anything with the blood, nor practice divination or soothsaying.
div·i·na·tion
–noun
1.
the practice of attempting to foretell future events or discover hidden knowledge by occult or supernatural means.
sooth·say·ing
–noun
1.
the practice or art of foretelling events.
2.
a prediction or prophecy.
oc·cult
–adjective
1.
of or pertaining to magic, astrology, or any system claiming use or knowledge of secret or supernatural powers or agencies.
2.
beyond the range of ordinary knowledge or understanding; mysterious.
3.
secret; disclosed or communicated only to the initiated.
4.
hidden from view.
5.
(in early science)
a.
not apparent on mere inspection but discoverable by experimentation.
b.
of a nature not understood, as physical qualities.
c.
dealing with such qualities; experimental: occult science.
6.
Medicine/Medical. present in amounts too small to be visible: a chemical test to detect occult blood in the stool. –noun
7.
the supernatural or supernatural agencies and affairs considered as a whole (usually prec. by the).
8.
occult studies or sciences (usually prec. by the). –verb (used with object)
9.
to block or shut off (an object) from view; hide.
10.
Astronomy. to hide (a celestial body) by occultation. –verb (used without object)
11.
to become hidden or shut off from view.
"For this commandment which I command thee this day, IT IS NOT HIDDEN FROM THEE, neither is it far off."
(Deuteronomy 30:11)
Leviticus 19:26 ‘You shall not eat anything with the blood, nor practice divination or soothsaying.
div·i·na·tion
–noun
1.
the practice of attempting to foretell future events or discover hidden knowledge by occult or supernatural means.
sooth·say·ing
–noun
1.
the practice or art of foretelling events.
2.
a prediction or prophecy.
oc·cult
–adjective
1.
of or pertaining to magic, astrology, or any system claiming use or knowledge of secret or supernatural powers or agencies.
2.
beyond the range of ordinary knowledge or understanding; mysterious.
3.
secret; disclosed or communicated only to the initiated.
4.
hidden from view.
5.
(in early science)
a.
not apparent on mere inspection but discoverable by experimentation.
b.
of a nature not understood, as physical qualities.
c.
dealing with such qualities; experimental: occult science.
6.
Medicine/Medical. present in amounts too small to be visible: a chemical test to detect occult blood in the stool. –noun
7.
the supernatural or supernatural agencies and affairs considered as a whole (usually prec. by the).
8.
occult studies or sciences (usually prec. by the). –verb (used with object)
9.
to block or shut off (an object) from view; hide.
10.
Astronomy. to hide (a celestial body) by occultation. –verb (used without object)
11.
to become hidden or shut off from view.
The false prophecies of Jim Bramlett
Jim Bramlett has been an unrepentant false prophet for many years. He is sneaky though - instead of saying "G-d told me..." he claims G-d told an innocent child or 'an angel said' OR, one of his favorite lies, 'a friend emailed me this saying a friend of theirs said ....', etc. His current false prophecy was supposedly from someone who is handicapped (and his brother wanted to remain anonymous so not to "jeopardize his wife's careeer') and yet that rapture date prophecy failed. There was NO repentance - only a post about how "there would be some who would attack the handicapped brother for being wrong" and his usual excuses why he is to not be blamed for failed prophecies.
Jim Bramlett has posted the same false prophecies for years (with a few different minor twists to it) claiming either an angel or a young child told someone (usually at walmart) that "this will be the last christmas". Yet Jim Bramlett has posted this similar themed false prophecy on the internet every year for at least ten years (that I know of) No repentance (or even apologies) when he is wrong - just more excuses.
Jim Bramlett is one of the so-called "five doves" on the web site of the same name that caters to false prophets and censors those of us who state the false prophets need to repent of their false prophecies because G-d did not tell them to speak those lies (since none of them happened, they are lies and G-d never told them to speak them)
Jim Bramlett also comes up with unconfirmable tales of how someone (usually a young child) has been raised from the dead usually in a foreign country and he has learned about it third or fourth hand. Yes, G-d does still perform miracles but when they are told third hand by a confirmed false prophet, it is suspect that this was a true miracle by G-d and is just another fable that will tickle the ears by those gullible enough to believe anything a confirmed false prophet says.
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/june2008/jim613-1.htm (DO NOT BELIEVE ANYTHING ON THE FIVE "doves" WEB SITE)
II Timothy 4:3 3For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
Jim Bramlett has posted the same false prophecies for years (with a few different minor twists to it) claiming either an angel or a young child told someone (usually at walmart) that "this will be the last christmas". Yet Jim Bramlett has posted this similar themed false prophecy on the internet every year for at least ten years (that I know of) No repentance (or even apologies) when he is wrong - just more excuses.
Jim Bramlett is one of the so-called "five doves" on the web site of the same name that caters to false prophets and censors those of us who state the false prophets need to repent of their false prophecies because G-d did not tell them to speak those lies (since none of them happened, they are lies and G-d never told them to speak them)
Jim Bramlett also comes up with unconfirmable tales of how someone (usually a young child) has been raised from the dead usually in a foreign country and he has learned about it third or fourth hand. Yes, G-d does still perform miracles but when they are told third hand by a confirmed false prophet, it is suspect that this was a true miracle by G-d and is just another fable that will tickle the ears by those gullible enough to believe anything a confirmed false prophet says.
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/june2008/jim613-1.htm (DO NOT BELIEVE ANYTHING ON THE FIVE "doves" WEB SITE)
II Timothy 4:3 3For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
Saturday, July 5, 2008
The LIES of "pastor" FM Riley
On the five "doves" web site, "pastor" FM Riley claims he is being "harassed" by scoffers. I was not scoffing at Messiah Yeshua's soon return as he repeatedly make it out to be. I was telling him his false rapture date setting (which was for june 2008) had failed and he was a false prophet because the dates he claimed G-d gave him for the rapture had failed.
THIS is what I had emailed "pastor" FM Riley. How is this "scoffing" as "pastor" Riley claims???
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Yeshua said we will NOT know the day or the hour and we are to KEEP WATCH every day. He did not say to guess dates nor did He say to give false prophecies about dates. YOU are a false prophet therefore you are NOT a Christian.
I watch for Yeshua's return EVERY day. I do not have to look for dates when He is allowed to return - I expect His return every day.
You claimed to speak for G-d - and your prophecies failed. If you were speaking for G-d, then your prophecies would have been 100% accurate because He does not give LIES.
Adonai has spoken: YOU are a false prophet and are not a Christian. Unless you repent, you will be cast into the lake of fire along with all the other false prophets.
G-d forbids numerology and that is what you are using to conjure up dates --- forty years has never been a "biblical generation" as so many regurgitate from hal lindsay's false teaching. Any beginner bible reader can see through this fallacy.
You may be watching - but so are the foolish five virgins. You likely won't even realize the rapture happened after it does.
BTW - it is not "hate" to tell a false prophet to repent and to give up their false prophecies.
THIS is what I had emailed "pastor" FM Riley. How is this "scoffing" as "pastor" Riley claims???
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Yeshua said we will NOT know the day or the hour and we are to KEEP WATCH every day. He did not say to guess dates nor did He say to give false prophecies about dates. YOU are a false prophet therefore you are NOT a Christian.
I watch for Yeshua's return EVERY day. I do not have to look for dates when He is allowed to return - I expect His return every day.
You claimed to speak for G-d - and your prophecies failed. If you were speaking for G-d, then your prophecies would have been 100% accurate because He does not give LIES.
Adonai has spoken: YOU are a false prophet and are not a Christian. Unless you repent, you will be cast into the lake of fire along with all the other false prophets.
G-d forbids numerology and that is what you are using to conjure up dates --- forty years has never been a "biblical generation" as so many regurgitate from hal lindsay's false teaching. Any beginner bible reader can see through this fallacy.
You may be watching - but so are the foolish five virgins. You likely won't even realize the rapture happened after it does.
BTW - it is not "hate" to tell a false prophet to repent and to give up their false prophecies.
Rapture Date Setting
I firmly believe that the pre tribulation rapture is taught in the bible - both in the Tanach ("Old" Covenant) and the Brit Hadasha ("New" covenant)
There are false prophets who claim they can figure out the day of the rapture in spite of the fact Messiah Yeshua (Jesus) said we could not:
Matthew 24
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no one, not even the angels of heaven, neither the Son, but the Father only.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not on what day your Lord cometh.
There is one web site that calls itself "five doves" (a replacement of the Holy Spirit which is also referred to as a Dove???) and they REPEATEDLY post false prophecies by people who write in. The site is highly censored and anyone who posts against numerology or date setting does not have their emails published. Yet any false prophet using numerology or sets dates for the rapture (even after proving themselves to be false prophets) continually has their false prophecies and date settings published. When their dates fail, instead of apologizing and repenting of their sin, they conjure up more false dates and bring reproach to the True Believers who are faithfully watching every day as Messiah Yeshua commanded. The author of the web site does not hold them accountable for their false prophecies or false rapture date predictions (which they claim G-d gave them)
Be warned by what Messiah Yeshua said:
Matthew 24
11 And many false prophets shall arise, and shall lead many astray.
This warning must be read and taken as a warning to ALL that call them self a Christian or follower of Messiah Yeshua:
Matthew 7
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
When Messiah Yeshua said this, the only part of the bible that was written was the Tanach. So obviously doing the will of the Father (ie: G-d) was to obey His Word - the Tanach. Those who 'work iniquity' are the law breakers who do not obey G-d.
There are false prophets who claim they can figure out the day of the rapture in spite of the fact Messiah Yeshua (Jesus) said we could not:
Matthew 24
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no one, not even the angels of heaven, neither the Son, but the Father only.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not on what day your Lord cometh.
There is one web site that calls itself "five doves" (a replacement of the Holy Spirit which is also referred to as a Dove???) and they REPEATEDLY post false prophecies by people who write in. The site is highly censored and anyone who posts against numerology or date setting does not have their emails published. Yet any false prophet using numerology or sets dates for the rapture (even after proving themselves to be false prophets) continually has their false prophecies and date settings published. When their dates fail, instead of apologizing and repenting of their sin, they conjure up more false dates and bring reproach to the True Believers who are faithfully watching every day as Messiah Yeshua commanded. The author of the web site does not hold them accountable for their false prophecies or false rapture date predictions (which they claim G-d gave them)
Be warned by what Messiah Yeshua said:
Matthew 24
11 And many false prophets shall arise, and shall lead many astray.
This warning must be read and taken as a warning to ALL that call them self a Christian or follower of Messiah Yeshua:
Matthew 7
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
When Messiah Yeshua said this, the only part of the bible that was written was the Tanach. So obviously doing the will of the Father (ie: G-d) was to obey His Word - the Tanach. Those who 'work iniquity' are the law breakers who do not obey G-d.
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