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first - baptists are not Christians. Some in the baptist cult may be but that is in spite of their cult, not because of it.
baptists claim all you do is need to "accept Jesus as Savior" and then you are saved no matter what. They do not teach He needs to be the Lord of their lives - because "if you have to obeyHim, that is works and we are "saved by grace" alone". I grew up in the baptist cult and it is filled with (unrepentant) fornicators, adulterers, homosexuals, thieves, psycopaths, etc. They teach you can continue to live in a sinful lifestyle since you are "saved no matter what" and they ignore what the bible REALLY teaches - even messiah Yshua's own words which SHOULD be a wakeup warning to everyone who claims to be a Christian:
Matthew 7
21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord!' will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, only those who do what my Father in heaven wants.
22 On that Day, many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord! Didn't we prophesy in your name? Didn't we expel demons in your name? Didn't we perform many miracles in your name?'
23 Then I will tell them to their faces, 'I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!'
According to Messiah Yeshua (Jesus) you need to obey God and His law otherwise you are lawless and He will reject you.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2010/mikec227-3.htm
Mike Curtiss (27 Feb 2010)
"40,000 Haitians profess faith in Christ since Jan. 12 quake"
40,000 Haitians profess faith in Christ since Jan. 12 quake
Baptist Press ^ Feb 25, 2010 Barbara Denman
PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti (BP)--A reported 40,127 Haitians have made professions of faith in Jesus Christ since a major earthquake hit the impoverished nation in January, according to pastors and directors of missions within the Confraternite Missionaire Baptiste d'Haiti (CMBH).
"Haiti is ripe for a spiritual movement from God," said Craig Culbreth, director of the Florida Baptist Convention's partnership missions department, which coordinates the work of the CMBH, upon his Feb. 22 return from Port-au-Prince.
During a Feb. 16-17 citywide holiday observance in Cap Haitien, Haiti's second largest city, Culbreth saw "thousands upon thousands filling the streets where people are seeking God and asking Him to spare them from what happened in Port-au-Prince. For me, it was a New Testament expression of what it looks like when the Spirit of God shows up. I have never seen anything like it."
The CMBH is the Florida Baptist Convention-funded partnership of nearly 900 Haitian Baptist churches throughout Haiti. Through the partnership the Florida convention employs seven indigenous missionaries in six regions.
Since the earthquake, the CMBH pastors have distributed 51 tons of rice, which provided 437,750 servings to Haitians in Port-au-Prince and outlying areas where refugees have fled. Additional feedings are expected.
During the week of Feb. 16-22, Culbreth was on his third trip to Haiti since the earthquake to determine how Florida and Southern Baptists could reach beyond Port-au-Prince and meet needs of refugees who left the capital city.
Together, he and Dennis Wilbanks, an associate in partnership missions, have visited five of the six associations, conferring and praying with the directors of missions and Haitian pastors in the associations.
Culbreth compared the window of opportunity where the people are hungry for the Gospel to the United States after 9/11 when hundreds flocked to churches.
He cited recent events in many of the 110 churches in the Port-au-Prince area where throngs of people have been seeking spiritual guidance in church meetings, which have been held outdoors because Haitians feared to enter buildings. Church leaders have reported 28,000 salvations in the Ouest (Port-au-Prince) association.
Many conversions took place during the three days of prayer and fasting called for by the Haitian government Feb. 12-14, Culbreth said.
"People were in the streets, literally begging God for forgiveness and mercy," said Wilbanks, who was in Port-au-Prince at the time.
Professions of faith also have been reported by Florida and Southern Baptist medical and disaster relief teams as volunteers shared the Gospel.
The upsurge in the reported conversions appears to fulfill a pre-earthquake vision by Louis LaBranche, CMBH director of ministry.
"Pastor LaBranche said he had a vision of God telling him that 1.5 million Haitians will be saved in the next five years. He believes it and so do I," Culbreth said.
Culbreth traveled to Leogane, the epicenter of the earthquake which is located 18 miles west of the Haitian capital.
"Reports said that 90 percent of the buildings have been destroyed, but I did not see a house that was not damaged. The roads are buckled and people are pouring out in the streets," he said.
Culbreth was in Port-au-Prince during the 4.7 magnitude aftershock Feb. 22, and he said Haitians continue to live in fear for their lives.
The next three months will be crucial to reaping a spiritual harvest in Haiti, Culbreth said. CMBH leaders are planning 14 area-wide crusades, including two each in five associations and four in Port-au-Prince. The Florida Baptist Convention has authorized $53,000 to purchase Bibles and tracts and to rent sound equipment for the Haitian leaders.
"This is their dream and vision," Culbreth said. "They are making the plans. We are only providing funding to make it happen."
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Exposing false prophets and false prophecies of those who call themselves Christians
Saturday, February 27, 2010
False prophet Kelly Herman makes up false prophecies to tickle the ears of her listeners
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One mark of a false prophet is that they will say what their followers want to hear (tickle their ears) without any basis for believing what they say to be true.
Based on a supposed angel visitation many years ago to a person named Vincent Tan (which may have been demonic or may be yet another made up fairy tale by false prophet Jim Bramlett who told this tale to promote his books) that gave $2.34 change to someone, false prophet Kelly Herman decided that it meant the rapture would be in 2010 because the year this country became a nation, subtracting the current year from it, gives the number 234.
Neither God nor an angel told her to do this - although a demon may have.
2 Timothy 4
1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2010/kellyh227-2.htm
Kelly Herman (27 Feb 2010)
"Independence Day and Vincent TanE"
I have found something rather intriguing. While doing research on a whole different matter, I stumbled upon an article about our Independence celebration July 4, 1776 from Great Britain. I had an idea to subtract the current year from the actual year of this initial independence celebration to see how long it has been. 2010 minus 1776 = 234
Could this be a confirmation of the angel giving Vincent Tan $2.34 cents and quoting from Scripture about the return of Our Lord? It could be....
Looking up and loving the learning process! Kelly Herman
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One mark of a false prophet is that they will say what their followers want to hear (tickle their ears) without any basis for believing what they say to be true.
Based on a supposed angel visitation many years ago to a person named Vincent Tan (which may have been demonic or may be yet another made up fairy tale by false prophet Jim Bramlett who told this tale to promote his books) that gave $2.34 change to someone, false prophet Kelly Herman decided that it meant the rapture would be in 2010 because the year this country became a nation, subtracting the current year from it, gives the number 234.
Neither God nor an angel told her to do this - although a demon may have.
2 Timothy 4
1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2010/kellyh227-2.htm
Kelly Herman (27 Feb 2010)
"Independence Day and Vincent TanE"
I have found something rather intriguing. While doing research on a whole different matter, I stumbled upon an article about our Independence celebration July 4, 1776 from Great Britain. I had an idea to subtract the current year from the actual year of this initial independence celebration to see how long it has been. 2010 minus 1776 = 234
Could this be a confirmation of the angel giving Vincent Tan $2.34 cents and quoting from Scripture about the return of Our Lord? It could be....
Looking up and loving the learning process! Kelly Herman
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Tuesday, February 16, 2010
False prophet Mariel ("Rowina") sees no problem with following after false "gods"
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God clearly stated that sometimes the prophecies of false prophets comes to pass to test the people to see whether they will follow after the false "gods" of the false prophets. False prophet Mariel ("Rowina" sees no problem with using the demon apparition to intercede with the false "jesus"
Deuteronomy 13
1 "If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder,
2 and the sign or the wonder comes true, concerning which he spoke to you, saying, ' Let us go after other gods (whom you have not known) and let us serve them,'
3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams; for the LORD your God is testing you to find out if you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
4 " You shall follow the LORD your God and fear Him; and you shall keep His commandments, listen to His voice, serve Him, and cling to Him.
False prophet Mariel ("Rowina") prays to mary if she seeks her intercession - whether she admits it or not. She also seems to think leading people to worhip a false "god" is not bad fruit. Scripture says we are to test a spirit on if it says Messiah Yeshua came in the flesh and we are to test people on whether their fruit is good or bad.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2010/rowina216-2.htm
Rowina (16 Feb 2010)
"Question about "Falling feathers""
To Julia and Brenda:
What is the connection of "falling feathers" to what you call the satanic apparitions
of Fatima and the "Spirit of Kundalini"? I have heard about the gold dust and other
manifestations, but not about feathers, and I am wondering about these.
I am puzzled about calling Fatima "satanic". For this reason: what negative fruit was produced by Fatima? We are to discern the spirits by their fruit.
I have read the prophecies of Fatima, and although I don't know if they are true or
will be true (the fulfillment of these seems not to have fully manifested), they seem
in line with Protestant revelations of the end times.
I do not pray to Mary, and I suppose it could be considered satanic to have an organization, such as the Fatima supporters, which encourages prayer to her. On the other hand, I do not think seeking her prayer to Jesus is wrong. Yes, they have something of a cult going here!
And of course the "church fathers", including Popes and cardinals, have wrangled endlessly
about the Fatima letters of Sister Lucy, with collusion to commit fraud brought in accusation
against some churchmen. It is a nasty mess, basically, the part the hierarchy has played
in the Fatima story. The three young children who say they saw Mary may have been more
innocent and truthful than the churchmen.
The Spirit of Kundalini is a very strange phrase. I do not associate it with Fatima. All who
participated in the apparitions, and all supporters of this "cult" would abhor the Spirit of
Kundalini. This Spirit of Kundalini is a very strange phrase which has grown up because
people are becoming aware that Kundalini Yoga can unleash bodily and spiritual imbalances.
On this I am an expert, as I once did Kundalini Yoga and paid for it with imbalances, from which
I was graciously rescued.
Anyway, tell me about the feathers, please?
Mariel
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God clearly stated that sometimes the prophecies of false prophets comes to pass to test the people to see whether they will follow after the false "gods" of the false prophets. False prophet Mariel ("Rowina" sees no problem with using the demon apparition to intercede with the false "jesus"
Deuteronomy 13
1 "If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder,
2 and the sign or the wonder comes true, concerning which he spoke to you, saying, ' Let us go after other gods (whom you have not known) and let us serve them,'
3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams; for the LORD your God is testing you to find out if you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
4 " You shall follow the LORD your God and fear Him; and you shall keep His commandments, listen to His voice, serve Him, and cling to Him.
False prophet Mariel ("Rowina") prays to mary if she seeks her intercession - whether she admits it or not. She also seems to think leading people to worhip a false "god" is not bad fruit. Scripture says we are to test a spirit on if it says Messiah Yeshua came in the flesh and we are to test people on whether their fruit is good or bad.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2010/rowina216-2.htm
Rowina (16 Feb 2010)
"Question about "Falling feathers""
To Julia and Brenda:
What is the connection of "falling feathers" to what you call the satanic apparitions
of Fatima and the "Spirit of Kundalini"? I have heard about the gold dust and other
manifestations, but not about feathers, and I am wondering about these.
I am puzzled about calling Fatima "satanic". For this reason: what negative fruit was produced by Fatima? We are to discern the spirits by their fruit.
I have read the prophecies of Fatima, and although I don't know if they are true or
will be true (the fulfillment of these seems not to have fully manifested), they seem
in line with Protestant revelations of the end times.
I do not pray to Mary, and I suppose it could be considered satanic to have an organization, such as the Fatima supporters, which encourages prayer to her. On the other hand, I do not think seeking her prayer to Jesus is wrong. Yes, they have something of a cult going here!
And of course the "church fathers", including Popes and cardinals, have wrangled endlessly
about the Fatima letters of Sister Lucy, with collusion to commit fraud brought in accusation
against some churchmen. It is a nasty mess, basically, the part the hierarchy has played
in the Fatima story. The three young children who say they saw Mary may have been more
innocent and truthful than the churchmen.
The Spirit of Kundalini is a very strange phrase. I do not associate it with Fatima. All who
participated in the apparitions, and all supporters of this "cult" would abhor the Spirit of
Kundalini. This Spirit of Kundalini is a very strange phrase which has grown up because
people are becoming aware that Kundalini Yoga can unleash bodily and spiritual imbalances.
On this I am an expert, as I once did Kundalini Yoga and paid for it with imbalances, from which
I was graciously rescued.
Anyway, tell me about the feathers, please?
Mariel
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Brenda Robinson wins the award for the most wackiest posts
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Congratulations to Brenda Robinson for getting so many wacky made up posts on the five demons ("doves") web site.
She will be posting some even funnier ones in the upcoming days. It's so sad they are taken so seriously with no discernment.
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Congratulations to Brenda Robinson for getting so many wacky made up posts on the five demons ("doves") web site.
She will be posting some even funnier ones in the upcoming days. It's so sad they are taken so seriously with no discernment.
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False prophet Bill Salus and false prophet Gary Fisher misapply facts to their false teachings to make it appear they are prophets
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I guess anything to sell books or gain a following. False prophet Bill Salus apparently has a false prophet radio program that his followers listen to. He had another false prophet on his show which claimed "Ezekiels birds are gathering in Israel" to make it appear the battle of gog-magog is near (where the birds will eat all of the carcasses) While the battle may be near, it is extremely dishonest using the birds gathering in Israel as a proof of this.
The fact that false prophet Bill Salus and his guest false prophet Gary Fisher leave out is that Israel is on the route of bird migration and over 500 MILLION birds pass through Israel EVERY spring and fall ( http://www.israbirding.com/ )
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2010/bills216.htm
Bill Salus (16 Feb 2010)
"EZEKIEL'S Birds Gather for Gog of Magog Meal! - Prophecy Update Radio"
Ezekiel's Birds Gather for Gog of Magog Meal!
This week on Prophecy Update Radio, host Bill Salus interviews end times expert and evangelist, Gary Fisher. Gary is the founder of Lion of Judah Ministries and has discovered some interesting insights in the book of Ezekiel. Gary recently visited Israel and says he witnessed firsthand, the gathering of the birds described in Ezekiel 39:17-20.
Ezekiel predicted 2500 years ago that Russia and Iran would lead a 9 member strong confederacy into the Holy Land to invade Israel. Iran has just become a "nuclear state" and Iranian President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, has publicly declared his intentions to wipe Israel off of the map.
This coupled with ever strengthening Russian and Iranian national relations has eschatologists thinking this invasion will soon occur. These invaders will be divinely destroyed and the Ezekiel birds will partake in what the prophet declares will be a “sacrificial meal”.
In this timely interview, Bill and Gary sort through and properly align the prophecies described in Ezekiel’s chapters 36-39. Convincingly, they illustrate that the stage is clearly set for MIDEAST EVENTS TO ERUPT EXTREMELY SOON!
Listen Now to this insightful interview
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I guess anything to sell books or gain a following. False prophet Bill Salus apparently has a false prophet radio program that his followers listen to. He had another false prophet on his show which claimed "Ezekiels birds are gathering in Israel" to make it appear the battle of gog-magog is near (where the birds will eat all of the carcasses) While the battle may be near, it is extremely dishonest using the birds gathering in Israel as a proof of this.
The fact that false prophet Bill Salus and his guest false prophet Gary Fisher leave out is that Israel is on the route of bird migration and over 500 MILLION birds pass through Israel EVERY spring and fall ( http://www.israbirding.com/ )
Israel is situated at an intercontinental junction- a bottleneck for migration routes. An estimated 500 million (!!) birds pass through every spring and autumn, with 530 species in record. This website features Israel's latest birding news.Why are these false prophets using a regular event and making it appear it is a sign of bible prophecy is coming to pass??? They are trying to sensationalize events in order to sell books / tapes / etc. and gain a following.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2010/bills216.htm
Bill Salus (16 Feb 2010)
"EZEKIEL'S Birds Gather for Gog of Magog Meal! - Prophecy Update Radio"
Ezekiel's Birds Gather for Gog of Magog Meal!
This week on Prophecy Update Radio, host Bill Salus interviews end times expert and evangelist, Gary Fisher. Gary is the founder of Lion of Judah Ministries and has discovered some interesting insights in the book of Ezekiel. Gary recently visited Israel and says he witnessed firsthand, the gathering of the birds described in Ezekiel 39:17-20.
Ezekiel predicted 2500 years ago that Russia and Iran would lead a 9 member strong confederacy into the Holy Land to invade Israel. Iran has just become a "nuclear state" and Iranian President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, has publicly declared his intentions to wipe Israel off of the map.
This coupled with ever strengthening Russian and Iranian national relations has eschatologists thinking this invasion will soon occur. These invaders will be divinely destroyed and the Ezekiel birds will partake in what the prophet declares will be a “sacrificial meal”.
In this timely interview, Bill and Gary sort through and properly align the prophecies described in Ezekiel’s chapters 36-39. Convincingly, they illustrate that the stage is clearly set for MIDEAST EVENTS TO ERUPT EXTREMELY SOON!
Listen Now to this insightful interview
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Saturday, February 13, 2010
False prophet Brenda Robinson claims the "bible codes" are "from God" - even when they are wrong and justifies their inaccuracy
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This one really takes the cake. False prophet Brenda Robinson is claiming the bible codes are "from God" and justifies their inaccuracy by stating "Codes are not set in stone - and dates are not always accurate because God does what He wants to with space and time."
If the codes were from God (they are not) then He would know what He was going to do in the future to the exact second and day and would have put the correct dates in any "codes" and they would be 100% accurate just as the prophecies in the Tanakh ("Old Testament") are. God gave the exact day the Second Temple will be rebuilt and the exact date Messiah Yeshua would ride into Jerusalem on a donkey hundreds of years in advance, so obviously He would put the exact dates in any "bible code" if they were from Him. God does NOT lie as false prophet Brenda Robinson claims. Since God knows all of history in advance, He did not need to encode dates if He was going to change His mind about the timing.
This one really takes the cake. False prophet Brenda Robinson is claiming the bible codes are "from God" and justifies their inaccuracy by stating "Codes are not set in stone - and dates are not always accurate because God does what He wants to with space and time."
If the codes were from God (they are not) then He would know what He was going to do in the future to the exact second and day and would have put the correct dates in any "codes" and they would be 100% accurate just as the prophecies in the Tanakh ("Old Testament") are. God gave the exact day the Second Temple will be rebuilt and the exact date Messiah Yeshua would ride into Jerusalem on a donkey hundreds of years in advance, so obviously He would put the exact dates in any "bible code" if they were from Him. God does NOT lie as false prophet Brenda Robinson claims. Since God knows all of history in advance, He did not need to encode dates if He was going to change His mind about the timing.
Doesn't ANYONE else see anything wrong with the teaching of false prophet Brenda Robinson???
If some of the codes are lies as false prophet Brenda Robinson admits, why accept any as being truth and accept them as being "from God" ??? Maybe the codes have been "dismissed by so many Christians" because they are demonic lies and some people have at least a little discernment to know if a prophecy is a partial lie then it is not from God.
Apparently false prophet Brenda Robinson has an ego problem as well - claiming the false prophets of the five demons ("doves") web site are "brilliant minds"
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2010/brendar212-1.htm
Brenda Robinson (12 Feb 2010)
"Randy - 70 Weeks"
Thanks Randy for your input on 70 weeks. This portion of the Word has been dissected in so many different ways. I believe your version has great merit.
I keep coming back to the BIble Codes that have been dismissed by so many Christians.
Codes are not set in stone - and dates are not always accurate because God does what He wants to with space and time.
However, there are many codes that I keep going back to:
2006 - The Beginning of the End
2012 - Extinction
Over and over and over the Codes indicate the "heat of the battle" is between these two dates. And it appears to be "heating up" that way. When I look at current events and how "the happenings" all appear to be pointing their way to Revelation, things don't seem to "fit" with so many of the explanations already given.
Your version makes a lot of sense.
May the Lord keep expanding our understanding of the times. I am so thankful to John to allow us to do so (the only place where so many brilliant minds can come together with the Holy Spirit to figure it out!)
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Wednesday, February 10, 2010
Demon possessed false prophet Lora Shipley intentionally twists scripture to fit her demonic false prophecies
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False prophet Lora Shipley twists scripture to fit her demonic prophecies and then accuses those who accept what Messiah Yeshua clearly teaches as "misquoting scripture". She also goes on to accuse those who are not date setting / watching as being "one of the five foolish virgins" - news to false prophet Lora Shipley: The five wise are those who are watching for Messiah Yeshua each and every day - the five foolish are those who are date setting and go off to try and buy their salvation and stating Messiah Yeshua cannot return until the date they conger up.
False prophet Lora Shipley has so many doctrinal errors / demonic teachings in her current post it would take a month to point all of them out.
Messiah Yeshua said we are to "Keep watch" because we do NOT know the day or hour of His return". He instructed us to continually watch for Him - not to guess at dates He is to return and watch for the date. Yet false prophet Lora Shipley says she DOES know the day AND a "six hour time frame" (but conveniently state which time zone)
Just because one does not accept false prophet Lora Shipley's demonic date setting scam does not mean they are not watching for Messiah Yeshua's imminent return each and every day and each and every hour and each of every minute of that day.
Matthew 24
42 "Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.
And even in the parable of the five virgins, the five wise did not know the exact time otherwise they would have been awake and not asleep:
Matthew 25
1"At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. 4The wise, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. 5The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.
6"At midnight the cry rang out: 'Here's the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!'
7"Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. 8The foolish ones said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.'
9" 'No,' they replied, 'there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.'
10"But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.
11"Later the others also came. 'Sir! Sir!' they said. 'Open the door for us!'
12"But he replied, 'I tell you the truth, I don't know you.'
13"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.
Note that the five foolish thought they were believers and were watching - yet Messiah yeshua rejected them - which He also states in Matthew 7:
Matthew 7
21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
Hosea 6:2 is not speaking of the rapture. Itis stating after two days (two thousand years) God will restore fellowship with mankind through the sacrifice / resurection of Messiah Yeshua
Hosea 6
2 After two days he will revive us;
on the third day he will restore us,
that we may live in his presence.
2 Peter 3
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
The false prophets / teachers will be held accountable for their false teachings and scripture twisting. False prophet Lora Shipley is sure maligning the truth!
2 Peter 2
1 But among the people there were also false prophets, just as there will be false teachers among you. Under false pretenses they will introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, and thus bring on themselves swift destruction.
2 Many will follow their debaucheries; and because of them, the true Way will be maligned.
3 In their greed they will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their punishment, decreed long ago, is not idle; their destruction is not asleep!
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2010/loras210.htm
Lora Shipley (10 Feb 2010)
"CLUE #11 RAPTURE TIME FRAME-WHICH DAY? FIRSTFRUITS! Which Hour? 6 hours?"
CLUE #11 WHICH DAY? FIRSTFRUITS!
Feast of Firstfruits is Clue #11
Which Hour? Midnight till Morning, 6 hours
Church Misquotes, “no man knows the day or hour”
1 Cor. 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
PREVIOUS CLUES 1-10 CLICK HERE
Summary at a glance: THE FIRST COMING WAS PROPHISED TO THE VERY DAY- JESUS says this - 42Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, Luke19:42 In other words, hey guys, you couldn’t discern the signs and wonders, the many clues to look for in prophecy concerning me, but you should at least know the day….. Daniel 9 gives the prophecy to the very day, why were you not counting the days until my coming? (Daniel 9 countdown at the bottom of page)
His return for the bride offers us clues to look for too: The “third day” he will raise us up and we shall live in his sight.” The “third day” is The First day of the Feast of Weeks- Firstfruits, this is the very day Jesus rose from the dead. The scriptures confirm that we “will follow after him every man in his own order”. 1 Cor.15:23. We are to literally know the day, which is just that “the day” he comes for us. Not the week, month or year, but THE DAY! We are not to know the hour. Jesus in Mathew, Mark and Luke, gave us three time frames to look for him, a period of 6 hours, between midnight and morning, there is an actual blessing given to those who will be awake during the 2nd and 3rd watch of the night. How much detail do we need? Here is the day, Feast of Firstfruits, now here is the 6 hour time frame, midnight to morning! The church has so grossly misquote the” no man knows the day and hours” so many times it has become almost church doctrine. This is an inaccurate quote, and refers to the day and hour Heaven and Earth pass away, not the time of the rapture. It is the evil servants, the foolish virgin who will not be looking and not know the time of his return. There are enough clues in the scripture, to his coming of the bride, the first one and the most obvious of all is in front of us, staring us right in the face; Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Christ is the FIRSTFRUITS AND AFTEWARD THEY ARE AT HIS COMING! He rose on the third day which was firstfruits and we too will be raised up on “the third day and live in his sight”. Jesus held them accountable for his first coming, Daniel 9, he will hold us accountable to knowing for the day of return. So much so that there is a crown given for those who look for his coming!
Key points we will have established in this study:
· ESTABLISHED: FIRSFRUIT IS THE THIRD DAY
· ESTABLISHED:THE THIRD DAY HE WILL RAISE US UP
· ESTABLISHED: FIRSTFUITS WILL FOLLOW AFTER THE ORDER OF CHRIST
· ESTABLISHED: WE ARE TO KNOW THE DAY
· ESTABLISHED: WE ARE TO NOT KNOW THE HOUR
· ESTABLISHED: WE ARE TO WATCH IN A 6 HOUR TIME FRAME
· ESTABLISHED HIS FIRST COMING TO THE VERY DAY. DANIEL 9.
· ETABLISHED: CHURCH HAS MISQUOTED NO MAN KNOWS THE DAY OR HOUR
· ESTABLISHED 10 OTHER CLUES THAT POINT TO FIRSTFRUITS AS BEING THE DAY.( see top of page to link for other studies)
FEAST OF FIRSTFRUITS IS THE DAY, WE WILL NOT KNOW THE HOUR
Have things ever been so obvious to you that it is right in front of you and yet you are still blind to it? I believe this is the case concerning the church about the day of the catching away, the rapture of the bride. The day is so obvious it is staring at us right in the face, he has given us so many clues, and being the sheep we just get all skittish about looking for a particular day. In this study we will look at the text and discover how literal it actually is.
The church and the body have told us this, “well no one knows the day or the hour”. They have misquoted this scripture so many times that it has become church doctrine. But, we are to know the day, not the hour, we are stay awake in that day, and not fall asleep in that hour The hour spoken of by Christ is a literally 6 hour time frame. We have studied now 10 clues to why the rapture/catching away of the Bride will happen between Firstfruits and Pentecost. A Period of 50 Days. The last study Clue #10 we learned that he will come to us in the Month 1, during the Feast of Weeks, March and April. Hosea From this clue we can pin point a day, the very day. He tells us with this marvelous clue in Hosea 6:2-3 2After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. 3Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.
Feast of Firstfruit is the day! This day rings more true and clear then any other day mentioned in the word. in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. Hos. 6:2
1. ESTABLISHED: Feast of Firstfruits is the day Jesus rose –Acts 20:10 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
2. ESTABLISHED: Feast of Firstfruits is the “third day”- Hosea 6:2 2After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
3. ESTABLISHED: Jesus is the Firstfruits from the dead- 1 Cor 15:20But now is Christ risen from the dead, [and] become the firstfruits of them that slept.
4. ESTABLISHED: We are to be firstfruits too and will follow him everyone in there own order- 1 Cor. 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
5. ESTABLISHED FIRST FRUIT WILL GO BEFOR THE ALTER OF GOD: The first of the firstfruits shall be brought into the house of the Lord thy God- Ex 23:19 The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring into the house of the LORD thy God.
6. ESTABLISHED FIRSTFRUIT WILL NOT GO THROUGH TRIBULATION IN REVELATIONS 3 :10The firstfruit will not have to go through the tribulation- Rev. 3 10Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. The Firstfruits shall be offered unto the Lord and shall not be burnt on the alter -Lev 2:12As for the oblation of the firstfruits, ye shall offer them unto the LORD: but they shall not be burnt on the altar for a sweet savour.
7. ESTABLISHED FIRSTFRUIT IS THE DESIRED FRUIT BY MAN IN THE TRIBULATION: During the tribulation man’s soul will have longed to be a firstfruit: Micah 7:1Woe is me! for I am as when they have gathered the summer fruits, as the grapegleanings of the vintage: [there is] no cluster to eat: my soul desired the firstripe fruit.
A GROSE MISUNDERSTANDING BY THE CHURCH TO THE ” DAY AND THE HOUR”
35Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. Mathew 24: 35-36
The church has misquoted this scripture” no man knows the day or the hour” so many times that they do not really know what it means, and has not read the other scripture in context. The day and the hour that no man knoweth- is when heaven and Earth pass away. Mathew 24:35-36Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
· NO MAN KNOWETH WHEN HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS AWAY: 31Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. 32But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
The evil servant will not know the day and the hour
· Mathew 24:48But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; 49And shall begin to smite his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; 50The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, 51And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
· Luke 12:39And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through. 40Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour (literal time period in a day) when ye think not.
Look for the key words- WHAT HOUR??-WHAT WATCH??
42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. 43But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 44Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. 45Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? 46Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 47Verily I say unto you, that he shall make him ruler over all his goods
* We will not know the hour
* We should know what watch- The second or third watch? A clue? Perhaps
* He will come in an hour we think not, 3 am, 4 am? 5 am?
* WHAT IS DEFINED AS AN HOUR A WATCH?
The STONGS CONCORDENCE HEBREW/GREEK OF WATCH AND HOUR
STRONGS HOUR-G5610 1) a certain definite time or season fixed by natural law and returning with the revolving year
a) of the seasons of the year, spring, summer, autumn, winter
2) the daytime (bounded by the rising and setting of the sun), a day
3) a twelfth part of the day-time, an hour, (the twelve hours of the day are reckoned from the rising to the setting of the sun)
4) any definite time, point of time, moment
STRONGS-WATCH-G5442
d) of the time (of night) during which guard was kept, a watch i.e. a period of time during which part of the guard was on duty, and at the end of which others relieved them. As the earlier Greeks divided the night commonly into three parts, so, previous to the exile, the Israelites also had three watches in a night; subsequently, however, after they became subject to the Romans, they adopted the Roman custom of dividing the night into four watches
WHAT WATCH and WHAT HOUR? PIN POINT ACCURACY- The scriptures is not just talking about what year, what season or even what month, but what day! We just do not know the hour or but we know it is in the early hour watch midnight to morning. DO YOU NEED MORE SCRIPURE TO BACK THIS UP?
Mark 13:35Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
THE TIME GIVEN IS A PERIOD OF 6 HOURS Midnight, cockcrowing or morning? This is know man knows the hour, or what time of the watch, a period of 6 hours. In Mathew, Mark and Luke all scriptures refer to the hour, but the text refers to the evil servant not knowing the day or the hour “shall come in a day when he looketh not for him,” Is there a day we are to look for him? Do we have more scriptures to witness to the day or to the hour?
More scriptural references: Luke 12:37-40: 37Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them. 38And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants. 39And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through. 40Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not. Not a day but a pin point hour- between midnight-morning or the WATCH-was known as 3 different watches in the night.
LUKE 12 ANOTHER CONFIRMING WITNESS: 46The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
· He is warning the Goodman of the house if HE DOES NOT WATCH…..He will come in a day and an hour the servant is not looking for him. THE DAY AND THE HOUR ARE SPECIFIC…NOT THE YEAR OR THE SEASON, OR MONTH BUT DAY AND HOUR- SPECIFIC!
THE DAY AND THE HOUR: Are we to look for “the day” and in “that day” be watchful of the hour? We are not to sleep in “that day” during the hour of the watch or the day of when between midnight and morning. (Mk 13:35) Is there more supporting scripture on this? Yes! There is a blessing if he finds them watching at a certain time.
JESUS gets VERY SPECIFIC about not just a day but a certain time frame in the day. The second or third watch Luke 12:38And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants. A blessing is given if the servants are watching in the second and third watch. I am reminded of the disciples who slept through many important events, the mount of Transfiguration, in the Garden of Gethsemane. Let us not sleep in that important hour of his coming! Let us watch in the midnight, when the cock crows, and in the morning!
ARE TO KNOW “THE DAY” OF HIS COMING? YES!- Luke 12:38 THE BEST SUPPORTING SCRIPTURE WE HAVE FOR US is TOO KNOW THE DAY OF HIS COMING, NOT THE HOUR OR THE WATCH….. BUT THE DAY…. (We have a clue for those who are blessed for watching in the 2nd and 3rd watch of the morning.)
HISTORY SUPPORTS “THE DAY” THAT SUPPORTS “A DAY ”
· JESUS RODE INTO JERUSALEM ON A DONKEY, WE CALL IT PALM SUNDAY, THIS WAS HIS DAY HIS HOUR OF HIS PRESENTATION AS LORD, IT WAS PROPHICIED IN DANIEL 9
· Many worshiped him as king on that day. This was his day and hour.
· It was expected of the Jews to have known this day and hour of his presentation.
· Because they were not ready he held them accountable
· Will we be looking for him on the day and hour he presents himself to the bride?
· WHAT DID WE LEARN FROM HIS FIRST COMING Luke 19:40:41 He wept over them and held them accountable for knowing the day of his visitation- (This was what we call Palm Sunday) it was prophesied to the very day in Daniel 9- see the math at the bottom of the page. A time line was established and expected!
Luke 19-44 38Saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest. 39And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples. 40And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out( this was an apponted day Dan 9!). 41And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it, 42Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, ( he is saying you did not recoginize the propecies concerning me, but you did not even count the days)the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.(because you did not know they are hid from you) 43For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side, 44And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.
JESUS HELD THEM ACCOUNTALBLE FOR KNOWING AT LEAST THE DAY!!!! THE SCRIPTURES GIVE US MANY EVIDENCES TO THE DAY WE SHOULD KNOW, AND THE HOUR WE SHOULD WATCH AND BE AWAKE FOR. THIS IS A LITERAL DAY AND WATCH, MIDNIGHT TO MORNING. THE EVIDENCE TO BACK THIS UP IS LUKE 19:40-41 THEY DID NOT KNOW THE DAY, HE HELD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.
The church and most Christians have repeated the no man knows the day and hour so much that they believe it and do not search the scriptures for truth themselves, they will be held accountable for their slackness.
Israel became a nation in 1948, we are approaching the final 7 years to complete a 70 year generation.(see Clue #5 David)
THIS SPRING, the Feast of Firstfruits, the first day of the Feast of Weeks, is THE THIRD DAY. This is a day that the bride should be awake, and looking up, midnight to morning. Be the Bride, do not sleep. It may be this spring, the time is close, very close!
BELOW, MAKE SURE YOU CHECK OUT THE MATH ON DANIEL 9
Be blessed in Him!
Lora Jeffries Shipley
Emails welcome:loafofbarley@gmail.com
I have posted the other clues here: www.loafofbarley.webs.com
Sources and notes:
Math on Daniel: http://www.alphanewsdaily.com/mathprophecy1.html
mathematical prophecy
http://www.alphanewsdaily.com/mathprophecy1.html
10th of Nisan ... "Palm Sunday"... 32 A.D.
The Prophecy ... (Daniel 9:24-25)
"He (Messiah ... the King)
will be revealed
7 weeks + 62 weeks ( = 69 weeks of years)
AFTER the commandment to rebuild Jerusalem
and its walls,
THEN He (Messiah) will be CUT-OFF (executed!)
but NOT for Himself." (He willingly died on the Cross for Israel ... and for the whole world.)
(Daniel 9:24-25)
This is a mathematical prophecy . . .
- A week of years (shabua or shabu’im) = 7 years
- "Cut-off". . . the actual Hebrew word used was karath, literally means "executed!"
- The "70th Week" (the last 7 years) of this prophecy is yet future - See the 'Apocalypse.'
God gave the Jews the most sophisticated calendar on Earth. It is both a Lunar and a Solar calendar. The Jewish calendar uses a 360 day lunar (and prophetic) year and then adds a 'Leap Month' on specific years to accurately coincide with the Solar cycle we use on our 'Julian' calendar ...
The Bible uses 360 day years for prophecies and expects us to add the appropriate 'leap months' on schedule. So, the easiest way to unravel this prophecy is to first convert this prophecy into days ...
1. Add 7 + 62 weeks of years = 69 weeks of years in this prophecy
2. Multiply 69 (weeks) x 7 (to get the total number of years in this prophecy) = 483 years
3. Multiply 483 years x 360 (to get the total number of days in this prophecy) = 173,880 days
So, the prophet Daniel, who lived 500 years before Jesus-Yeshua wrote that from the day of the commandment to rebuild Jerusalem and its walls, until the coming Messiah would be 173,880 days!
(Note: This prophecy was also translated from Hebrew into Greek in the Septuagint almost 300 years before Jesus-Yeshua made His prophetic entry into Jerusalem, riding on a donkey.)
To convert the 173,880 days found in this prophecy into our 365.25 day solar years (the .25 adjusts for leap years) . . .
173,880 days ÷ 365.25 (days in a year) = 476 years (our solar 'Julian' calendar)
So, the prophet Daniel told us it would be 476 years from the 'commandment to rebuild Jerusalem and its walls' to the time the Messiah of Israel would first be revealed to the nation and to the world ...
The Commandment ...
This prophecy of the coming Messiah is both remarkable and extremely precise. There were other orders to rebuild the Temple, but, there was only one commandment to restore Jerusalem and its wall. On March 14th, 445 BC, as confirmed by modern archaeology, King Artexerxes I of Persia issued the commandment to rebuild Jerusalem and specifically included its wall (see Nehemiah 2:2-9 ... the book of Nehemiah records this account of rebuilding the city and its wall.)
Prophecy fulfilled ...
Now take the 476 years in this prophecy and simply start counting from March 14, 445 B.C. (when the command to rebuild the city Jerusalem and its wall was given) and you end on the exact year (even the very day) Jesus-Yeshua rode 'triumphantly' into Jerusalem (Palm Sunday), being praised as King and Messiah by thousands upon thousands of the Jewish people who had gathered from all over for the Passover Holidays. Honored, yet lowly, riding on a donkey - exactly as another prophet, the prophet Zechariah, said He would ...
"Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion (Israel)!
Behold, your King (Messiah) is coming to you;
He is just and having salvation,
yet He is lowly and riding on a donkey."
(Zechariah 9:9 ... written around 500 B.C.)
Thus, on the 10th day of Nisan ('Palm Sunday') 32 AD ... 476 years after the command was given to rebuild the city and its wall ... Jesus-Yeshua made His famous triumphal entry into Jerusalem, riding on a donkey. It was the only day that He ever allowed Himself to be honored as Messiah or King (Mark 11:1-12) as the people of Israel cried out and sang "Hosanna to the Son of David (this is a Psalm of the Messiah), blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD!" from Psalm 118 ... (and all this took place just a few days before He was 'executed' exactly as Daniel's prophecy said He would!)
A remarkable prophecy . . . simply count the years!
March 14, 445 B.C. Order is issued to rebuild the wall
to April 6, 32 A.D. 10th of Nisan, 'Palm Sunday' - Jesus welcomed as King and Messiah
= 477 years
- 1 year Subtract one for no "0" A.D. or B.C.
= 476 years Exactly!
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Lora Shipley
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False prophet Lora Shipley twists scripture to fit her demonic prophecies and then accuses those who accept what Messiah Yeshua clearly teaches as "misquoting scripture". She also goes on to accuse those who are not date setting / watching as being "one of the five foolish virgins" - news to false prophet Lora Shipley: The five wise are those who are watching for Messiah Yeshua each and every day - the five foolish are those who are date setting and go off to try and buy their salvation and stating Messiah Yeshua cannot return until the date they conger up.
False prophet Lora Shipley has so many doctrinal errors / demonic teachings in her current post it would take a month to point all of them out.
Messiah Yeshua said we are to "Keep watch" because we do NOT know the day or hour of His return". He instructed us to continually watch for Him - not to guess at dates He is to return and watch for the date. Yet false prophet Lora Shipley says she DOES know the day AND a "six hour time frame" (but conveniently state which time zone)
Just because one does not accept false prophet Lora Shipley's demonic date setting scam does not mean they are not watching for Messiah Yeshua's imminent return each and every day and each and every hour and each of every minute of that day.
Matthew 24
42 "Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.
And even in the parable of the five virgins, the five wise did not know the exact time otherwise they would have been awake and not asleep:
Matthew 25
1"At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. 4The wise, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. 5The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.
6"At midnight the cry rang out: 'Here's the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!'
7"Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. 8The foolish ones said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.'
9" 'No,' they replied, 'there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.'
10"But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.
11"Later the others also came. 'Sir! Sir!' they said. 'Open the door for us!'
12"But he replied, 'I tell you the truth, I don't know you.'
13"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.
Note that the five foolish thought they were believers and were watching - yet Messiah yeshua rejected them - which He also states in Matthew 7:
Matthew 7
21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
Hosea 6:2 is not speaking of the rapture. Itis stating after two days (two thousand years) God will restore fellowship with mankind through the sacrifice / resurection of Messiah Yeshua
Hosea 6
2 After two days he will revive us;
on the third day he will restore us,
that we may live in his presence.
2 Peter 3
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
The false prophets / teachers will be held accountable for their false teachings and scripture twisting. False prophet Lora Shipley is sure maligning the truth!
2 Peter 2
1 But among the people there were also false prophets, just as there will be false teachers among you. Under false pretenses they will introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, and thus bring on themselves swift destruction.
2 Many will follow their debaucheries; and because of them, the true Way will be maligned.
3 In their greed they will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their punishment, decreed long ago, is not idle; their destruction is not asleep!
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2010/loras210.htm
Lora Shipley (10 Feb 2010)
"CLUE #11 RAPTURE TIME FRAME-WHICH DAY? FIRSTFRUITS! Which Hour? 6 hours?"
CLUE #11 WHICH DAY? FIRSTFRUITS!
Feast of Firstfruits is Clue #11
Which Hour? Midnight till Morning, 6 hours
Church Misquotes, “no man knows the day or hour”
1 Cor. 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
PREVIOUS CLUES 1-10 CLICK HERE
Summary at a glance: THE FIRST COMING WAS PROPHISED TO THE VERY DAY- JESUS says this - 42Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, Luke19:42 In other words, hey guys, you couldn’t discern the signs and wonders, the many clues to look for in prophecy concerning me, but you should at least know the day….. Daniel 9 gives the prophecy to the very day, why were you not counting the days until my coming? (Daniel 9 countdown at the bottom of page)
His return for the bride offers us clues to look for too: The “third day” he will raise us up and we shall live in his sight.” The “third day” is The First day of the Feast of Weeks- Firstfruits, this is the very day Jesus rose from the dead. The scriptures confirm that we “will follow after him every man in his own order”. 1 Cor.15:23. We are to literally know the day, which is just that “the day” he comes for us. Not the week, month or year, but THE DAY! We are not to know the hour. Jesus in Mathew, Mark and Luke, gave us three time frames to look for him, a period of 6 hours, between midnight and morning, there is an actual blessing given to those who will be awake during the 2nd and 3rd watch of the night. How much detail do we need? Here is the day, Feast of Firstfruits, now here is the 6 hour time frame, midnight to morning! The church has so grossly misquote the” no man knows the day and hours” so many times it has become almost church doctrine. This is an inaccurate quote, and refers to the day and hour Heaven and Earth pass away, not the time of the rapture. It is the evil servants, the foolish virgin who will not be looking and not know the time of his return. There are enough clues in the scripture, to his coming of the bride, the first one and the most obvious of all is in front of us, staring us right in the face; Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Christ is the FIRSTFRUITS AND AFTEWARD THEY ARE AT HIS COMING! He rose on the third day which was firstfruits and we too will be raised up on “the third day and live in his sight”. Jesus held them accountable for his first coming, Daniel 9, he will hold us accountable to knowing for the day of return. So much so that there is a crown given for those who look for his coming!
Key points we will have established in this study:
· ESTABLISHED: FIRSFRUIT IS THE THIRD DAY
· ESTABLISHED:THE THIRD DAY HE WILL RAISE US UP
· ESTABLISHED: FIRSTFUITS WILL FOLLOW AFTER THE ORDER OF CHRIST
· ESTABLISHED: WE ARE TO KNOW THE DAY
· ESTABLISHED: WE ARE TO NOT KNOW THE HOUR
· ESTABLISHED: WE ARE TO WATCH IN A 6 HOUR TIME FRAME
· ESTABLISHED HIS FIRST COMING TO THE VERY DAY. DANIEL 9.
· ETABLISHED: CHURCH HAS MISQUOTED NO MAN KNOWS THE DAY OR HOUR
· ESTABLISHED 10 OTHER CLUES THAT POINT TO FIRSTFRUITS AS BEING THE DAY.( see top of page to link for other studies)
FEAST OF FIRSTFRUITS IS THE DAY, WE WILL NOT KNOW THE HOUR
Have things ever been so obvious to you that it is right in front of you and yet you are still blind to it? I believe this is the case concerning the church about the day of the catching away, the rapture of the bride. The day is so obvious it is staring at us right in the face, he has given us so many clues, and being the sheep we just get all skittish about looking for a particular day. In this study we will look at the text and discover how literal it actually is.
The church and the body have told us this, “well no one knows the day or the hour”. They have misquoted this scripture so many times that it has become church doctrine. But, we are to know the day, not the hour, we are stay awake in that day, and not fall asleep in that hour The hour spoken of by Christ is a literally 6 hour time frame. We have studied now 10 clues to why the rapture/catching away of the Bride will happen between Firstfruits and Pentecost. A Period of 50 Days. The last study Clue #10 we learned that he will come to us in the Month 1, during the Feast of Weeks, March and April. Hosea From this clue we can pin point a day, the very day. He tells us with this marvelous clue in Hosea 6:2-3 2After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. 3Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.
Feast of Firstfruit is the day! This day rings more true and clear then any other day mentioned in the word. in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. Hos. 6:2
1. ESTABLISHED: Feast of Firstfruits is the day Jesus rose –Acts 20:10 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
2. ESTABLISHED: Feast of Firstfruits is the “third day”- Hosea 6:2 2After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
3. ESTABLISHED: Jesus is the Firstfruits from the dead- 1 Cor 15:20But now is Christ risen from the dead, [and] become the firstfruits of them that slept.
4. ESTABLISHED: We are to be firstfruits too and will follow him everyone in there own order- 1 Cor. 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
5. ESTABLISHED FIRST FRUIT WILL GO BEFOR THE ALTER OF GOD: The first of the firstfruits shall be brought into the house of the Lord thy God- Ex 23:19 The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring into the house of the LORD thy God.
6. ESTABLISHED FIRSTFRUIT WILL NOT GO THROUGH TRIBULATION IN REVELATIONS 3 :10The firstfruit will not have to go through the tribulation- Rev. 3 10Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. The Firstfruits shall be offered unto the Lord and shall not be burnt on the alter -Lev 2:12As for the oblation of the firstfruits, ye shall offer them unto the LORD: but they shall not be burnt on the altar for a sweet savour.
7. ESTABLISHED FIRSTFRUIT IS THE DESIRED FRUIT BY MAN IN THE TRIBULATION: During the tribulation man’s soul will have longed to be a firstfruit: Micah 7:1Woe is me! for I am as when they have gathered the summer fruits, as the grapegleanings of the vintage: [there is] no cluster to eat: my soul desired the firstripe fruit.
A GROSE MISUNDERSTANDING BY THE CHURCH TO THE ” DAY AND THE HOUR”
35Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. Mathew 24: 35-36
The church has misquoted this scripture” no man knows the day or the hour” so many times that they do not really know what it means, and has not read the other scripture in context. The day and the hour that no man knoweth- is when heaven and Earth pass away. Mathew 24:35-36Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
· NO MAN KNOWETH WHEN HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS AWAY: 31Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. 32But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
The evil servant will not know the day and the hour
· Mathew 24:48But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; 49And shall begin to smite his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; 50The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, 51And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
· Luke 12:39And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through. 40Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour (literal time period in a day) when ye think not.
Look for the key words- WHAT HOUR??-WHAT WATCH??
42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. 43But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 44Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. 45Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? 46Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 47Verily I say unto you, that he shall make him ruler over all his goods
* We will not know the hour
* We should know what watch- The second or third watch? A clue? Perhaps
* He will come in an hour we think not, 3 am, 4 am? 5 am?
* WHAT IS DEFINED AS AN HOUR A WATCH?
The STONGS CONCORDENCE HEBREW/GREEK OF WATCH AND HOUR
STRONGS HOUR-G5610 1) a certain definite time or season fixed by natural law and returning with the revolving year
a) of the seasons of the year, spring, summer, autumn, winter
2) the daytime (bounded by the rising and setting of the sun), a day
3) a twelfth part of the day-time, an hour, (the twelve hours of the day are reckoned from the rising to the setting of the sun)
4) any definite time, point of time, moment
STRONGS-WATCH-G5442
d) of the time (of night) during which guard was kept, a watch i.e. a period of time during which part of the guard was on duty, and at the end of which others relieved them. As the earlier Greeks divided the night commonly into three parts, so, previous to the exile, the Israelites also had three watches in a night; subsequently, however, after they became subject to the Romans, they adopted the Roman custom of dividing the night into four watches
WHAT WATCH and WHAT HOUR? PIN POINT ACCURACY- The scriptures is not just talking about what year, what season or even what month, but what day! We just do not know the hour or but we know it is in the early hour watch midnight to morning. DO YOU NEED MORE SCRIPURE TO BACK THIS UP?
Mark 13:35Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
THE TIME GIVEN IS A PERIOD OF 6 HOURS Midnight, cockcrowing or morning? This is know man knows the hour, or what time of the watch, a period of 6 hours. In Mathew, Mark and Luke all scriptures refer to the hour, but the text refers to the evil servant not knowing the day or the hour “shall come in a day when he looketh not for him,” Is there a day we are to look for him? Do we have more scriptures to witness to the day or to the hour?
More scriptural references: Luke 12:37-40: 37Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them. 38And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants. 39And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through. 40Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not. Not a day but a pin point hour- between midnight-morning or the WATCH-was known as 3 different watches in the night.
LUKE 12 ANOTHER CONFIRMING WITNESS: 46The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
· He is warning the Goodman of the house if HE DOES NOT WATCH…..He will come in a day and an hour the servant is not looking for him. THE DAY AND THE HOUR ARE SPECIFIC…NOT THE YEAR OR THE SEASON, OR MONTH BUT DAY AND HOUR- SPECIFIC!
THE DAY AND THE HOUR: Are we to look for “the day” and in “that day” be watchful of the hour? We are not to sleep in “that day” during the hour of the watch or the day of when between midnight and morning. (Mk 13:35) Is there more supporting scripture on this? Yes! There is a blessing if he finds them watching at a certain time.
JESUS gets VERY SPECIFIC about not just a day but a certain time frame in the day. The second or third watch Luke 12:38And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants. A blessing is given if the servants are watching in the second and third watch. I am reminded of the disciples who slept through many important events, the mount of Transfiguration, in the Garden of Gethsemane. Let us not sleep in that important hour of his coming! Let us watch in the midnight, when the cock crows, and in the morning!
ARE TO KNOW “THE DAY” OF HIS COMING? YES!- Luke 12:38 THE BEST SUPPORTING SCRIPTURE WE HAVE FOR US is TOO KNOW THE DAY OF HIS COMING, NOT THE HOUR OR THE WATCH….. BUT THE DAY…. (We have a clue for those who are blessed for watching in the 2nd and 3rd watch of the morning.)
HISTORY SUPPORTS “THE DAY” THAT SUPPORTS “A DAY ”
· JESUS RODE INTO JERUSALEM ON A DONKEY, WE CALL IT PALM SUNDAY, THIS WAS HIS DAY HIS HOUR OF HIS PRESENTATION AS LORD, IT WAS PROPHICIED IN DANIEL 9
· Many worshiped him as king on that day. This was his day and hour.
· It was expected of the Jews to have known this day and hour of his presentation.
· Because they were not ready he held them accountable
· Will we be looking for him on the day and hour he presents himself to the bride?
· WHAT DID WE LEARN FROM HIS FIRST COMING Luke 19:40:41 He wept over them and held them accountable for knowing the day of his visitation- (This was what we call Palm Sunday) it was prophesied to the very day in Daniel 9- see the math at the bottom of the page. A time line was established and expected!
Luke 19-44 38Saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest. 39And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples. 40And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out( this was an apponted day Dan 9!). 41And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it, 42Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, ( he is saying you did not recoginize the propecies concerning me, but you did not even count the days)the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.(because you did not know they are hid from you) 43For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side, 44And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.
JESUS HELD THEM ACCOUNTALBLE FOR KNOWING AT LEAST THE DAY!!!! THE SCRIPTURES GIVE US MANY EVIDENCES TO THE DAY WE SHOULD KNOW, AND THE HOUR WE SHOULD WATCH AND BE AWAKE FOR. THIS IS A LITERAL DAY AND WATCH, MIDNIGHT TO MORNING. THE EVIDENCE TO BACK THIS UP IS LUKE 19:40-41 THEY DID NOT KNOW THE DAY, HE HELD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.
The church and most Christians have repeated the no man knows the day and hour so much that they believe it and do not search the scriptures for truth themselves, they will be held accountable for their slackness.
Israel became a nation in 1948, we are approaching the final 7 years to complete a 70 year generation.(see Clue #5 David)
THIS SPRING, the Feast of Firstfruits, the first day of the Feast of Weeks, is THE THIRD DAY. This is a day that the bride should be awake, and looking up, midnight to morning. Be the Bride, do not sleep. It may be this spring, the time is close, very close!
BELOW, MAKE SURE YOU CHECK OUT THE MATH ON DANIEL 9
Be blessed in Him!
Lora Jeffries Shipley
Emails welcome:loafofbarley@gmail.com
I have posted the other clues here: www.loafofbarley.webs.com
Sources and notes:
Math on Daniel: http://www.alphanewsdaily.com/mathprophecy1.html
mathematical prophecy
http://www.alphanewsdaily.com/mathprophecy1.html
10th of Nisan ... "Palm Sunday"... 32 A.D.
The Prophecy ... (Daniel 9:24-25)
"He (Messiah ... the King)
will be revealed
7 weeks + 62 weeks ( = 69 weeks of years)
AFTER the commandment to rebuild Jerusalem
and its walls,
THEN He (Messiah) will be CUT-OFF (executed!)
but NOT for Himself." (He willingly died on the Cross for Israel ... and for the whole world.)
(Daniel 9:24-25)
This is a mathematical prophecy . . .
- A week of years (shabua or shabu’im) = 7 years
- "Cut-off". . . the actual Hebrew word used was karath, literally means "executed!"
- The "70th Week" (the last 7 years) of this prophecy is yet future - See the 'Apocalypse.'
God gave the Jews the most sophisticated calendar on Earth. It is both a Lunar and a Solar calendar. The Jewish calendar uses a 360 day lunar (and prophetic) year and then adds a 'Leap Month' on specific years to accurately coincide with the Solar cycle we use on our 'Julian' calendar ...
The Bible uses 360 day years for prophecies and expects us to add the appropriate 'leap months' on schedule. So, the easiest way to unravel this prophecy is to first convert this prophecy into days ...
1. Add 7 + 62 weeks of years = 69 weeks of years in this prophecy
2. Multiply 69 (weeks) x 7 (to get the total number of years in this prophecy) = 483 years
3. Multiply 483 years x 360 (to get the total number of days in this prophecy) = 173,880 days
So, the prophet Daniel, who lived 500 years before Jesus-Yeshua wrote that from the day of the commandment to rebuild Jerusalem and its walls, until the coming Messiah would be 173,880 days!
(Note: This prophecy was also translated from Hebrew into Greek in the Septuagint almost 300 years before Jesus-Yeshua made His prophetic entry into Jerusalem, riding on a donkey.)
To convert the 173,880 days found in this prophecy into our 365.25 day solar years (the .25 adjusts for leap years) . . .
173,880 days ÷ 365.25 (days in a year) = 476 years (our solar 'Julian' calendar)
So, the prophet Daniel told us it would be 476 years from the 'commandment to rebuild Jerusalem and its walls' to the time the Messiah of Israel would first be revealed to the nation and to the world ...
The Commandment ...
This prophecy of the coming Messiah is both remarkable and extremely precise. There were other orders to rebuild the Temple, but, there was only one commandment to restore Jerusalem and its wall. On March 14th, 445 BC, as confirmed by modern archaeology, King Artexerxes I of Persia issued the commandment to rebuild Jerusalem and specifically included its wall (see Nehemiah 2:2-9 ... the book of Nehemiah records this account of rebuilding the city and its wall.)
Prophecy fulfilled ...
Now take the 476 years in this prophecy and simply start counting from March 14, 445 B.C. (when the command to rebuild the city Jerusalem and its wall was given) and you end on the exact year (even the very day) Jesus-Yeshua rode 'triumphantly' into Jerusalem (Palm Sunday), being praised as King and Messiah by thousands upon thousands of the Jewish people who had gathered from all over for the Passover Holidays. Honored, yet lowly, riding on a donkey - exactly as another prophet, the prophet Zechariah, said He would ...
"Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion (Israel)!
Behold, your King (Messiah) is coming to you;
He is just and having salvation,
yet He is lowly and riding on a donkey."
(Zechariah 9:9 ... written around 500 B.C.)
Thus, on the 10th day of Nisan ('Palm Sunday') 32 AD ... 476 years after the command was given to rebuild the city and its wall ... Jesus-Yeshua made His famous triumphal entry into Jerusalem, riding on a donkey. It was the only day that He ever allowed Himself to be honored as Messiah or King (Mark 11:1-12) as the people of Israel cried out and sang "Hosanna to the Son of David (this is a Psalm of the Messiah), blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD!" from Psalm 118 ... (and all this took place just a few days before He was 'executed' exactly as Daniel's prophecy said He would!)
A remarkable prophecy . . . simply count the years!
March 14, 445 B.C. Order is issued to rebuild the wall
to April 6, 32 A.D. 10th of Nisan, 'Palm Sunday' - Jesus welcomed as King and Messiah
= 477 years
- 1 year Subtract one for no "0" A.D. or B.C.
= 476 years Exactly!
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Lora Shipley
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Monday, February 8, 2010
False prophet Lora Shipley calls God a liar
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Messiah Yeshua (Jesus) says we are to 'keep watch' because we do not know the day or the hour He will return for us (the rapture) He tells us to continually watch - not set dates and times as the wicked and disobedient false prophets do.
False prophet Lora Shipley makes up definitions and then uses scripture to back her faulty and unbiblical definitions / conclusions.
Nowhere does the scripture use 'latter rain' to deine or describe the rapture as false prophet Lora Shipley claims.
I have never seen such scripture twisting and redefining scripture from any one false prophet until I read the teaching of false prophet Lora Shipley. What part of 'keep watch because you do not know when your Lord will return' does false prophet Lora Shipley not understand???
Matthew 24
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not on what day your Lord cometh. 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known in what watch the thief was coming, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken through. 44 Therefore be ye also ready; for in an hour that ye think not the Son of man cometh.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2010/loras28.htm
Lora Shipley (8 Feb 2010)
"CLUE # 10 HE WILL COME UNTO US IN THE SPRING, MONTH 1, IN THE FEAST OF WEEKS"
CLUE # 10 HE WILL COME UNTO US IN THE SPRING
AS THE LATTER RAIN IN
MONTH 1 (Nissan)
AND WE WILL LIVE IN HIS SIGHT
“and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month.” Joel 2:23
Previous 9 clues click here to read:
Over the last week I have presented many clues to the rapture of the first fruits bride between Feast of Firstfruits and Pentecost which is also known as the Feast of Weeks and The Counting of the Omer. Based on this study I believe the scriptures offer proof that he will come to us, and we will be raised on the" third day", and live in his sight,in the spring, Month 1 (Nissan) during the Feast of Weeks.
Summary at a glance: If you just read this little summary you are going to be missing out on so much! The third day is Firstfruits, he will raise us up on the third day and we will live in his sight. The third day is confirmed by the month, Nisan, and the Latter rain which means Spring rain. A third confirming scripture to HE SHALL COME TO US is in Jer. 5:24, this verse confirms his coming in the Feast of weeks. The latter rain is part of his coming; His coming will bring forth the latter rain. The Bride will be apart of the latter rain because they are the firstfruits as Jesus was a firstfruit. Songs 1: 8 confirms that the Bride will walk in the footsteps of the flock and feed the sheep. Perhaps it will be the same time frame/blueprint set by Jesus when he walked the Earth and showed himself to many for a period of 40 days.
See the study- Clue 7 part 1 and Part 2 for the Blueprint for the Bride. HIS COMING FORTH TO GATHER THE BRIDE WILL BRING THE LATTER RAIN!
TIMING OF HIS COMING ESTABLISHED:
Three Scripture References to His Coming in the Spring!
1. Timing of his coming established :Month 1 Nissan-Joel 2:23
2. Timing of his coming established :March and April-Hosea 6:3
3. Timing of his coming established Feast of Weeks-Jer. 5:24
DAY HE SHALL COME: “HE SHALL COME TO US…….”HOSEA 6:3
WHEN SHALL HE COME TO US?
1. Hosea 6:2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight
2. What day is the third day? Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; Acts 10:40 Jesus was the fruitfruit from the dead he was raised up on the “third day”The Bride should look at the “third day” as a blue print plan for her to be raised up/caught up/raptured on. Jesus was the Firstfruit from the dead; the scriptures refer to his bride as being a Firstfruit. Hosea 6:2 confirms that we will follow the three day footsteps or blue print set by Jesus. After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. Now that we have the third day established in Hosea 6:2 lets examine Hosea 6:3.
3. THE THIRD DAY AS THE ESTABLISHED DAY: HE SHALL COME UNTO US ON THE THIRD DAY AND WE SHALL LIVE IN HIS SITE, (Hosea 6:2)- THE “THIRD DAY” IS WHEN HE SHALL COME TO US.
QUESTION: How do we know what day “third day” Hosea is talking about?
· The day Jesus was raised the third day
· The latter rain- “Third Day? Hosea 6: 3 continued ……He shall come to us in the “latter rain” which is in the Spring- March or April: Hosea 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth
LETS BREAK DOWN THIS SCRIPTURE AND EXAMINE IT: Hosea 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow= (pursue, run after, chase, aim secure) on to know the LORD: his going forth= (Rising (sun), going forth of a command) is prepared =(firmly established) as the morning= (dawn); and he shall come= (to lead in, to carry in, to bring in, cause to come in, gather, cause to come, bring near,) unto us as the rain=(shower), as the latter =(latter rain, spring rain the March and April rains) and former rain =(instruct teach) unto the earth
THE LATTER RAIN IS THE MARCH AND APRIL RAIN- Strongs: H4456 latter rain, spring rain) the March and April rains which mature the crops of Palestine IT IS REFERED HIS COMING FORTH WILL BRING IT!!!!
THE EARLY RAIN IS WHEN HE TAUGHT US- Strongs: H3844 (early) rain (TWOT) teacher
TIMING ESTABLISHED! HIS COMING FORTH WILL BE IN THE SPRING- APRIL OR MARCH-
SUMMARY OF THE VERSE: If we pursue, run after and make it our aim to secure and know the lord, he will go forth with a command, like the rising of the sun, which is prepared and firmly established as the dawn of the morning; and He shall come, lead, cause to come and carry and bring us near as a shower. His bringing forth and coming will cause the spring rain in March and April; the former rain was to instruct and to teach unto the Earth. His coming forth will be in the spring.
His coming will be like the rain, it will water the Earth, the church, life will spring forth and grow the harvest, and the fruit will be sweet and beautiful and ready to pick at harvest time. (Make sure you read the conclusion at the bottom of the page)
· Recap- Again…..THE LATTER RAIN IS THE MARCH AND APRIL RAIN- Strongs: H4456 latter rain, spring rain) the March and April rains which mature the crops of Palestine
· THE EARLY RAIN IS WHEN HE TAUGHT US- Strongs: H3844 (early) rain (TWOT) teacher
2nd SUPPORTING SCRIPTURE: JOEL 2:23- THE LATTER RAIN WILL COME IN THE FIRST MONTH- NISSAN! 23Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month. Joel 2:23
MONTH 1 (NISSAN) ESTABLISHED FOR HIS COMING (His Coming Hosea 6:2-3)
· THE FORMER RAIN WAS GIVEN TO US MODERATELY 23Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month. Joel 2:23
· Jesus came to us with humility and meekness and his first coming was moderately compared to his coming forth with the latter rain
· The former was his first coming which taught and instructed
· His coming will bring forth a shower of rain in the spring that will not be moderate, but powerful.
· THE FORMER AND THE LATTER RAIN WILL COME DOWN IN THE FIRST MONTH (Month 1 is Nissan) Jesus is the former rain- Teaching, instructing, he the former rain IS WHEN JESUS CAME THE FIRST TIME TEACHING, will come again as the latter rain IS HIS coming forth is in the Month 1, Nissan.
3RD SUPPORTING SCRIPTURE: Jer. 5:24 THE LATTER RAIN IS THE APPOINTED WEEKS OF THE HARVEST – THE FEAST OF WEEKS!24Neither say they in their heart, Let us now fear the LORD our God ,that giveth rain, both the former and the latter, in his season: he reserveth unto us the appointed weeks of the harvest. Jer 5:24
· Weeks= shabwa is Feast of Weeks
· VERSE BROKEN DOWN:24Neither say they in their heart, Let us now fear the LORD our God, that giveth rain (showers), both the former (teach and instruct) and the latter (spring rain), in his season (time or and event): he reserveth (to watch, guard, keep, wait with purpose, observe, celebrate and protect) unto us the appointed (statute, ordinance, limit, enactment, prescribed,) weeks ( Feast of Weeks- the counting of the Omer- Feast of Firstfruits to Pentecost 50 days) of the harvest. (Harvested to reap) Jer. 5:24
· Summary of Verse: they do not say in their heart, let us now fear the LORD, our God has given us rain in both the former when he came to teach and the latter when he comes to gather and pour out in the spring, which is HIS season of a time, of an event that he reserves, we are to watch to wait with purpose, observe, celebrate and protect, unto us the appointed ordinance that is prescribed Feast of Weeks of the harvest that will be gathered, reaped.
SEASON CONFIRMED: Jer. 5:24 confirms Hosea 6:2-3 in which the season of his coming in the spring at an appointed time for the gathering during the Feast of Weeks. We are told to watch and wait with purpose and celebrate this time!
MARCH APRIL, MONTH 1, FEAST OF WEEKS CONFIRMED: Joel, Jeremiah and Hosea are all confirming scriptures to the coming of Christ in the Spring, Nisan (Month 1) and the Feast of Weeks.
THIS IS NOW THE 10TH CLUE CONFIRMING THE SEASON, MONTH AND FEAST!
CONCLUSION: The evidence is becoming insurmountable, his coming, his calling forth of the bride will be during the spring, March/April, in Month 1 ( Nisan). The rapture or catching away of the bride will be on the “third day” which is the Feast of Firstfruits, the day after Passover, and the First day of the Counting of the Omer. Hosea 6:2 confirms the “third day he will raise us up and we will live in his sight.” The latter rain is his coming forth to call His Bride up, his coming forth and calling up is also going to bring the rain. The bride of Christ will follow a similar path a blueprint set by Jesus. The bride will live in his sight on the third day but will also show themselves too many, possibly for40 days as Jesus did after his resurrection and ascension to the Father. (See the study on the Blueprint set for the Bride, Clue 7 part 2.) The glorified Firstfruit bride will be ministering the gospel to family, friends, and others during this time, possibly 40 days as Jesus showed himself too many,Songs 1:7-8. The ministry of the bride would be similar to the steps of Jesus, in that the bride will appear to many, teaching and tending the sheep as Jesus did during his 40 days prior to his ascension 7 days before Pentecost. Jesus appeared too many with a glorified body; the same will be for the bride, perhaps, cook, give Bible studies, encourage. Perhaps the bride will show up in a room, in cars, maybe an airplane, without opening a door, this would shake those up around her, those left behind, the remaining left behind church who was not repentant (See Rev 2-3). The left behind will mourn and cry out that they were not the bride. The left behind will desire too seek after Him with all there heart. The unbelieving husband may believe when his wife and child came back to minister to him with a glorified body. The possibilities are endless! THIS IS THE LATTER RAIN that will spring forth with his coming! The latter rain could be the beginning of this period of 40 days, or more. The number 40 is a number associated with a time of trial. This would be the chance for the unbeliever to believe and experience the outpouring like the Church of Acts did which was moderate compared to what will come with his coming forth in the latter rain and raising up the bride on the “third day”. Jesus was caught up into the clouds 7 days prior to Pentecost. The Bride could and most likely, based on the blueprint set by Jesus as a Firstfruit, be caught back up to Heaven for the Marriage Supper of the Lamb on Pentecost day 50, the last day of the Feast of Weeks. 50 Means consummation and is the number liked to a wedding. The Jews celebrate Pentecost more like a wedding then any other Feast. The latter Rain would be that, the coming of Jesus, the Bride Firstfruits following in his footsteps. In Songs 1:8 the bride is working closely with the groom as he feeds his sheep. The latter rain will bring a rain to water the seed to have it grow and produce fruit to be harvested when it becomes ripe and tender.
TO GOD BE THE GLORY! BE THE BRIDE OF CHRIST!
Lora Jeffries Shipley
Emails welcome:
loafofbarley@gmail.com
STRONGS REFERENCES :Reserveth: ) to keep, guard, observe, give heeda) (Qal)1) to keep, have charge of2) to keep, guard, keep watch and ward, protect, save lifea) watch, watchman (participle)3) to watch for, wait for 4) to watch, observe 5) to keep, retain, treasure up (in memory) 6) to keep (within bounds), restrain 7) to observe, celebrate, keep (sabbath or covenant or commands), perform (vow)8) to keep, preserve, protect WEEKS- STRONGS- H76210 seven, period of seven (days or years), heptad, weeka) period of seven days, a week 1) Feast of Weeks b) heptad, seven (of years) ) HARVEST= crop, what is harvested or reaped
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Messiah Yeshua (Jesus) says we are to 'keep watch' because we do not know the day or the hour He will return for us (the rapture) He tells us to continually watch - not set dates and times as the wicked and disobedient false prophets do.
False prophet Lora Shipley makes up definitions and then uses scripture to back her faulty and unbiblical definitions / conclusions.
Nowhere does the scripture use 'latter rain' to deine or describe the rapture as false prophet Lora Shipley claims.
I have never seen such scripture twisting and redefining scripture from any one false prophet until I read the teaching of false prophet Lora Shipley. What part of 'keep watch because you do not know when your Lord will return' does false prophet Lora Shipley not understand???
Matthew 24
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not on what day your Lord cometh. 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known in what watch the thief was coming, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken through. 44 Therefore be ye also ready; for in an hour that ye think not the Son of man cometh.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2010/loras28.htm
Lora Shipley (8 Feb 2010)
"CLUE # 10 HE WILL COME UNTO US IN THE SPRING, MONTH 1, IN THE FEAST OF WEEKS"
CLUE # 10 HE WILL COME UNTO US IN THE SPRING
AS THE LATTER RAIN IN
MONTH 1 (Nissan)
AND WE WILL LIVE IN HIS SIGHT
“and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month.” Joel 2:23
Previous 9 clues click here to read:
Over the last week I have presented many clues to the rapture of the first fruits bride between Feast of Firstfruits and Pentecost which is also known as the Feast of Weeks and The Counting of the Omer. Based on this study I believe the scriptures offer proof that he will come to us, and we will be raised on the" third day", and live in his sight,in the spring, Month 1 (Nissan) during the Feast of Weeks.
Summary at a glance: If you just read this little summary you are going to be missing out on so much! The third day is Firstfruits, he will raise us up on the third day and we will live in his sight. The third day is confirmed by the month, Nisan, and the Latter rain which means Spring rain. A third confirming scripture to HE SHALL COME TO US is in Jer. 5:24, this verse confirms his coming in the Feast of weeks. The latter rain is part of his coming; His coming will bring forth the latter rain. The Bride will be apart of the latter rain because they are the firstfruits as Jesus was a firstfruit. Songs 1: 8 confirms that the Bride will walk in the footsteps of the flock and feed the sheep. Perhaps it will be the same time frame/blueprint set by Jesus when he walked the Earth and showed himself to many for a period of 40 days.
See the study- Clue 7 part 1 and Part 2 for the Blueprint for the Bride. HIS COMING FORTH TO GATHER THE BRIDE WILL BRING THE LATTER RAIN!
TIMING OF HIS COMING ESTABLISHED:
Three Scripture References to His Coming in the Spring!
1. Timing of his coming established :Month 1 Nissan-Joel 2:23
2. Timing of his coming established :March and April-Hosea 6:3
3. Timing of his coming established Feast of Weeks-Jer. 5:24
DAY HE SHALL COME: “HE SHALL COME TO US…….”HOSEA 6:3
WHEN SHALL HE COME TO US?
1. Hosea 6:2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight
2. What day is the third day? Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; Acts 10:40 Jesus was the fruitfruit from the dead he was raised up on the “third day”The Bride should look at the “third day” as a blue print plan for her to be raised up/caught up/raptured on. Jesus was the Firstfruit from the dead; the scriptures refer to his bride as being a Firstfruit. Hosea 6:2 confirms that we will follow the three day footsteps or blue print set by Jesus. After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. Now that we have the third day established in Hosea 6:2 lets examine Hosea 6:3.
3. THE THIRD DAY AS THE ESTABLISHED DAY: HE SHALL COME UNTO US ON THE THIRD DAY AND WE SHALL LIVE IN HIS SITE, (Hosea 6:2)- THE “THIRD DAY” IS WHEN HE SHALL COME TO US.
QUESTION: How do we know what day “third day” Hosea is talking about?
· The day Jesus was raised the third day
· The latter rain- “Third Day? Hosea 6: 3 continued ……He shall come to us in the “latter rain” which is in the Spring- March or April: Hosea 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth
LETS BREAK DOWN THIS SCRIPTURE AND EXAMINE IT: Hosea 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow= (pursue, run after, chase, aim secure) on to know the LORD: his going forth= (Rising (sun), going forth of a command) is prepared =(firmly established) as the morning= (dawn); and he shall come= (to lead in, to carry in, to bring in, cause to come in, gather, cause to come, bring near,) unto us as the rain=(shower), as the latter =(latter rain, spring rain the March and April rains) and former rain =(instruct teach) unto the earth
THE LATTER RAIN IS THE MARCH AND APRIL RAIN- Strongs: H4456 latter rain, spring rain) the March and April rains which mature the crops of Palestine IT IS REFERED HIS COMING FORTH WILL BRING IT!!!!
THE EARLY RAIN IS WHEN HE TAUGHT US- Strongs: H3844 (early) rain (TWOT) teacher
TIMING ESTABLISHED! HIS COMING FORTH WILL BE IN THE SPRING- APRIL OR MARCH-
SUMMARY OF THE VERSE: If we pursue, run after and make it our aim to secure and know the lord, he will go forth with a command, like the rising of the sun, which is prepared and firmly established as the dawn of the morning; and He shall come, lead, cause to come and carry and bring us near as a shower. His bringing forth and coming will cause the spring rain in March and April; the former rain was to instruct and to teach unto the Earth. His coming forth will be in the spring.
His coming will be like the rain, it will water the Earth, the church, life will spring forth and grow the harvest, and the fruit will be sweet and beautiful and ready to pick at harvest time. (Make sure you read the conclusion at the bottom of the page)
· Recap- Again…..THE LATTER RAIN IS THE MARCH AND APRIL RAIN- Strongs: H4456 latter rain, spring rain) the March and April rains which mature the crops of Palestine
· THE EARLY RAIN IS WHEN HE TAUGHT US- Strongs: H3844 (early) rain (TWOT) teacher
2nd SUPPORTING SCRIPTURE: JOEL 2:23- THE LATTER RAIN WILL COME IN THE FIRST MONTH- NISSAN! 23Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month. Joel 2:23
MONTH 1 (NISSAN) ESTABLISHED FOR HIS COMING (His Coming Hosea 6:2-3)
· THE FORMER RAIN WAS GIVEN TO US MODERATELY 23Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month. Joel 2:23
· Jesus came to us with humility and meekness and his first coming was moderately compared to his coming forth with the latter rain
· The former was his first coming which taught and instructed
· His coming will bring forth a shower of rain in the spring that will not be moderate, but powerful.
· THE FORMER AND THE LATTER RAIN WILL COME DOWN IN THE FIRST MONTH (Month 1 is Nissan) Jesus is the former rain- Teaching, instructing, he the former rain IS WHEN JESUS CAME THE FIRST TIME TEACHING, will come again as the latter rain IS HIS coming forth is in the Month 1, Nissan.
3RD SUPPORTING SCRIPTURE: Jer. 5:24 THE LATTER RAIN IS THE APPOINTED WEEKS OF THE HARVEST – THE FEAST OF WEEKS!24Neither say they in their heart, Let us now fear the LORD our God ,that giveth rain, both the former and the latter, in his season: he reserveth unto us the appointed weeks of the harvest. Jer 5:24
· Weeks= shabwa is Feast of Weeks
· VERSE BROKEN DOWN:24Neither say they in their heart, Let us now fear the LORD our God, that giveth rain (showers), both the former (teach and instruct) and the latter (spring rain), in his season (time or and event): he reserveth (to watch, guard, keep, wait with purpose, observe, celebrate and protect) unto us the appointed (statute, ordinance, limit, enactment, prescribed,) weeks ( Feast of Weeks- the counting of the Omer- Feast of Firstfruits to Pentecost 50 days) of the harvest. (Harvested to reap) Jer. 5:24
· Summary of Verse: they do not say in their heart, let us now fear the LORD, our God has given us rain in both the former when he came to teach and the latter when he comes to gather and pour out in the spring, which is HIS season of a time, of an event that he reserves, we are to watch to wait with purpose, observe, celebrate and protect, unto us the appointed ordinance that is prescribed Feast of Weeks of the harvest that will be gathered, reaped.
SEASON CONFIRMED: Jer. 5:24 confirms Hosea 6:2-3 in which the season of his coming in the spring at an appointed time for the gathering during the Feast of Weeks. We are told to watch and wait with purpose and celebrate this time!
MARCH APRIL, MONTH 1, FEAST OF WEEKS CONFIRMED: Joel, Jeremiah and Hosea are all confirming scriptures to the coming of Christ in the Spring, Nisan (Month 1) and the Feast of Weeks.
THIS IS NOW THE 10TH CLUE CONFIRMING THE SEASON, MONTH AND FEAST!
CONCLUSION: The evidence is becoming insurmountable, his coming, his calling forth of the bride will be during the spring, March/April, in Month 1 ( Nisan). The rapture or catching away of the bride will be on the “third day” which is the Feast of Firstfruits, the day after Passover, and the First day of the Counting of the Omer. Hosea 6:2 confirms the “third day he will raise us up and we will live in his sight.” The latter rain is his coming forth to call His Bride up, his coming forth and calling up is also going to bring the rain. The bride of Christ will follow a similar path a blueprint set by Jesus. The bride will live in his sight on the third day but will also show themselves too many, possibly for40 days as Jesus did after his resurrection and ascension to the Father. (See the study on the Blueprint set for the Bride, Clue 7 part 2.) The glorified Firstfruit bride will be ministering the gospel to family, friends, and others during this time, possibly 40 days as Jesus showed himself too many,Songs 1:7-8. The ministry of the bride would be similar to the steps of Jesus, in that the bride will appear to many, teaching and tending the sheep as Jesus did during his 40 days prior to his ascension 7 days before Pentecost. Jesus appeared too many with a glorified body; the same will be for the bride, perhaps, cook, give Bible studies, encourage. Perhaps the bride will show up in a room, in cars, maybe an airplane, without opening a door, this would shake those up around her, those left behind, the remaining left behind church who was not repentant (See Rev 2-3). The left behind will mourn and cry out that they were not the bride. The left behind will desire too seek after Him with all there heart. The unbelieving husband may believe when his wife and child came back to minister to him with a glorified body. The possibilities are endless! THIS IS THE LATTER RAIN that will spring forth with his coming! The latter rain could be the beginning of this period of 40 days, or more. The number 40 is a number associated with a time of trial. This would be the chance for the unbeliever to believe and experience the outpouring like the Church of Acts did which was moderate compared to what will come with his coming forth in the latter rain and raising up the bride on the “third day”. Jesus was caught up into the clouds 7 days prior to Pentecost. The Bride could and most likely, based on the blueprint set by Jesus as a Firstfruit, be caught back up to Heaven for the Marriage Supper of the Lamb on Pentecost day 50, the last day of the Feast of Weeks. 50 Means consummation and is the number liked to a wedding. The Jews celebrate Pentecost more like a wedding then any other Feast. The latter Rain would be that, the coming of Jesus, the Bride Firstfruits following in his footsteps. In Songs 1:8 the bride is working closely with the groom as he feeds his sheep. The latter rain will bring a rain to water the seed to have it grow and produce fruit to be harvested when it becomes ripe and tender.
TO GOD BE THE GLORY! BE THE BRIDE OF CHRIST!
Lora Jeffries Shipley
Emails welcome:
loafofbarley@gmail.com
STRONGS REFERENCES :Reserveth: ) to keep, guard, observe, give heeda) (Qal)1) to keep, have charge of2) to keep, guard, keep watch and ward, protect, save lifea) watch, watchman (participle)3) to watch for, wait for 4) to watch, observe 5) to keep, retain, treasure up (in memory) 6) to keep (within bounds), restrain 7) to observe, celebrate, keep (sabbath or covenant or commands), perform (vow)8) to keep, preserve, protect WEEKS- STRONGS- H76210 seven, period of seven (days or years), heptad, weeka) period of seven days, a week 1) Feast of Weeks b) heptad, seven (of years) ) HARVEST= crop, what is harvested or reaped
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Saturday, February 6, 2010
Narcissist false prophet Mary Anna makes up signs for the rapture
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I can't believe how many narcissistic false prophets believe something that happens to them locally is a "sign of the rapture soon happening" when most other areas are not experiencing that "sign". False prophet Mary Anna is claiming the snow storm in the east coast is "a sign of His Soon Coming" --- maybe the record heat on the west coast is a "sign" the rapture is still years away??? Where in the bible does it say that snow is a sign of Messiah Yeshua's return???
News for this false prophet - the west coast is having record highs, it is summer in the southern hemisphere, and it's 55F in Jerusalem, Israel
Los Angeles, CA: 58F
San Francisco, CA : 58F
Portland, OR : 58F
Seattle, WA: 54F
Vancouver, BC: 53F
Honolulu, HI: 73F
Nuka'Alofa Tonga: 81F
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2010/marya26.htm
Mary Anna (6 Feb 2010)
"Happy Day..."
Colleen, daughter in Maryland called that it's snowing again! Va. son Karl emailed that 'the weatherman seems determined to get us more snow'. To think of the many, many winters there has been no snow in Va., can this not be a sign of His Soon Coming? This is not global warming! Colleen said, 'I'm never going to pray for snow again'! Weatherman said it could get up to 2 ft. deep in Md. If that happens it IS rare indeed.
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I can't believe how many narcissistic false prophets believe something that happens to them locally is a "sign of the rapture soon happening" when most other areas are not experiencing that "sign". False prophet Mary Anna is claiming the snow storm in the east coast is "a sign of His Soon Coming" --- maybe the record heat on the west coast is a "sign" the rapture is still years away??? Where in the bible does it say that snow is a sign of Messiah Yeshua's return???
News for this false prophet - the west coast is having record highs, it is summer in the southern hemisphere, and it's 55F in Jerusalem, Israel
Los Angeles, CA: 58F
San Francisco, CA : 58F
Portland, OR : 58F
Seattle, WA: 54F
Vancouver, BC: 53F
Honolulu, HI: 73F
Nuka'Alofa Tonga: 81F
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2010/marya26.htm
Mary Anna (6 Feb 2010)
"Happy Day..."
Colleen, daughter in Maryland called that it's snowing again! Va. son Karl emailed that 'the weatherman seems determined to get us more snow'. To think of the many, many winters there has been no snow in Va., can this not be a sign of His Soon Coming? This is not global warming! Colleen said, 'I'm never going to pray for snow again'! Weatherman said it could get up to 2 ft. deep in Md. If that happens it IS rare indeed.
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False prophet Bruce Warner is at it again - twisting scripture to prove his false doctrines
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False prophet Bruce Warner teaches this twisted doctrine:
2 Thesselonians
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
And now Daniel 9 which shows the antichrist must be revealed to confirm the seven year covenant which starts the seven year tribulation:
Daniel 9
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
It also needs to be understood the last WEEK is about unsaved Israel and is to deal with them so they will accept Yeshua as their Messiah. This requires that the Restrainer be removed from indwelling of the people and goes back to the same ministry He had before the first Pentocost. The pre tribulation rapture needs to happen before the tribulation since it is the bride's wedding WEEK.
When the rapture happens, false prophet Bruce Warner (and the rest of the false prophets) will either not even notice or they will come up with some explanation why they were left behind.
Finally, why does false prophet Bruce Warner sign his posts "According to Your Word, come Lord Jesus! " if he doesn't believe it will happen for at least 3-1/2 more years???
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2010/brucew26-2.htm
Bruce Warner (6 Feb 2010)
"HERE IS THE KEY TO THE 'TIMING OF THE RAPTURE'"
Dear Doves,
The 'key' to the 'timing of the rapture' is the 'timing' of the anti-Christ's coming into his power in his own time. The two 'timings' are connected to one another because the anti-Christ is restrained, or held back, until the 'rapture' takes the "Restrainer out of the way".
So when is the proper time for the anti-Christ to be allowed to come into power in his own time?
Revelation 13:5
"The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for forty-two months."
These are the last 42 months of the '70th Week of Daniel' just before the 'Second Coming of the Lord'.
Therefore, the proper time for the anti-Christ to come into power in his own time is at the mid-point of the '70th Week of Daniel'.
2 Thessalonians 6-7
"And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way."
Therefore, it IS reasonable to assume that 'the rapture', which removes the 'Restrainer', occurs 'immediately prior' to the anti-Christ coming into power in his own time at the mid-point of the '70th Week of Daniel'.
According to Your Word, come Lord Jesus!
Bruce Warner
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False prophet Bruce Warner teaches this twisted doctrine:
"Therefore, it IS reasonable to assume that 'the rapture', which removes the 'Restrainer', occurs 'immediately prior' to the anti-Christ coming into power in his own time at the mid-point of the '70th Week of Daniel'."Scripture says the antichrist will be REVEALED when the restrainer is taken out of the way - it does NOT say this is when he will come into power at the mid point of the tribulation. Obviously the antichrist is revealed when he confirms the seven year covenant which is what starts the seven year tribulation. Notice that false prophet Bruce Warner leaves out verse eight which makes this perfectly clear:
2 Thesselonians
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
And now Daniel 9 which shows the antichrist must be revealed to confirm the seven year covenant which starts the seven year tribulation:
Daniel 9
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
It also needs to be understood the last WEEK is about unsaved Israel and is to deal with them so they will accept Yeshua as their Messiah. This requires that the Restrainer be removed from indwelling of the people and goes back to the same ministry He had before the first Pentocost. The pre tribulation rapture needs to happen before the tribulation since it is the bride's wedding WEEK.
When the rapture happens, false prophet Bruce Warner (and the rest of the false prophets) will either not even notice or they will come up with some explanation why they were left behind.
Finally, why does false prophet Bruce Warner sign his posts "According to Your Word, come Lord Jesus! " if he doesn't believe it will happen for at least 3-1/2 more years???
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2010/brucew26-2.htm
Bruce Warner (6 Feb 2010)
"HERE IS THE KEY TO THE 'TIMING OF THE RAPTURE'"
Dear Doves,
The 'key' to the 'timing of the rapture' is the 'timing' of the anti-Christ's coming into his power in his own time. The two 'timings' are connected to one another because the anti-Christ is restrained, or held back, until the 'rapture' takes the "Restrainer out of the way".
So when is the proper time for the anti-Christ to be allowed to come into power in his own time?
Revelation 13:5
"The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for forty-two months."
These are the last 42 months of the '70th Week of Daniel' just before the 'Second Coming of the Lord'.
Therefore, the proper time for the anti-Christ to come into power in his own time is at the mid-point of the '70th Week of Daniel'.
2 Thessalonians 6-7
"And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way."
Therefore, it IS reasonable to assume that 'the rapture', which removes the 'Restrainer', occurs 'immediately prior' to the anti-Christ coming into power in his own time at the mid-point of the '70th Week of Daniel'.
According to Your Word, come Lord Jesus!
Bruce Warner
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Friday, February 5, 2010
False prophet Calvin ("CW") - uses astrology to make predictions ("prophecies") - absolutely NO discernment on five demons ("doves") web site
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False prophet Calvin ("CW") continually posts astrology and makes predictions ("prophecies") using the astrology and yet the antichrist ("christian") site five demons ("doves") always posts their astrology predictions and nobody says anything against it.
Once again, this is proof five demons ("doves") is a satanist site and is absolutely NOT Christian.
The rapture will appen very soon - and the five demons ("doves") false prophets will have a valid SOUNDING reason why they are still here - likely they will claim it was a "false rapture", "project bluebeam", or some other unbiblical garbage just like false prophet Calvin ("CW") is claiming "It is QUITE OBVIOUS that the Lord “CHOSE” a certain date for a semeion (a "sign") of Pleiades to appear in ML’s housel!!!!!!!!" to justify his unbilical astrology / divination.
Deuteronomy 18
9 "When you enter the land Adonai your God is giving you, you are not to learn how to follow the abominable practices of those nations.
10 There must not be found among you anyone who makes his son or daughter pass through fire, a diviner, a soothsayer, an enchanter, a sorcerer,
11 a spell-caster, a consulter of ghosts or spirits, or a necromancer.
12 For whoever does these things is detestable to Adonai, and because of these abominations Adonai your God is driving them out ahead of you.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2010/cw25.htm
C.W. (5 Feb 2010)
"The sign of Pleiades in ML's house; Feb., 2010 and Tony E's notes!!!!"
The sign of Pleiades in ML's house; Feb., 2010 and Tony E's notes!!!!
There DOES seem to be a fascination with Occultations ("hidings")
of Pleiades (which means, "the congregation of the judge or ruler").
2010 World Wide Occultations of the Six Brightest Pleiades
http://www.lunar-occultations.com/iota/pleiades/pleiades.htm
It is QUITE OBVIOUS that the Lord “CHOSE” a certain date for a
semeion (a "sign") of Pleiades to appear in ML’s housel!!!!!!!!
From:
ML (6 Oct 2009)
"RE: C.W. The Occultation in Pleiades during Tabernacles."
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2009/ml106.htm
I quote here a portion of my original email sent to Ps . Riley on September 18th, 2008, (3:11AM):-
"...One other thing I wanted to share with you is a vision and a sign starting back in 2006. On September 13th, 2006, I was praying with a sister and I saw a vision of a very large steel gate, like you might see on a castle or fortress. It was exceedingly heavy. As I watched, it came down slowly until it stopped a short space from the ground. It hovered as if suspended for a short space of time, the weight of it being held back for a pause of time. Then suddenly, without warning it crashed down with mighty force.The interpretation of this was given to me as a warning of great judgement preceded by a small but deliberate gap of time. Two days later, on the 15th September, 2006, the Lord gave me a vision over several days. In it He spoke about His soon coming for His Bride and detailed "How" He was going to get His people ready for His Coming. The timing of this seems to make sense to me now as the vision and revelation went from September 15th -18th. Then, exactly one year later, on September 18th, 2007, a 'sign' appeared in my house. It was a semeion of a constellation of stars. In awe, I asked the Lord, "What is that Lord?'' His simple, one word answer was "Pleiades". I knew that the word was in Job but that was all. That began a continuing study on what I could find in the Bible about "The Seven Stars", through which the Lord expanded on what He had told me in the vision a year earlier. The 'sign' in my house appeared fairly frequently at first and then periodically for the next 10 months - the last appearance was on July 20th, 2008."
The date of the “APPEARANCE” of Pleiades was 9/18/07 and, on that
night (9/17-18/06) before this "APPEARANCE", the moon was passing
the star cluster, M 44 (in Cancer), after leaving Gemini, the bride, and
heading for Leo, the Lion of the tribe of Judah. Perhaps there was
"something" about a "44th" president to be noted!?
...II Thessalonians:2 (Amplified Bible)
...3 Let no one deceive or beguile you in any way, FOR THAT DAY WILL NOT
...COME EXCEPT THE APOSTASY COMES FIRST [unless the predicted great
...falling away of those who have professed to be Christians has come], AND
...THE MAN OF LAWLESSNESS (sin) IS REVEALED, who is the son of doom
...(of perdition), 4 WHO OPPOSES AND EXALTS HIMSELF SO PROUDLY
...ANS INSOLENTLY AGAINST AND OVER ALL THAT IS CALLED GOD OR
...THAT IS WORSHIPED, [even to his actually] taking his seat in the temple
...of God, proclaiming that he himself is God.
M44 (Praesepe or Beehive Cluster) in Cancer
http://www.backyard-astro.com/focusonarchive/m44/m44.html
Beehive Cluster
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beehive_Cluster
But, the date of the "APPEARANCE" of Pleiades takes on a GREATER
meaning when you look at February, 2010!!!!! The Occultation of Pleiades
in February will be EXACTLY 888 "inclusive" days from the "APPEARANCE"
of the semeion ("sign") in ML's house where the Lord STRICKTLY told him
the meaning of this appearance - "PLEIADES"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
...From: Tues., Sept. 18, 2007 - a sign of "Pleiades" in ML's house
...To: Sun., Feb. 21, 2010 - Pleiades occulted over Africa***
...It is 887 days (or, inclusively, 888 days)
...888 = the Greek gematria for JESUS
...From: Tues., Sept. 18, 2007 - a sign of "Pleiades" in ML's house
...To: Monday, February 22, 2010 - 2/22
...It is 888 days
...888 = the Greek gematria for JESUS
***21 Feb 10 Occultation of ZC 552 (Alcyone)
http://www.lunar-occultations.com/iota/pleiades/0221zc552.htm
NOW LOOK BELOW AT A NOTE FROM TONY ELLSWORTH THIS AM!!!
BLESSINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Calvin
In a note written to me after I sent him the post, The Super Bowl
(a SEMEION event??) and Pleiades!!!, Tony wrote:
Calvin, good stuff brother. I too look at the Pleiades and my father’s car when I was growing up was a Subaru. I am looking at the Superbowl and February 22nd. I had been out of the country in the military, mostly in the South Pacific. As a citizen, I obtained a passport and took a trip out of the country in February 2000 to Rome to see the Coliseum. I was there 7 days. By the 7th day I became ill to the point of where my breathing was nearly cut off. When I came back to the U.S. they marked my passport departure February 22nd. My passport is expired this year 2010. I’ve always looked at this date. I always have felt I was “thrown down” in Rome. Just after this, on my birthday May 5th 2000 was the planet alignment and the movie Gladiator which came out on May 5th. Remember Maximus was thrown down. A general who became a slave, a slave who became a gladiator, a gladiator who defied the emperor.
Anyway, all significant to me…
Blessings,
Tony
(I wrote back)
Tony:
This is VERY incredible - what you have written!!!!!!!!!
Maybe this IS it!!!!!!!!! Maybe it IS this month, at least!!!!!!!!
The post about 2:22 being seen "4" ("earth; door") years ago makes
a LOT of sense when you ALSO consider the STEEL GATE ("door")
CLOSING and the "Semeion" event mentioned by ML. Of course,
there were "4" years in the Fig Tree Parable (which, personally, I have
believed a LONG time has to do with America)!!!
Your "dates" are VERY incredible!!!!!!!! Of course, your birthday on
May 5, 2000 (the "555" marriage announcement date) coming JUST
AFTER your "near death" in Rome (home of the Gladiators) and the
opening of "The Gladiator" seems MOST prophetic NOW!!!
(7 Oct 2009)
"ML's Steel Gate FALLS!!! [Pleiades (10/7)]"
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2009/cw107.htm
Sherry Yarbrough (23 Feb 2006)
"Seeing 2:22 What is the meaning?"
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2006/sherryy223.htm
THANKS VERY MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Calvin
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False prophet Calvin ("CW") continually posts astrology and makes predictions ("prophecies") using the astrology and yet the antichrist ("christian") site five demons ("doves") always posts their astrology predictions and nobody says anything against it.
Once again, this is proof five demons ("doves") is a satanist site and is absolutely NOT Christian.
The rapture will appen very soon - and the five demons ("doves") false prophets will have a valid SOUNDING reason why they are still here - likely they will claim it was a "false rapture", "project bluebeam", or some other unbiblical garbage just like false prophet Calvin ("CW") is claiming "It is QUITE OBVIOUS that the Lord “CHOSE” a certain date for a semeion (a "sign") of Pleiades to appear in ML’s housel!!!!!!!!" to justify his unbilical astrology / divination.
Deuteronomy 18
9 "When you enter the land Adonai your God is giving you, you are not to learn how to follow the abominable practices of those nations.
10 There must not be found among you anyone who makes his son or daughter pass through fire, a diviner, a soothsayer, an enchanter, a sorcerer,
11 a spell-caster, a consulter of ghosts or spirits, or a necromancer.
12 For whoever does these things is detestable to Adonai, and because of these abominations Adonai your God is driving them out ahead of you.
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2010/cw25.htm
C.W. (5 Feb 2010)
"The sign of Pleiades in ML's house; Feb., 2010 and Tony E's notes!!!!"
The sign of Pleiades in ML's house; Feb., 2010 and Tony E's notes!!!!
There DOES seem to be a fascination with Occultations ("hidings")
of Pleiades (which means, "the congregation of the judge or ruler").
2010 World Wide Occultations of the Six Brightest Pleiades
http://www.lunar-occultations.com/iota/pleiades/pleiades.htm
It is QUITE OBVIOUS that the Lord “CHOSE” a certain date for a
semeion (a "sign") of Pleiades to appear in ML’s housel!!!!!!!!
From:
ML (6 Oct 2009)
"RE: C.W. The Occultation in Pleiades during Tabernacles."
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2009/ml106.htm
I quote here a portion of my original email sent to Ps . Riley on September 18th, 2008, (3:11AM):-
"...One other thing I wanted to share with you is a vision and a sign starting back in 2006. On September 13th, 2006, I was praying with a sister and I saw a vision of a very large steel gate, like you might see on a castle or fortress. It was exceedingly heavy. As I watched, it came down slowly until it stopped a short space from the ground. It hovered as if suspended for a short space of time, the weight of it being held back for a pause of time. Then suddenly, without warning it crashed down with mighty force.The interpretation of this was given to me as a warning of great judgement preceded by a small but deliberate gap of time. Two days later, on the 15th September, 2006, the Lord gave me a vision over several days. In it He spoke about His soon coming for His Bride and detailed "How" He was going to get His people ready for His Coming. The timing of this seems to make sense to me now as the vision and revelation went from September 15th -18th. Then, exactly one year later, on September 18th, 2007, a 'sign' appeared in my house. It was a semeion of a constellation of stars. In awe, I asked the Lord, "What is that Lord?'' His simple, one word answer was "Pleiades". I knew that the word was in Job but that was all. That began a continuing study on what I could find in the Bible about "The Seven Stars", through which the Lord expanded on what He had told me in the vision a year earlier. The 'sign' in my house appeared fairly frequently at first and then periodically for the next 10 months - the last appearance was on July 20th, 2008."
The date of the “APPEARANCE” of Pleiades was 9/18/07 and, on that
night (9/17-18/06) before this "APPEARANCE", the moon was passing
the star cluster, M 44 (in Cancer), after leaving Gemini, the bride, and
heading for Leo, the Lion of the tribe of Judah. Perhaps there was
"something" about a "44th" president to be noted!?
...II Thessalonians:2 (Amplified Bible)
...3 Let no one deceive or beguile you in any way, FOR THAT DAY WILL NOT
...COME EXCEPT THE APOSTASY COMES FIRST [unless the predicted great
...falling away of those who have professed to be Christians has come], AND
...THE MAN OF LAWLESSNESS (sin) IS REVEALED, who is the son of doom
...(of perdition), 4 WHO OPPOSES AND EXALTS HIMSELF SO PROUDLY
...ANS INSOLENTLY AGAINST AND OVER ALL THAT IS CALLED GOD OR
...THAT IS WORSHIPED, [even to his actually] taking his seat in the temple
...of God, proclaiming that he himself is God.
M44 (Praesepe or Beehive Cluster) in Cancer
http://www.backyard-astro.com/focusonarchive/m44/m44.html
Beehive Cluster
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beehive_Cluster
But, the date of the "APPEARANCE" of Pleiades takes on a GREATER
meaning when you look at February, 2010!!!!! The Occultation of Pleiades
in February will be EXACTLY 888 "inclusive" days from the "APPEARANCE"
of the semeion ("sign") in ML's house where the Lord STRICKTLY told him
the meaning of this appearance - "PLEIADES"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
...From: Tues., Sept. 18, 2007 - a sign of "Pleiades" in ML's house
...To: Sun., Feb. 21, 2010 - Pleiades occulted over Africa***
...It is 887 days (or, inclusively, 888 days)
...888 = the Greek gematria for JESUS
...From: Tues., Sept. 18, 2007 - a sign of "Pleiades" in ML's house
...To: Monday, February 22, 2010 - 2/22
...It is 888 days
...888 = the Greek gematria for JESUS
***21 Feb 10 Occultation of ZC 552 (Alcyone)
http://www.lunar-occultations.com/iota/pleiades/0221zc552.htm
NOW LOOK BELOW AT A NOTE FROM TONY ELLSWORTH THIS AM!!!
BLESSINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Calvin
In a note written to me after I sent him the post, The Super Bowl
(a SEMEION event??) and Pleiades!!!, Tony wrote:
Calvin, good stuff brother. I too look at the Pleiades and my father’s car when I was growing up was a Subaru. I am looking at the Superbowl and February 22nd. I had been out of the country in the military, mostly in the South Pacific. As a citizen, I obtained a passport and took a trip out of the country in February 2000 to Rome to see the Coliseum. I was there 7 days. By the 7th day I became ill to the point of where my breathing was nearly cut off. When I came back to the U.S. they marked my passport departure February 22nd. My passport is expired this year 2010. I’ve always looked at this date. I always have felt I was “thrown down” in Rome. Just after this, on my birthday May 5th 2000 was the planet alignment and the movie Gladiator which came out on May 5th. Remember Maximus was thrown down. A general who became a slave, a slave who became a gladiator, a gladiator who defied the emperor.
Anyway, all significant to me…
Blessings,
Tony
(I wrote back)
Tony:
This is VERY incredible - what you have written!!!!!!!!!
Maybe this IS it!!!!!!!!! Maybe it IS this month, at least!!!!!!!!
The post about 2:22 being seen "4" ("earth; door") years ago makes
a LOT of sense when you ALSO consider the STEEL GATE ("door")
CLOSING and the "Semeion" event mentioned by ML. Of course,
there were "4" years in the Fig Tree Parable (which, personally, I have
believed a LONG time has to do with America)!!!
Your "dates" are VERY incredible!!!!!!!! Of course, your birthday on
May 5, 2000 (the "555" marriage announcement date) coming JUST
AFTER your "near death" in Rome (home of the Gladiators) and the
opening of "The Gladiator" seems MOST prophetic NOW!!!
(7 Oct 2009)
"ML's Steel Gate FALLS!!! [Pleiades (10/7)]"
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2009/cw107.htm
Sherry Yarbrough (23 Feb 2006)
"Seeing 2:22 What is the meaning?"
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2006/sherryy223.htm
THANKS VERY MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Calvin
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Wednesday, February 3, 2010
False prophet "Pineman" - smooth sounding lies sound like the truth to those with no discernment
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False prophet "Pineman" has such smooth sounding lying doctrines that they sound like truth to those with little or no discernment. False prophet "Pineman" false doctrine is that "if we disobey the gospel, we are lost forever" and then goes on to define "the gospel" as that Messiah Yeshua (Jesus) died and atoned for our sins and rose again on the third day. Those who believe the demonic lie of once saved, always saved (OSAS) teach this doctrine. How can you "obey the gospel" when all it is is accepting "Jesus as Savior " (most people want a Savior from hell but refuse to accept Yeshua as LORD of their lives )
The truth is while we need to accept Yeshua as Savior (from hell), we also need to accept Him as LORD of our lives. Following someone as Lord demands OBEDIENCE. The term Messiah means (Lord + Savior) - it was separated into it's components of Lord and Savior by those who refuse to obey God as Yeshua commanded us to. Messiah Yeshua even stated He will reject those who claim to be His if they disobey God (and His Torah)
Matthew 7
KJV
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
NASB
21 Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
22 Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'
Iniquity means sin (disobeying God). Lawless means disobedience of God's instructions - Torah.
False prophet "Pineman" is correct in that "Disobedience means damnation" but he is incorrect when he claims it is "disobedience of the gospel" (which apparently means accepting Yeshua as Savior from hell) when Messiah Yeshua said He will only save those that obey God (His Torah)
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2010/pineman23.htm
Pineman (3 Feb 2010)
"Disobedience equals Damnation"
Dear John & Doves:
We are told that if we disobey the Gospel then we are lost forever. And what is that Gospel? The Gospel is that only Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross can save us from our sins – past, present and future. No human being, including ourselves, can accomplish that task.
As of today (Feb. 3, 2010) there are 60 days till First Fruits. One possible scenario for the ending of the Church age and the beginning of the Tribulation could very well begin April 4, 2010, which is First Fruits. Click here for the rest of the story.
Pineman
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False prophet "Pineman" has such smooth sounding lying doctrines that they sound like truth to those with little or no discernment. False prophet "Pineman" false doctrine is that "if we disobey the gospel, we are lost forever" and then goes on to define "the gospel" as that Messiah Yeshua (Jesus) died and atoned for our sins and rose again on the third day. Those who believe the demonic lie of once saved, always saved (OSAS) teach this doctrine. How can you "obey the gospel" when all it is is accepting "Jesus as Savior " (most people want a Savior from hell but refuse to accept Yeshua as LORD of their lives )
The truth is while we need to accept Yeshua as Savior (from hell), we also need to accept Him as LORD of our lives. Following someone as Lord demands OBEDIENCE. The term Messiah means (Lord + Savior) - it was separated into it's components of Lord and Savior by those who refuse to obey God as Yeshua commanded us to. Messiah Yeshua even stated He will reject those who claim to be His if they disobey God (and His Torah)
Matthew 7
KJV
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
NASB
21 Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
22 Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'
Iniquity means sin (disobeying God). Lawless means disobedience of God's instructions - Torah.
False prophet "Pineman" is correct in that "Disobedience means damnation" but he is incorrect when he claims it is "disobedience of the gospel" (which apparently means accepting Yeshua as Savior from hell) when Messiah Yeshua said He will only save those that obey God (His Torah)
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2010/pineman23.htm
Pineman (3 Feb 2010)
"Disobedience equals Damnation"
Dear John & Doves:
We are told that if we disobey the Gospel then we are lost forever. And what is that Gospel? The Gospel is that only Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross can save us from our sins – past, present and future. No human being, including ourselves, can accomplish that task.
As of today (Feb. 3, 2010) there are 60 days till First Fruits. One possible scenario for the ending of the Church age and the beginning of the Tribulation could very well begin April 4, 2010, which is First Fruits. Click here for the rest of the story.
Pineman
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satanist web sites now being promoted on five demons ("doves") web site
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I really cannot believe a web site that uses a demon (griffin) as an advertising logo is being promoted on five demons ("doves") web site - and the satanist has the nerve to say the griffin was a "christian symbol" in the past. griffins are demons and were used in the babylonian mystery religions.
http://books.google.com/books?id=pr8-i1iFnIQC&pg=PA100&lpg=PA100&dq=griffin+demon&source=bl&ots=325eVk1phr&sig=8uqSgRpnh_4krszG3Fbbq45vTg4&hl=en&ei=VdNpS4PkD4vasQPbvfmfBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CBoQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=griffin%20demon&f=false picture of a griffin demon
http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highlights/highlight_objects/me/i/griffin-headed_ivory_figure.aspx
I really cannot believe a web site that uses a demon (griffin) as an advertising logo is being promoted on five demons ("doves") web site - and the satanist has the nerve to say the griffin was a "christian symbol" in the past. griffins are demons and were used in the babylonian mystery religions.
http://books.google.com/books?id=pr8-i1iFnIQC&pg=PA100&lpg=PA100&dq=griffin+demon&source=bl&ots=325eVk1phr&sig=8uqSgRpnh_4krszG3Fbbq45vTg4&hl=en&ei=VdNpS4PkD4vasQPbvfmfBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CBoQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=griffin%20demon&f=false picture of a griffin demon
http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highlights/highlight_objects/me/i/griffin-headed_ivory_figure.aspx
Ivory carvings were widely used to decorate important pieces of furniture in
antiquity. This very fine example may have been part of a throne. Griffin-headed demons were protective deities, and would therefore have been appropriate as giving divine protection to the throne's occupant.
Why would a "christian" use a demon as a logo and then try and pass it off as a "christian symbol" ???
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2010/cam22.htm
Carol Ann Marshall (2 Feb 2010)
"new site for job seekers"
Hi John,
I've been a long time "reader" of the Five Doves site and often recommend it to my friends. With the current unemployment situation in the U.S., many are suffering now. Six months ago, I felt led to develop a website for jobseekers. My logo is a "griffin." With the head of an eagle and the body of a lion, the griffin was an early symbol of Christianity.
I'd like to let your readers know about our website. They can go to jobgriffin.com and create their own "My Griff" page, much like a Facebook page, and include a video resume, as well as appropriate photos, links to their social/professional networking sites, etc.
We will soon be introducing the site to employers and now is the time to sign up. It is a totally free service for jobseekers and we don't bother them with advertising, etc.
Thanks, John, and God bless your work!
Carol Ann Marshall
jobgriffin.com
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Yes, Carol, I remember you.
John
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Monday, February 1, 2010
False prophet Brenda Robinson LIES to bolster her false prophecies / propaganda
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False prophet Brenda Robinson is claiming Port-au-Prince, Haiti has not had an earthquake in its history (239 years) and is insinuating the earthquake was man made so that the united states can take over Haiti and its oil. (BTW - the earthquake on january 12, 2010 was not centered in Port au Prince either)
September 30 1908 port-au-prince ravaged by gale and earthquake
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=IAobAAAAIBAJ&sjid=wkgEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2117,5904711&dq=port-au-prince+earthquake&hl=en
Port au Prince Has Earth Tremor
$3.95 - New York Times - Mar 11,
1942
An earthquake lasting twelve seconds today cracked the walls of several
buildings here, but no casualties were reported.
Related web pages
January 23, 1945 Port au prince rocked
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=5VgbAAAAIBAJ&sjid=pEwEAAAAIBAJ&pg=1522,1212410&dq=port-au-prince+earthquake&hl=en
August 9, 1946 Planes rush ad to areas stricken by earthquake
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=HzUVAAAAIBAJ&sjid=hfUDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6430,1896618&dq=haiti+earthquake&hl=en
Many Killed in Haitian Quake
$3.95 - New York Times - Oct 29,
1952
PORT AU PRINCE, Haiti, Oct. 28 (UP) -Dispatches from the town of
Anse-a-Veau in ... today in the wake of an earthquake that shook the republic
last night. ...
Haiti Quake Deaths Reported - Hartford Courant - ProQuest
Archiver (Pay-Per-View)
6 DEAD, 50 HURT AS HOMES CRASH IN HAITI QUAKES -
Chicago Tribune - ProQuest Archiver (Pay-Per-View)
All 4 related - Related
web pages
May 29, 2004 Earthquake shakes flood-hit town
http://www.breakingnews.ie/archives/2004/0529/world/earthquake-shakes-flood-hit-town-149971.html
May 30, 2004 Earthquake adds to flooded Hispaniola's woes
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200405/s1118953.htm
So you can either believe false prophet Brenda Robinson'd LIES and propaganda / fear mongering or you can believe the historical data. The article she links to to "prove" her lies also states port au prince was due for the big one - and it also states port au prince had big ones in the past - yet that isn't what false prophet Brenda Robinso says
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2010/brendar21-6.htm
Brenda Robinson (1 Feb 2010)
"Oil in Haiti"
http://www.prevalhaiti.com/messages.php/14570
Haiti: Mining of Haiti’s Riches updated News 2009
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Did-mining-and-oil-drillin-by-Ezili-Danto-100123-329.html
Five oil/gas sites in Haiti
Excerpt:
Since the earthquake, I've had occasion to ponder, like many others, about what may have caused this heretofore-unknown natural disaster in Haiti? Was it a natural occurrence or man-made? Port-au-Prince, Haiti has not had an earthquake in 239 years. Why now? The nation of Haiti is only 206 years old, so Haitians in Port-au-Prince have no experience with earthquakes
whatsoever.
http://www.margueritelaurent.com/pressclips/oil_sites.html#shopping_in_Haiti
Oil in Haiti and Terminal for US Supertankers
Map showing some of Haiti's mining and mineral wealth, including five oil sites
in Haiti;Oil in Haiti by Dr. Georges Michel; Excerpt from the Dunn Plantation
paper; Haiti is full of oil, say Ginette and Daniel Mathurin; There is a multinational
conspiracy to illegally take the mineral resources of the Haitian people: Espaillat
Nanita revealed that in Haiti there are huge resources of gold and
other minerals, and Is UN proxy occupation of Haiti masking US
securing oil/gas reserves from Haiti?
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